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10/09/2006 06:35:41 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
i saw that the images on all profiles changed to two across. I edited my post to delete that statement. That observation was my mistake. I have 3 images across selected in my preferences but I'm only able to see 2 images. I have checked another browser. It must be an issue with the DPC system. |
You should up that number in your preferences to as many as you can get with the page fitting on your screen. It may give you a more varied impression of people's work.
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10/09/2006 06:37:33 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
on the other thing you can't tell me with a straight face that graphicfunk is not good. he got his socres on his own merits as do most that are recognized. many of the same people ribbon because they take shots that the voters like. |
I believe i said that Graphicfunk was not obvious and his images did not reflect the point I was trying to make. I think graphicfunks images are original despite the limitations he is working with. He made changes through costume, angle, partially obscurring his face to minimize identifying his images as his. I'm talking about photos that are obviously similar.
I believe that some voters find it hard to be completely objective if they know who the photographer is....especially if that photograher is popular on DPC. If anonymity is not important and everyone votes only on the quality of the image then why make the voting system for these challenges anonymous. |
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10/09/2006 06:41:15 PM · #28 |
It is saddening that we remain fixated on such inconsequential issues as anonymity. The cream rises to the top and sour milk sinks to the bottom regardless whether we know which cow it came from or not.
Message edited by author 2006-10-09 18:41:33.
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10/09/2006 06:42:36 PM · #29 |
When I think about "signature" pics, the first one that comes to my mind is Joey Lawrence. But often I think that I spotted one of his picture and most of the time I'm wrong.
Another one that is normally easily recognized is Dr. Jones, mostly because of his muse as he likes to call his beautiful model. And this is not new. Dr. Jones was a lot more active a few years ago.
For the two Cannon Beach shot that we saw recently. I was sure that they were from Zoomdak, I was wrong again.
BTW, great pics DrAchoo.
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10/09/2006 06:46:41 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
on the other thing you can't tell me with a straight face that graphicfunk is not good. he got his socres on his own merits as do most that are recognized. many of the same people ribbon because they take shots that the voters like. |
I believe i said that Graphicfunk was not obvious and his images did not reflect the point I was trying to make. I think graphicfunks images are original despite the limitations he is working with. He made changes through costume, angle, partially obscurring his face to minimize identifying his images as his. I'm talking about photos that are obviously similar.
I believe that some voters find it hard to be completely objective if they know who the photographer is....especially if that photograher is popular on DPC. If anonymity is not important and everyone votes only on the quality of the image then why make the voting system for these challenges anonymous. |
I understand that you were realy talking about DRAchoo but you said in your first post that someone's "brand" could give them away and I think that graphicfunks shots had his brand. Joey lawrence and Kiwiness along with the people Artyste mentioned all ahve a brand. there are many other but there are alot of people that are recognizable but what do you sugest si done? have them stop submiting? I would venture that as many bad votes are given to those that are recognized as good votes.
also don't forget that many people try to copy someone else's style in an effort to learn and are mistaken by voters. and guess what if I had a shot that was in the 7's and I had another similar shot I would put it in the free study too:)
Message edited by author 2006-10-09 18:47:25. |
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10/09/2006 06:47:00 PM · #31 |
Can't we just enjoy photographing for challenges, voting and being in awe about other members' work and try to stay as objective as possible?
This site is not a political election, it's a fun photo-challenge... |
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10/09/2006 06:57:19 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by biteme:
Can't we just enjoy photographing for challenges, voting and being in awe about other members' work and try to stay as objective as possible?
This site is not a political election, it's a fun photo-challenge... |
I could not have said it better... In fact, I didn't. LOL!
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10/09/2006 06:58:28 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by seenosun:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
on the other thing you can't tell me with a straight face that graphicfunk is not good. he got his socres on his own merits as do most that are recognized. many of the same people ribbon because they take shots that the voters like. |
I believe i said that Graphicfunk was not obvious and his images did not reflect the point I was trying to make. I think graphicfunks images are original despite the limitations he is working with. He made changes through costume, angle, partially obscurring his face to minimize identifying his images as his. I'm talking about photos that are obviously similar.
