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10/29/2006 07:45:48 PM · #1 |
I have the WPL and Side Comp. threads turned off, a recent thread could not be blocked and reading it is like watching the proverbial train wreck, fascinating and horrifying all at once.
...now this is just a simple observation, not directed at anyone in particular, so please don’t gang up on me....just a thought, a suggestion...
These teams and WPL, what have you, seem to be having a very polarizing effect on the DPC community. It is apparent many do not like the idea of them and there are others who fiercely defend the idea of them. I'm afraid this division/fracture will become so large it will ultimately end up hurting the community as a whole, it already has in some ways...lots of bad feelings floating around, more than usual I think.
Here's an idea...have a separate weekly challenge for those on teams/WPL only. Let those who do not wish to join a team/WPL have fun the old fashioned way before these groups formed with the usual weekly challenges. Let the teams compete against themselves...like a real tournament, within their own arena.
There are many many folks who want nothing to do with the entire team/WPL thing...these separate challenges would make a whole lotta people in the general DPC population really happy. Then, if anything is "tainted" via voting, previewing, outside webpages, etc...it will not effect the entire population...just the team challenge, and ya fight it out amongst yourselves if the crap hits the fan...a quarantine of sorts.
Ohâ€Â¦and like the basic editing challenges, of which there are two choices a weekâ€Â¦if you enter a team challenge, you cannot enter the general population challenge. Or, even have the exact same topic if that makes things simpler for D&Lâ€Â¦just keep the teams confined to their very own arena away from those who wish not to participate in an sort of way. Better yet, anyone who enters the designated team challenge CANNOT vote on the challengeâ€Â¦only the rest of us can.
Just a thought.
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10/29/2006 07:49:17 PM · #2 |
Hell WPL might as well make a seperate website and get everyone away from DPC. Would that make you happy. I think it just needs to be left how it is.
People just need to relax and remember we are not winning lots of money here.SC and Scott have taken care of the FEW people that violated DPC rules. So let it be.
Message edited by author 2006-10-29 20:25:14.
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10/29/2006 08:09:13 PM · #3 |
wow, there's one really level-headed response.
I'm actually in favor of a separate WPL site too - I think both suggestions have a lot of merit and should be considered.
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10/29/2006 08:14:25 PM · #4 |
Ahhh it looks like Scott is going to make a seprate site for this anyways. So I think it is pointless to discuss this further.
Quoted from antoher thread:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
When WPL goes to it's own domain name and server this will not be an issue because the code will be set up not allowing a team to vote on each others entries.
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Message edited by author 2006-10-29 20:16:16.
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10/29/2006 08:18:49 PM · #5 |
Why would this need to be moved to rant...I am merely making a suggestion.
My own personal happiness has nothing to do with it...I have simply observed a division within the site and am not sure how healthy it is.
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10/29/2006 08:27:19 PM · #6 |
I'm a bystander in the WPL thing - played the first season but didn't like the pressure of having to do well to support a team. Removing the banter and related threads to a different arena makes it possible for folks to turn off that side chatter, which is nice, and was a positive move on the part of the admin here.
With so many involved these days, I guess I can see how there's a "division" of sorts, but I really don't mind it - that's just my personal opinion/observation. Kinda like the Greeks and GDIs in college. I'd hate to see a lot of the folks in the WPL not participate in challenges here anymore, though.
Well. Let me think about that a minute... Hmmm. This has possibilities. That would be a lot fewer entries, right? Hmmm...
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10/29/2006 08:35:03 PM · #7 |
| It's a very sensible suggestion and probably will happen in light of recent events. However I can't help but think that if rules are followed appropriately, there's no reason why all forms of additional entertainment can't co-exist. I believe that more good natured and healthy activity can't help but make DPC a more interesting place... especially for those new potential members who visit the site for the first time and see how much is offered. All non participants of the WPL have their own reasons why they choose not to participate and each one is very valid but certainly I don't feel that the resentment is that great by the majority of non participants that warrants moving the activity off site. |
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10/29/2006 08:39:09 PM · #8 |
| I am with RKT on this one. I don't like what this WPL thing turned into, and think that it can have a negative effect on the site. However, I'm afraid that nothing can be done about it. |
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10/29/2006 09:04:45 PM · #9 |
| 95% of the WPL participants played fairly, and the other 5% were reprimanded. Everyone knows by now that we're watching, so there's probably little reason to worry about WPL as a negative impact. Even with a few bad apples revealed, it seems that most of the hand-wringing was just wild speculation and paranoia. The vast majority of DPCers understand the value of integrity on this site. |
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10/29/2006 09:12:49 PM · #10 |
| look at the people in WPL. do you really want all of those poeple to leave and /or stop participating in "general population challenges" I for one have learned much of what i know from those great photographers. |
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10/29/2006 09:18:06 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by rex:
Ahhh it looks like Scott is going to make a seprate site for this anyways. So I think it is pointless to discuss this further.
Quoted from antoher thread:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
When WPL goes to it's own domain name and server this will not be an issue because the code will be set up not allowing a team to vote on each others entries.
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I noticed that also and it makes me curious. For the record, I played in WPL 1, sat out WPL 2, and have signed up for WPL 3.
I'm curious because I wonder if what Scott is talking about would take DPChallenge out of the picture entirely? IMO that would be a bummer. Would he use the same challenge themes and mirror the DPC voting system/layout? Personally I like competing against everyone (meaning all DPC entries). It would lose something IMO to be competing against WPL entries only. Instead of having 200-400 entries the field would be limited to what, 168 entries tops? That's 24 teams (I think that's right) times 7 members each team. I like knowing that votes from the entire DPC community plays a factor in the final outcome.
As much fun as WPL is, I think if it's split out and doesn't include the DPC community, I'll have no desire to stay on a WPL team. Oh well, will be interesting to follow. It's a shame that a few bad apples can screw up something that I think added alot of addtional energy to DPC. |
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10/29/2006 09:28:15 PM · #12 |
This is my first time in WPL...but last season one of my mentors was in it, and to be honest I never thought much about it.
I just went on as if it didnt exist and did my own DPC thang.
Nothing to get my knickers in a knot about, I thought.
I don't know why it is an issue..I figure if peeps are the kind to vote with an agenda, rather then on the merit of a photo, they would do it whether they were in a WPL team, or not.
And most people here have Proven to be honest, anyway.
I wouldn't leave dpc for the WPL, either :)
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10/29/2006 09:37:25 PM · #13 |
| This is my first time in WPL...I treat it as a bit of fun. If it moved to a seperate server with independant voting from DPC I don't think I'd continue with it. For me it's just an added extra to DPC. |
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10/29/2006 10:55:27 PM · #14 |
The admins apparently like Side Challenges and Tournaments and are spending considerable resources to include, promote, encourage, manage and police them on the site. Sanctioned or not. Removing or isolating them might be detrimental for business. After all this is a contest site and evolution into multiple & and alternative side challenges might be viewed as an opportunity for expansion. It is likely voting violations might occur in the future as they have in the past regardless of the most recent travesty. I would agree with RKT that extrinsic challenges, especially the WPL are a distraction, & can provide an opportunity for foul play.
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10/30/2006 07:00:35 PM · #15 |
| A few hours, and less than one page? I'm surprised this thread fizzled out. That's not a bad thing I guess...I am curious as to how others feel about this subject. |
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