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10/09/2006 11:47:48 PM · #51

Sheez...I am glad I can't be recognised through my work...sheshesheshe!!

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

10/09/2006 11:49:44 PM · #52

Originally posted by Judi:

Sheez...I am glad I can't be recognised through my work...sheshesheshe!!

well maybe not through your work but I always recognize you through your....................... oh nevermind! ;P lol

scarbrd

Leica M10

10/09/2006 11:50:20 PM · #53

Originally posted by Judi:

Sheez...I am glad I can't be recognised through my work...sheshesheshe!!

Yeah, your work is really hard to pick out! ;-)

fotomann_forever

10/09/2006 11:51:29 PM · #54

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10/09/2006 11:53:25 PM · #55

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Judi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/10/2006 12:40:55 AM · #56

Sheez....just cause ya can all recognise me by my RED NAILS!!

But seriously...I recognise many entries. If anyone specifically tells me their entry...I ALWAYS tell them I will NOT be voting on it before they show me. If during a challenge I recognise an image, I will use my discretion. If I cannot vote fairly...then I will not vote on that image at all. With that in mind, there are some images I WILL NOT vote on...like Kita's.

I can't be fairer than that.

Message edited by author 2006-10-10 00:42:17.

graphicfunk

Canon EOS-20D

10/10/2006 01:32:44 AM · #57

My two cents here, since I am guilty of "overexposing" my mug.

Every image has to go through the entire laundry cycle. A lot happens in one week. You have the careless voters, the judicious voters and we can keep on going creating titles to suit the great diversity. I call all of these groups "blocks" There is also the troll block but it is a very small one.

So, if you have a block that is conscious of identity can you honestly believe that an inferior image will be elevated by all in this block? Very unlikely and it is, of course, followed with inspection by the other blocks.

This means that the image has to have some merit before the majority of the blocks can include it in their high vote. A bad image gets a beating because the consciencious block can not allow it to surface.

It matters little whose image it is. There is also the image response to the challenge and the current collective mood which fluctuates.

I spot many photographers by their style and if the image is good or great I voted to match the impact it has on me, but if the image is inferior or lacking visual strength I feel no obligation to kid myself or the photographer.

To sum it up: the "blocks" protect the integrity in over 90 percent of the entries. Sometimes an image has a special impact that steals the moment and it bubbles to the top despite superior entries. Other factors may predominate but it all depends on the collective total voters. Every image must go through the entire cycle. Good images go up and bad images go down.

Perhaps the most unfair competition are the free studies or any other challenge that swell to over 400 images. When they get to 600 is worse. A lot of people have other obligations and time is a big factor. Time is required and the 20percent scheme fails to compensate. If you do not vote on the entire challenge, the job can not be considered complete. The larger the entries per challenge get, the more unreliable is the the overall effect of the voting because less time is alloted. These challenges with so many images contain gem after gem which get pressed down if they lack the infamous "wow" factor. In short images that win elsewhere do not see the light of day in the free study. But since time spent on each image is so minute, the image must be an eye popper to surface into the top 5. Here we do not care whose image it is at all, we just want to get through the voting alive and we do the best within the constraints of time.

crayon

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

10/10/2006 02:12:12 AM · #58

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

Perhaps the most unfair competition are the free studies or any other challenge that swell to over 400 images. When they get to 600 is worse. A lot of people have other obligations and time is a big factor. Time is required and the 20percent scheme fails to compensate. If you do not vote on the entire challenge, the job can not be considered complete.

I second this - the overly large number of entries can make the 20% fail to compensate. No concrete evidence to support this, but anyone with basic Maths should be able to see the logic.

Qart

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/10/2006 02:12:24 AM · #59

I remember a while ago a similar thread being created. One of the posters suggested that he would be thrilled to think that he had a style that was recognizable and in the end, isn't that what we all strive for. I've looked at my more succesful images from time to time and wondered, how did I become so one dimensional? It takes a bit to realize that in fact what's displayed is a true representation of who we each are and no matter how hard we try to escape from the predictable, we'll always come home. I started taking shots for a while that were completely different from my normal approach. Guess what, I hated them and had very poor feedback and results. The fortunate photographer is the one who is comfortable in his skin and in the way he expresses him/herself no matter what his chosen style... good scores or bad. Yes there are some very recognizeable photographers here. Congratulations! You've achieved what so few have and so many hope to. In the end, when viewers have had enough, they'll let you know soon enough. In the mean time, ride the wave. That means you Dr. Achoo.

goc

Apple iPhone 4

10/10/2006 03:19:19 AM · #60

unrelated : i'm looking forward to the day when someone will try to copy one of my photos :-)

Judi

10/10/2006 03:20:24 AM · #61

Originally posted by gooc:

unrelated : i'm looking forward to the day when someone will try to copy one of my photos :-)

Maybe another tribute challenge is in order.

goc

Apple iPhone 4

10/10/2006 04:17:23 AM · #62

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by gooc:
unrelated : i'm looking forward to the day when someone will try to copy one of my photos :-)

Maybe another tribute challenge is in order.

yeah. will you please do one of mine ? :-)

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/10/2006 09:02:56 AM · #63

Originally posted by Qart:

The fortunate photographer is the one who is comfortable in his skin and in the way he expresses him/herself no matter what his chosen style...