I believe that some voters find it hard to be completely objective if they know who the photographer is....especially if that photograher is popular on DPC. If anonymity is not important and everyone votes only on the quality of the image then why make the voting system for these challenges anonymous. |
I understand that you were realy talking about DRAchoo but you said in your first post that someone's "brand" could give them away and I think that graphicfunks shots had his brand. Joey lawrence and Kiwiness along with the people Artyste mentioned all ahve a brand. there are many other but there are alot of people that are recognizable but what do you sugest si done? have them stop submiting? I would venture that as many bad votes are given to those that are recognized as good votes.
also don't forget that many people try to copy someone else's style in an effort to learn and are mistaken by voters. and guess what if I had a shot that was in the 7's and I had another similar shot I would put it in the free study too:) |
I was NOT specifically refering to DrAchoo.
In my original Post I stated that there was one ribbon winner in EACH challenge category on the front page that prompted this thread. I didn't name any names as it was not my intention to attack any photographer or their work.
The reason I raise the question was because I saw a loophole that might influence the objectivity of some voters. I believe the voting system is anonymous by design to allow the work to stand on it's on merit and to minimize DPC Challenges from turning into a popularity contest. It's a question of fairness.
To those that feel anonymity is not important or inconsequential then my question remains...
Why is the current voting system anonymous? Let just get rid of the anonymous voting system and make DPC Challenges a popularity contest.
edit: spelling
Message edited by author 2006-10-09 19:05:03. |
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10/09/2006 06:59:29 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by biteme:
Can't we just enjoy photographing for challenges, voting and being in awe about other members' work and try to stay as objective as possible?
This site is not a political election, it's a fun photo-challenge... |
I could not have said it better... In fact, I didn't. LOL! |
well you said it in a more beautiful way with expensive words, right? ;-) |
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10/09/2006 07:05:14 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by pineapple:
A sort of related question: what do site council members with their extra coded privileges on the site see that mere members cannot see - especially during voting periods? Curiosity has begged me to ask this questions for many months and I have said nothing until now. |
We can, if we need to, find out whose picture an entry is. We don't automatically know that, but for various reasons, if it becomes necessary, we have the ability to check if a photographer has entries to one or more current challenges, and also check what the entry is.
We also often find out which picture belongs to which photographer because of all the validation requests that come in. Not all validation requests go on to the validation process, only some of them do.
We are not able to see score totals or averages or anything like that during voting.
We also are not able to see votes cast by users, that is, we don't know what score a user gives to an entry. Only langdon can see that.
Otherwise (I think) our voting screens are pretty much like yours.
Hope this explains it a bit. |
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10/09/2006 07:05:57 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
The cream rises to the top and sour milk sinks to the bottom regardless whether we know which cow it came from or not. |
Well put. Even the popular photographers get a low score once in a while doing what they do best. Are they generally scoring high because they're popular or are they popular because they generally score high? Everyone starts as an unknown anyway, so consistently appealing entries are the only true route to success here. |
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10/09/2006 07:20:19 PM · #37 |
| Ursula - thanks for the info. |
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10/09/2006 07:40:28 PM · #38 |
I just read through the thread and can identify with everyone's point of view. They are all valid. I can imagine that this issue can be (and will be) discussed for quite awhile. All I have to ask before I label this issue a conundrum(sp?) and move on is; does anyone have a solution?
All this aside, I would like to urge everyone to recognize that while it may be possible to identify the photographer, we should all vote honestly and consider only the image. The challenges are about the images we create, not about who creates them.
There, I said my piece. |
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10/09/2006 09:17:50 PM · #39 |
| Its the same reason that super star football players get less penalties. Once you are famous enough that people recognize your stuff you probably will benifit a little bit. Doesn't mean that they don't deserve it however. You are a super star because you are super good. |
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10/09/2006 09:27:40 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by pineapple:
A sort of related question: what do site council members with their extra coded privileges on the site see that mere members cannot see - especially during voting periods? Curiosity has begged me to ask this questions for many months and I have said nothing until now. |
We can, if we need to, find out whose picture an entry is. We don't automatically know that, but for various reasons, if it becomes necessary, we have the ability to check if a photographer has entries to one or more current challenges, and also check what the entry is.
We also often find out which picture belongs to which photographer because of all the validation requests that come in. Not all validation requests go on to the validation process, only some of them do.
