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 10/19/2006 02:38:29 PM · #101
So then is what he shows about Bokeh wrong? Is there somewhere else that would explain it better?
 10/19/2006 02:39:31 PM · #102
Didn't Ken Rockwell invent bokeh in the same way Al Gore invented the internet?
 10/19/2006 02:40:35 PM · #103
His site actually has an excellent explanation of bokeh -- its his personality people seem to take issue with.
10/19/2006 02:42:13 PM · #104
Originally posted by elwoodsplace:
So then is what he shows about Bokeh wrong? Is there somewhere else that would explain it better?


The article is good. It's a good explanation.
 10/19/2006 02:46:57 PM · #105
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Didn't Ken Rockwell invent bokeh in the same way Al Gore invented the internet?


I thought he invented photography.
 10/19/2006 03:09:28 PM · #106
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by biteme:
ken? what's wrong with him?


hmmm... not sure I wanna open THAT can of worms. But, let's just say that a LOT of people find him over-rated and arrogant.


yep
 10/19/2006 03:11:13 PM · #107
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Citadel:
Thats the information I was looking for. By the way I was just playing around with the camera for the first time and I was actually trying to achieve a shallow depth of field but I was trying to do it in automatic mode. (Darn automatic mode!).

Anyways, your comments give me some idea what I am going to have to do to score well on this challenge.


And here I was worried you'd throw rotten eggs at me :)

NEVER USE AUTOMATIC (or almost never). He, he, he, stick shift is so much more fun!


i agree. you will learn much more by forcing yourself to use the other modes. AV(someone help me with the nikon equivilent) is a good one to start in IMO. you choose the aperture and the camera chooses the shutter speed needed to expose properly.
 10/19/2006 03:21:02 PM · #108


I guess I can't enter pictures of my cat after the 30 days' exposure :)

I think bokeh ideally 'brings something to the picture'. In the given example the colour helps to make the cat appear white (which it is).

I like to think that there will be a sort of 'implied subject' in the background that also enhances the picture through context.

The DOF itself serves to separate the object from the background and to make it 'stand out', which may be why F-words and things that frequent them get a good showing.

As a rule - though no doubt asking to be broken - the bokeh should complement and not compete with the main subject and/or the image as a whole.

DPC winners will be surreally sharp, oversaturated foreground images against self-effacing background fuzz, with no ambiguity or reward to be garnered from second thought. Let's hope I'm wrong about that.
 10/19/2006 03:38:42 PM · #109
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by biteme:
ken? what's wrong with him?


hmmm... not sure I wanna open THAT can of worms. But, let's just say that a LOT of people find him over-rated and arrogant.


yep


But he has some useful information on his site. Lots of people have big egos. Ignore the ego and use the information.
 10/19/2006 03:39:28 PM · #110
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Citadel:
Thats the information I was looking for. By the way I was just playing around with the camera for the first time and I was actually trying to achieve a shallow depth of field but I was trying to do it in automatic mode. (Darn automatic mode!).

Anyways, your comments give me some idea what I am going to have to do to score well on this challenge.


And here I was worried you'd throw rotten eggs at me :)

NEVER USE AUTOMATIC (or almost never). He, he, he, stick shift is so much more fun!


i agree. you will learn much more by forcing yourself to use the other modes. AV(someone help me with the nikon equivilent) is a good one to start in IMO. you choose the aperture and the camera chooses the shutter speed needed to expose properly.


"A" or "Aperture Priority" in Nikon terms.
10/19/2006 03:40:23 PM · #111
What a fine school we have here, the incroud, the out cast, Cindi as principle and DrAchoo as a instructor, He would also be the one taking us on field trips, and most likely sending me to the principle for spankings. Me I am in the stoners club we hang out at the end of the playground. It takes us a little longer to grasp what all you guys are doing, who you love, who you hate. Occasionally one of us will put down the glass Dick and open our eyes, when this happens, He or she will bounce up above all you little people ( LOL ) and rule the photography Kingdom, of course at this point there will always be haters. :) LOL
 10/19/2006 03:44:19 PM · #112
Oh hell yeah! I get to give spankings! I'm guessing there will be a queue! lol
 10/19/2006 03:47:36 PM · #113
Originally posted by raish:


I guess I can't enter pictures of my cat after the 30 days' exposure :)

I think bokeh ideally 'brings something to the picture'. In the given example the colour helps to make the cat appear white (which it is).

I like to think that there will be a sort of 'implied subject' in the background that also enhances the picture through context.

The DOF itself serves to separate the object from the background and to make it 'stand out', which may be why F-words and things that frequent them get a good showing.

As a rule - though no doubt asking to be broken - the bokeh should complement and not compete with the main subject and/or the image as a whole.

DPC winners will be surreally sharp, oversaturated foreground images against self-effacing background fuzz, with no ambiguity or reward to be garnered from second thought. Let's hope I'm wrong about that.


