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10/05/2006 08:05:23 PM · #1 |
I know I'm gonna get blasted here ... LOL, but how about a Free Study under Basci Rules just to see what happens. Still Members Only.
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10/05/2006 08:06:16 PM · #2 |
Leroy you know there going to cheat and use other stuff its what they do *Looks around and runs off to hide*
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10/05/2006 08:09:20 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Leroy you know there going to cheat and use other stuff its what they do *Looks around and runs off to hide* |
LOL, let 'em cheat. The more DQs there are the higher I go... LOL
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10/05/2006 08:10:03 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Leroy you know there going to cheat and use other stuff its what they do *Looks around and runs off to hide* |
LOL, let 'em cheat. The more DQs there are the higher I go... LOL |
LOL But you know what I am talking about *Looks around shifty eyed*
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10/05/2006 08:35:13 PM · #5 |
I like the basic editing idea but not for Member challenges. Why not make it an open challenge? Btw Amy, I know exactly what you're talking about. Now I must go...
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10/05/2006 09:02:59 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I like the basic editing idea but not for Member challenges. Why not make it an open challenge? Btw Amy, I know exactly what you're talking about. Now I must go... |
Nah, dont like that idea - I paid to be a member so I could take part in the Free Challenges (oh, and the small matter of a portfolio but lets just ignore that matter for the sake of making a point) and I think it would cheapen the value of the membership. And an open free challenge would also have 1500+ entries and who is going to want to vote on 300 photos just to get to 20%.
But I do like the idea of a basic editing open challenge - however looking at my voting pattern for the current challenge I reckon 80% of my 8&9 votes would probably be basic editing anyway.
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10/06/2006 02:11:35 AM · #7 |
| Basic rules free study gets my vote, mainly because I'm no good at editing. |
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10/06/2006 03:02:13 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by mist:
Basic rules free study gets my vote, mainly because I'm no good at editing. |
This is a complete fallacy. Basic-editing challenges do NOT somehow level the playing field for those who lack fundamental skills in PP. To the contrary, basic editing IMO favors those who are really good at Photoshop, because they can work within the basic rules and still make their images sing. The vast majority of the work that gets done in advanced editing challenges would still be attainable in basic editing, with the noticeable exception that you can't burn or dodge local areas, so you have to work harder at setting up a shot that doesn't NEED those things.
But for the most part what's done easily in advanced editing with certain tools, filters, and layer-blending options can be simulated if not equaled in basic by much more laborious (and skilled) processes.
I can only speak for myself here, but I rarely clone out anything (for example) and when I do, it's not usually critical to the success of the image but simply a matter of perfecting details. I use a lot of contrast-masking layer work, but this can be closely approximated with really careful curves adjustment layers, and those who use CS2 have the shadow/highlight adjustment, which is nearly the same thing and is full automated. Dust cloning is nice, but I almost never need to do it now that I've learned to clean my sensor properly. The main thing I'd miss is the ability to apply gradients to sky and foreground, but they are not necessary to most images anyway.
MY opinion, for what it's worth...
R. |
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10/06/2006 03:33:51 AM · #9 |
| I'd be all in favor of every single challenge being basic, with one exception...the ability to remove dust bunnies. |
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10/06/2006 03:42:37 AM · #10 |
I support what Robert said. The Basic rule set actually makes it harder, not easier. But, challenges are good :-)
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10/06/2006 04:54:39 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is a complete fallacy. Basic-editing challenges do NOT somehow level the playing field for those who lack fundamental skills in PP. To the contrary, basic editing IMO favors those who are really good at Photoshop, because they can work within the basic rules and still make their images sing. |
Good point.
It would still be interesting though. |
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10/06/2006 04:55:02 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by mist:
Basic rules free study gets my vote, mainly because I'm no good at editing. |
This is a complete fallacy. Basic-editing challenges do NOT somehow level the playing field for those who lack fundamental skills in PP. To the contrary, basic editing IMO favors those who are really good at Photoshop, because they can work within the basic rules and still make their images sing. The vast majority of the work that gets done in advanced editing challenges would still be attainable in basic editing, with the noticeable exception that you can't burn or dodge local areas, so you have to work harder at setting up a shot that doesn't NEED those things.
But for the most part what's done easily in advanced editing with certain tools, filters, and layer-blending options can be simulated if not equaled in basic by much more laborious (and skilled) processes.
I can only speak for myself here, but I rarely clone out anything (for example) and when I do, it's not usually critical to the success of the image but simply a matter of perfecting details. I use a lot of contrast-masking layer work, but this can be closely approximated with really careful curves adjustment layers, and those who use CS2 have the shadow/highlight adjustment, which is nearly the same thing and is full automated. Dust cloning is nice, but I almost never need to do it now that I've learned to clean my sensor properly. The main thing I'd miss is the ability to apply gradients to sky and foreground, but they are not necessary to most images anyway.
MY opinion, for what it's worth...
R. |
This is just about the most sense I've seen written on this subject for a long time. I can make just about any image better in photoshop. I can do it the easy way using so called 'advanced' techniques, or I can spend sveral hours achieving a similar result using 'basic' techniques.
Note the word 'techniques', this is the important thing here. Stacking or combining a number of basic techniques can usually replicate most advanced techniques. Of course to do this you have to deeply understand the basic PS toolset, know how the tools and techniques inter-relate.
Basic edit rules simply mean its harder, and as Robert points out is a disadvantage to novice PS users.
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