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Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

10/19/2006 12:36:29 PM · #26

YGTBSM.

here's another one from this thread...

you got to be ....... .......?

edit: now I know :D

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 12:37:02.

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

10/19/2006 12:37:06 PM · #27

Originally posted by biteme:

Originally posted by idnic:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Ooooh, test time?
MIL
MOB

I know, I know... pick me! lol

yeah pick her!

I have no idea ;)

Mother-in-Law
Mother Of The Bride

There are TONS of wedding acronyms.

Prof_Fate

10/19/2006 12:37:22 PM · #28

Mother In Law
Mother of the Bride

No probs for me.
Grandparents, particularly Grandma? Yep. Limited mobility so any plans you have for formals are shot to hell.

10/19/2006 12:56:55 PM · #29

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Many folks think like you Dave - I can do it, I know which end of a camera to look thru! And they fail to realize what they're really getting themselves into. Shooting a wedding is not the same as spending a day at the zoo.

Call it what you want to. I guarantee you that a bride and groom will be happier if I shot their wedding than if you did.

You run around calling yourself a pro but the last time I checked, you shot like maybe 8 weddings. You say you got rid of your 'amateur gear' but you're shooting with a 20d and a 30d, tamron and sigma glass. Go get a 5d. Get a 1dsmkII, get some canon glass, then you can say you got rid of your amateur gear.

I'm not trying to start something, but Chris, you go around preaching all the time...you should really take your own advice.

And as for how you got started...you assisted at maybe 3 weddings, at the most. Then you shot one for free on your own...and you were already calling yourself a pro at that point giving people wedding advice. To this day you're still asking for help on other photography forums about what you could have done in certain situations.

Like I said...I'm not trying to start something, but please don't ever make the assumption that I think a certain way and am not fully capable of shooting a wedding with great results.

Jason_Cross

Nikon D50

10/19/2006 12:57:59 PM · #30

Originally posted by ddpNikon:

What is the point...to talk people out of shooting weddings, Chris?

Everyone has to start somewhere, just like every professional in every field started somewhere. The answer for where to start certainly isn't a twenty thousand dollar school either. There are plenty of people who are great photographers who never stepped foot in a school after 12th grade.

I mean everything you say is true, but I just don't get why you want to talk people out of shooting a wedding if they get the opportunity. That's where you started, right? Why should they be talked out of the same opportunity you had?

Free market economy. Why pay for what you can get for free.

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Nikon

10/19/2006 01:01:25 PM · #31

I don't really like the tone this thread is getting.

cryan

Nikon D700

10/19/2006 01:01:53 PM · #32

Yeah, I'm starting to feel the same thing.

fotomann_forever

10/19/2006 01:02:18 PM · #33

Originally posted by idnic:

Mother-in-Law
Mother Of The Bride

There are TONS of wedding acronyms.

My answer was simpler and covered both :-)

10/19/2006 01:03:06 PM · #34

Originally posted by biteme:

I don't really like the tone this thread is getting.

So stop participating.

10/19/2006 01:05:36 PM · #35

Originally posted by ddpNikon:

Originally posted by biteme:
I don't really like the tone this thread is getting.

So stop participating.

why should I? maybe you could pick your words a bit more friendly :)

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

10/19/2006 01:08:39 PM · #36

Originally posted by biteme:

Originally posted by ddpNikon:

Originally posted by biteme:
I don't really like the tone this thread is getting.

So stop participating.

why should I? maybe you could pick your words a bit more friendly :)

If you don't like something, why participate?

Which words, exactly, would you like me to change?

Pixlmaker

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

10/19/2006 01:10:29 PM · #37

This thread has been a great read for me. I have never shot a wedding, and I highly doubt I ever will. But I've DJ'd a couple hundred of them over the past 12 years, and believe me, photography isn't the only area where a B&G will fail to see the value of good v.s. bad. I've lost wedding bookings to DJ's who were $50 cheaper than I am. For a 200 person wedding, that's $.25 per person. I don't let it bother me now, but I used to get really aggrevated by it. I'm sure tuxedo places, florists, limo companies, and every other wedding-related vendor would have a similar story to tell. It all comes down to what the B&G feels is important, and it is up to you to do your best to educate them on the areas where they don't have a clue. Another PITA is a bride or groom who thinks they can do a better job than you. This is MUCH more prevelant in music than in photography, as everyone has their own opinion on what is "good" music. But just because you have a huge selection of CDs at home doesn't mean you know the first thing about playing a wedding.
Bottom line--most things in weddings (as in life) are a lot harder than they look, and unless you've done it yourself, you have no idea. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I've met a LOT of wedding photographers over the years, and I have a huge amount of respect for what they do. It may be fun/rewarding/lucrative/etc, but it isn't easy.

Prof_Fate

10/19/2006 01:13:38 PM · #38

Originally posted by ddpNikon:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Many folks think like you Dave - I can do it, I know which end of a camera to look thru! And they fail to realize what they're really getting themselves into. Shooting a wedding is not the same as spending a day at the zoo.

Call it what you want to. I guarantee you that a bride and groom will be happier if I shot their wedding than if you did.

You run around calling yourself a pro but the last time I checked, you shot like maybe 8 weddings. You say you got rid of your 'amateur gear' but you're shooting with a 20d and a 30d, tamron and sigma glass. Go get a 5d. Get a 1dsmkII, get some canon glass, then you can say you got rid of your amateur gear.

I'm not trying to start something, but Chris, you go around preaching all the time...you should really take your own advice.