If it's okay, I'd like to use this picture to ask my next question or two. So, putting aside a like or dislike of that Ken Rockwell guy (had never heard of him before today...only Rockwell I know of is Norman) let's discuss the bokeh of this photo. From what I read or interpreted, he would say that the bokeh in this picture is not that great because you can still see the strong lines of the window edges, etc. He says they should be very softened and essentially should blur out so that you cannot determine the edge of the object in the background. Also, from a good bokeh standpoint, the bokeh would be good because you Don't want little circles with fine edges in the background.

So, how do you (any DPC person) feel about that interpretation of bokeh in relation to this nice photo of the cat?

And, how do you feel DPC voters would vote on it solely in regards to the bokeh (basically do most Want Circles or Not want circles)?

Edit: actually there are two circles of light coming from the bottom left.

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 15:49:29.
 10/19/2006 03:56:48 PM · #114
I thing the bokeh is actually pretty decent in the cat picture. I also think that for a "bokeh" challenge, the image would not do all that well, because the cat commands so much more attention than the bokeh part of the image. In other words, the bokeh doesn't jump out at you, it's good for the photo, but it's rather mild.

It's good to remember that not every photo needs to have strong bokeh, but for the bokeh challenge, a photo would need to have strong bokeh as an integral part of the image (not by itself, but as part of the image) for the image to score well in the challenge.
 10/19/2006 04:10:59 PM · #115
Well - I didnt enter the last bokeh challenge. I did have a cat shot ready in the wings but decided that I stood a better chance in the 30 sec challenge - didnt want to make Falc mad with my pic of Hairball ;). But I am in this one. Hopefully it will fare better than my oxymoron entry. Fingers crossed that my bokeh is pleasing.
 10/19/2006 04:31:35 PM · #116
Originally posted by ursula:

It's good to remember that not every photo needs to have strong bokeh, but for the bokeh challenge, a photo would need to have strong bokeh as an integral part of the image (not by itself, but as part of the image) for the image to score well in the challenge.


Well stated Ursula.
10/19/2006 04:44:43 PM · #117
Okay, so good or bad bokeh? Was playing with Depth of Field about a week ago to see if I get the hang of it. No processing on this other than resize for web.



Brother would kill me if he knew I shot and posted that. lol.

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 16:46:30.
 10/19/2006 05:34:35 PM · #118
Well, I have a bunch of photos that have been giving me amazing bokeh. This one that I tried to enter in soft focus did really badly, but I originally chose it for the challenge because I loved the light play and especially the bokeh.
10/19/2006 10:24:44 PM · #119
Originally posted by dallasdux:
Okay, so good or bad bokeh? Was playing with Depth of Field about a week ago to see if I get the hang of it. No processing on this other than resize for web.



Brother would kill me if he knew I shot and posted that. lol.


Just a bump as I would like to see what a member or two think as far as the bokeh in this photo.

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 22:25:07.
 10/19/2006 10:31:52 PM · #120
Originally posted by dallasdux:
Originally posted by dallasdux:
Okay, so good or bad bokeh? Was playing with Depth of Field about a week ago to see if I get the hang of it. No processing on this other than resize for web.



Brother would kill me if he knew I shot and posted that. lol.


Just a bump as I would like to see what a member or two think as far as the bokeh in this photo.


yup, bokeh, even the little dotty kind.
10/20/2006 01:00:33 AM · #121
When I see this, I don't think particularly of bokeh, but notice more that the back of the head is overexposed. Just my opinion.

Speaking of bokeh, I was watching one of my fav. tv shows tonight and there was a shot where I said "HOLY SH*T! - That is awesome bokeh" and now I'm trying to figure out a way to replicate the scene. I doubt I will, but man, it would be totally awesome if I could.

Heh, Cindi - need a paddle for the spankings?? (or do you prefer your hand?) :~D
 10/20/2006 02:22:34 AM · #122
Originally posted by Jutilda:


Heh, Cindi - need a paddle for the spankings?? (or do you prefer your hand?) :~D


I offered her my whips....but she said no...
 10/20/2006 02:34:16 AM · #123

seen this guys work! wow amazing

bod



Message edited by ursula - large image - changed to link.
 10/20/2006 11:56:27 AM · #124
You may have better success submitting to this challenge if you think of it as a composition challenge rather than a bokeh one.

Taking a picture with bokeh is not the challenge. Taking one where the bokeh is a major element in the composition is. Just because you have bokeh does not mean you should automatically get a high score.

Therefore, when composing an image, use bokeh as a major supporting element to your main subject or, if you are REALLY good, make the bokeh itself the main subject.
10/22/2006 04:41:45 PM · #125
Originally posted by dallasdux:
Okay, so good or bad bokeh?


Like any garden variety soft focused background it has OK but nothing special bokeh.

The key phrase in the challenge statement is "... take a photograph whose subject is enhanced by the bokeh of the background". Though it is true your soft focused background helps the composition a little, it does not do so in a dramatic way. The bokeh is not strikingly apparent nor is it strongly connected to your main subject. Though there will probably be a lot of images like this entered they will be middle of the pack at best.
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