That may be true of the photographer, but the artist is constantly shedding his skin.

10/10/2006 09:24:14 AM · #64

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Qart:
The fortunate photographer is the one who is comfortable in his skin and in the way he expresses him/herself no matter what his chosen style...

That may be true of the photographer, but the artist is constantly shedding his skin.

But even when you shed your skin the essense of who you are as an artist remanins and is always visible in your work. Sometimes completely different shots/ideas end up having the same feel due to the artist who shot them but by no fault of thier own.

10/10/2006 09:27:46 AM · #65

Originally posted by Judi:

agreed. I dont generally vote on those that I recognize. if i do I have to be 100% sure i'm giving the vote I'd have given if I didnt know who they were.

scalvert

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/10/2006 09:32:23 AM · #66

Originally posted by jaded_youth:

Sometimes completely different shots/ideas end up having the same feel due to the artist who shot them...

Sometimes I'll get a comment identifying the entry as mine- even though the image is completely different from anything I've done before and has no recognizable locations or models. Not much I can do about that! :-/

theSaj

Canon EOS-20D

10/10/2006 09:33:06 AM · #67

There are quite a few excellent photographers who have a signature style on DPC. That said, there is a great many more with a signature style who aren't so great...and go unrecognized. *lol*

In truth, some of the more recognizable on this site were Heida, Joey Lawrence, Scalvert, Graphicfunk. And although I'll correctly guess them on occasion there are many times I do not. Or do so incorrectly as others will emulate the style or have equal ingenuity.

That said, for me, (and sometimes I wonder if I am the only one) I just the photo by the photos merits (both technically, personally and in relation to the challenge).

- Saj

PS - Exception to the Sajian voting method: If you have a dog in your photo, unless it is a superb photo you are likely to lose a point. Cats will, unless an unusually poor photograph receive a bonus point.

This is because I am pro-Cat, anti-Dog.
Cats RULE!!!
Dogs drool!

;)

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/10/2006 09:33:34 AM · #68

Originally posted by jaded_youth:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Qart:
The fortunate photographer is the one who is comfortable in his skin and in the way he expresses him/herself no matter what his chosen style...

That may be true of the photographer, but the artist is constantly shedding his skin.

But even when you shed your skin the essense of who you are as an artist remanins and is always visible in your work. Sometimes completely different shots/ideas end up having the same feel due to the artist who shot them but by no fault of thier own.

There may very well be something recognizable about an artist, though the term to use (essence, voice, style) is hotly debatable. But the artist is not "comfortable".

theSaj

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/10/2006 09:34:45 AM · #69

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by jaded_youth:
Sometimes completely different shots/ideas end up having the same feel due to the artist who shot them...

Sometimes I'll get a comment identifying the entry as mine- even though the image is completely different from anything I've done before and has no recognizable locations or models. Not much I can do about that! :-/

That's just me, having hacked the system so I can view who entered the image.

;)

j/k

mrorange002

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

10/10/2006 09:51:35 AM · #70

I've personally felt pretty put off by the whole "team" thing. Like, are people on these teams sharing photos before a challenge? If they say they don't, how can you really know they aren't?

Just look at this link: 10 weeks of team winners

and this one: All teams playoffs?

Who's to say team members aren't showing other members of their teams their photos before or during voting to help boost the team scores?

Is this anonymous? Is this fair if it is happening?

Who knows if it's happening,

E

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

10/10/2006 09:58:30 AM · #71

Originally posted by mrorange002:

Just look at this link: 10 weeks of team winners

E

I'd have to say that a) all the folks on that page are pretty durn good on their own right, team or no team, and b) the shots that got those scores were pretty durn good, too.

I've no doubt that folks on teams are sharing their shots to get advice - "do I enter this one or that one?" - but I also believe they're voting fairly by either abstaining from voting on their teammates' shots, or doing their best to vote fairly. And I hardly think a maximum of six votes is going to boost an average shot to a ribbon-winner in any case. (I'm not on any team, by the way, other than Team Suck which doesn't play in the WPL and no amount of swayed votes will help my images achieve anything other than mediocrity.)

Message edited by author 2006-10-10 10:03:53.

scalvert

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/10/2006 10:01:17 AM · #72

Originally posted by mrorange002:

Who's to say team members aren't showing other members of their teams their photos before or during voting to help boost the team scores?

I don't think they are. For one thing, several teams have current or former SC members on them, and ya' gotta believe at least some people would have the integrity to report such abuses. Nevertheless, I think Langdon is planning to check it out to make sure. :-)

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

10/10/2006 10:01:43 AM · #73

I can't speak for the other teams, but TEAM OUTCASTS (my former team) has been around from the beginning and we never shared our images with each other. Or at least, I never shared mine with other team members and none of them shared theirs with me. I'd like to assume this holds true for the other teams as well.

R.

scalvert