And as for how you got started...you assisted at maybe 3 weddings, at the most. Then you shot one for free on your own...and you were already calling yourself a pro at that point giving people wedding advice. To this day you're still asking for help on other photography forums about what you could have done in certain situations.

Like I said...I'm not trying to start something, but please don't ever make the assumption that I think a certain way and am not fully capable of shooting a wedding with great results.

Professional, n. Getting paid and acting in a professional manner.

You your self said one need not go to school and a hs dropout can be a great photographer, and now you'd taking jabs at me becuase, what/ I did't spend $20,000 on schooling?

I'm asking for help - guess what Dave, I don't know it all. I am wanting to learn, willing learn, and still learning. I can't teach what I don't know, but I can certainly pass on what I've learned to this point.

A 5D is a bad business choice for a wedding camera, IMO. It's twice the cost of a 30D for little real benefit. Same body and firmware and build quality. a 5D makes me no more money - no new products, no reduced workflow, just a reduced bank account and more backup space needed. It can make bigger prints but I don't need to make them.

Dave, sorry I've found a path I like and you haven't, you don't need to piss on my parade dude.

cryan

Nikon D700

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Nikon

10/19/2006 01:14:28 PM · #39

Attacking people in the forums is usually frowned upon. I understand you were trying to make a point but, your wording was a little strong. Try to keep it lighter next time. By the way, how many weddings have you shot ddpNikon?

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 13:15:21.

10/19/2006 01:14:47 PM · #40

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

hrmm...you just accused me of being a camera imbecile. I know which end of a camera to look through, so I automatically think that I can shoot a wedding.

That's not the case. I'm pointing out the fact that you're not Mr. Pro Photographer.

10/19/2006 01:16:51 PM · #41

Originally posted by cryan:

What one person thinks is an attack, another may not. I felt attacked when he made the comment that I know what end of the camera to look through, so I think I can shoot weddings.

If you read back through this thread, you will see exactly how many weddings I have shot. I've never claimed to be a professional wedding photographer or offered advice as if I was a professional wedding photographer. All I've done is made the statement that this amateur can shoot a better wedding than that amateur.

Oh...and don't tell me how to act. If you have a problem with something I've said, report it and let the proper authorities tell me to stop. Anyway, maybe you need to know Chris personally for this to make sense. I'm just saying...I've talked to a few people and a lot of people feel the same way about him that don't know him personally as I do.

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 13:18:34.

Prof_Fate

10/19/2006 01:17:44 PM · #42

Originally posted by Pixl Mastr WannaB:

Ahh, interesting! Thanks for adding that. I'd be one that would skimp on tuxes and perhaps the DJ. I know there's differences - the brides tell me sometimes what they liked or didn't (or pissed them off). I also get to interact with the DJs and some are great and some, well, can you wanna-be rockstar that "settled" for being a DJ? LOL My babysitter's son is an on-again off-again DJ. I have a friend that wants to get into it but can't afford the equipment - these days it's all digital so the work load (carrying) is less, but some now do videos so there's a whole new world there!

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Nikon

10/19/2006 01:17:47 PM · #43

Originally posted by ddpNikon:

If you don't like something, why participate?

Because I learned to open my mouth when I didn't like something

Originally posted by ddpNikon:

Which words, exactly, would you like me to change?

no need to change words, you might wanna change the way you're writing it. Right now it seems like a personal attack.. just my opinion.

cryan

Nikon D700

10/19/2006 01:18:00 PM · #44

Have you seen his wedding work? How do you know you are better? Maybe we all need to see some proof to this very bold statement.

fotomann_forever

10/19/2006 01:18:21 PM · #45

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

A 5D is a bad business choice for a wedding camera, IMO. It's twice the cost of a 30D for little real benefit. Same body and firmware and build quality. a 5D makes me no more money - no new products, no reduced workflow, just a reduced bank account and more backup space needed. It can make bigger prints but I don't need to make them.

I'd agree with that... 90% of wedding photo prints you could get by with a 2MP pixel camera. The 20D or 30D are more than enough to shoot quality wedding photos.

10/19/2006 01:19:33 PM · #46

Originally posted by cryan:

Have you seen his wedding work? How do you know you are better? Maybe we all need to see some proof to this very bold statement.

I've seen his work and I've seen mine. I know I'm better and that's all that matters. I have no desire to prove anything to any of you.

nico_blue

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

10/19/2006 01:19:34 PM · #47

I have people tell me all the time that I should shoot weddings, my biggest problem is just the general lack of experience. I may help shoot my friends wedding in a few months but i already told her that I would not be comfortable as the lead photographer. Anyone know how you get started at wedding photography?

10/19/2006 01:20:08 PM · #48

Originally posted by biteme:

Originally posted by ddpNikon:

If you don't like something, why participate?

Because I learned to open my mouth when I didn't like something

Originally posted by ddpNikon:
Which words, exactly, would you like me to change?

no need to change words, you might wanna change the way you're writing it. Right now it seems like a personal attack.. just my opinion.

How was it not a personal attack when he said that because I know what end of the camera to look through, I must know how to shoot a wedding?

Get it straight. I'm done with this thread. Have fun.

10/19/2006 01:20:13 PM · #49

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

A 5D is a bad business choice for a wedding camera, IMO. It's twice the cost of a 30D for little real benefit. Same body and firmware and build quality. a 5D makes me no more money - no new products, no reduced workflow, just a reduced bank account and more backup space needed. It can make bigger prints but I don't need to make them.

a man must compensate with SOMETHING! :P

sorry, bad joke :P