We are not able to see score totals or averages or anything like that during voting.
We also are not able to see votes cast by users, that is, we don't know what score a user gives to an entry. Only langdon can see that.
Otherwise (I think) our voting screens are pretty much like yours.
Hope this explains it a bit. |
I'll also point out that while we can see extra "info," we have to go way out of our ways to do it (read: a bunch of clicks), so it is not something we do just for fun. It is not information that just pops up on our screen. As some of our "super powers" became available, we all felt it necessary to keep anonymity as much as humanly possible.
Also concerning validation -- a lot of times I won't vote on dq's until I've voted on a challenge, or I will skip pictures that come in for validation. |
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10/09/2006 09:54:44 PM · #41 |
I pretty much never agree with the ribbons. Even the ones I like are not in my top 3. But I don't think popularity is the main factor. The big ribbon winners learn how to cater to DPC taste and then repeat themselves ad infinitum. Not very exciting, but completely legitimate.
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10/09/2006 10:32:48 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I pretty much never agree with the ribbons. Even the ones I like are not in my top 3. But I don't think popularity is the main factor. The big ribbon winners learn how to cater to DPC taste and then repeat themselves ad infinitum. Not very exciting, but completely legitimate. |
And then some of us get "identified" with a certain look/location/whatever not because we never shoot anything else but because those are the things/places/whatever where we do best. I'm the "landscape guy", with an emphasis on hyped-up sunsets and sunrises and a minor in skiffs. These things are all around me and they're what I like to shoot. They are what I shoot in "real life".
For DPC I vary the mix quite a bit, but nobody much remembers those shots because they don't score especially well. Check out my challenge entries sometime and see what I mean.
Robt. |
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10/09/2006 10:48:10 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I pretty much never agree with the ribbons. Even the ones I like are not in my top 3. But I don't think popularity is the main factor. The big ribbon winners learn how to cater to DPC taste and then repeat themselves ad infinitum. Not very exciting, but completely legitimate. |
On the other hand the photographers/shots you vote high probably just suck...:) |
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10/09/2006 11:04:40 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by bucket:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I pretty much never agree with the ribbons. Even the ones I like are not in my top 3. But I don't think popularity is the main factor. The big ribbon winners learn how to cater to DPC taste and then repeat themselves ad infinitum. Not very exciting, but completely legitimate. |
On the other hand the photographers/shots you vote high probably just suck...:) |
Don't burst my bubble. He likes some of mine. :-) |
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10/09/2006 11:21:15 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
And then some of us get "identified" with a certain look/location/whatever not because we never shoot anything else but because those are the things/places/whatever where we do best. I'm the "landscape guy", with an emphasis on hyped-up sunsets and sunrises and a minor in skiffs. These things are all around me and they're what I like to shoot. They are what I shoot in "real life". |
I can slowly identity Robert's landscapes now - yes, they are that good! |
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10/09/2006 11:30:26 PM · #46 |
lucky fo seenosun, I just realized that I have no trend in my entry photos at all...sigh, I'm so unorganized :P
Message edited by author 2006-10-09 23:30:32. |
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10/09/2006 11:32:33 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
lucky fo seenosun, I just realized that I have no trend in my entry photos at all...sigh, I'm so unorganized :P |
ummm from experience, I can tell you that it could be a good thing to be unrecognized...lol
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10/09/2006 11:32:44 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by bucket:
On the other hand the photographers/shots you vote high probably just suck...:) |
Don't burst my bubble. He likes some of mine. :-) |
Don't take him seriously, Deb. I also vote high on his photos, and he knows it. :)
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10/09/2006 11:36:35 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by bucket:
On the other hand the photographers/shots you vote high probably just suck...:) |
Don't burst my bubble. He likes some of mine. :-) |
Don't take him seriously, Deb. I also vote high on his photos, and he knows it. :) |
and given what fotoman forever has suggested on another thread...you really don't need to take me seriously...
conspiracy thickens... |
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10/09/2006 11:45:27 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by bucket:
On the other hand the photographers/shots you vote high probably just suck...:) |
Don't burst my bubble. He likes some of mine. :-) |
Don't take him seriously, Deb. I also vote high on his photos, and he knows it. :) |
But he's actually good! |
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