Sooooo Pissed...30 seconds late!!!!! vote now!

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

10/04/2006 12:22:03 AM · #1

sorry judi, I wasn't aware of that 'frowning' rule.

Message edited by author 2006-10-04 01:16:34.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/04/2006 12:23:25 AM · #2

It is frowned upon to show or discuss publicly, images that were meant for a challenge until after voting. Please remove it from the thread.

Message edited by author 2006-10-04 00:23:59.

theSaj

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/04/2006 01:01:56 AM · #3

I never really understood this issue. *shrug*

If all entries are made, I don't think it makes much difference. Everyone gets their feathers fluffed up. Supposedly it's because it might make us vote differently. Um...with tons of photos I don't think it's too likely to cause much affect or make a big deal.

But it seems others feel it's a deal.

*shrug*

I think it silly!!!!!!

love

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

10/04/2006 01:03:44 AM · #4

yawn

10/04/2006 01:15:23 AM · #5

Originally posted by theSaj:

well, if you disagree with judi, you can see it on my profile...she just startled me, that's all. Vote and comment if you wish, but I understand if you don't want to.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

10/04/2006 01:19:42 AM · #6

It's a nonsensical "rule". An outtake by definition means you are displayin something other than the one you entered (which you said you didn't). By the same logic there would be a ban this week on posting any beer, soft drinks, or high contrast photos at all. for that matter, with a free study going, all photo posts should be stopped until voting ends for fear of swaying the vote.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/04/2006 01:20:05 AM · #7

Originally posted by Blue Moon:

well, if you disagree with judi, you can see it on my profile...she just startled me, that's all. Vote and comment if you wish, but I understand if you don't want to.

I did not make the rule...but it has been in force for quite some time now. I was just letting you know. Maybe I should have reported it instead. Then it wouldn't be seen as MY decision.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/04/2006 01:24:28 AM · #8

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by Blue Moon:

well, if you disagree with judi, you can see it on my profile...she just startled me, that's all. Vote and comment if you wish, but I understand if you don't want to.

I did not make the rule...but it has been in force for quite some time now. I was just letting you know. Maybe I should have reported it instead. Then it wouldn't be seen as MY decision.

ouch judi, don't be mad at me. I realize that you were quoting something and I did take it down from the thread, but there is no rule stating that I can't have it in my profile. Besides, it doesn't say that the photograph will be banned or the photographer will be punished. It simply says that it is frowned upon. I still like you though, so don't be mad at me :(

edited spelling

Message edited by author 2006-10-04 01:25:33.

theSaj

Canon EOS-20D

10/04/2006 01:25:16 AM · #9

I have only seen the issue recently. Sure, there was a rule about posting related outtakes during a challenge because that gives you away which could affect voting.

However, posting an outtake which you considered entering but didn't. Does not pose much issue.

I did this for the Abstract Macro. And got rebuked for it. I walked away thinking it's the dumbest rule.

From now on, if I take an unrelated photo or I do not enter. And all submissions are in. I will post it if I so choose. They could lock the threads. But I'll point out if they're doing such it should be codified as a rule.

*shrug*

But then, I am never one for rules I think silly.

10/04/2006 01:26:54 AM · #10

Originally posted by Judi:

I did not make the rule...but it has been in force for quite some time now. I was just letting you know. Maybe I should have reported it instead. Then it wouldn't be seen as MY decision.

That's actually the best way to do it, and the recommended procedure to boot. That way there's no misunderstandings :-)

And to routerguy and saj, the thinking is that even if *I* didn't submit anything like my outtake, someone else easily might have. There have been cases where exhaustive discussion of outtakes took place during voting that some felt influenced the voting on similar images. For example, if I posted an outtake of a flower against a black background, and the consensus of the commenters was that flowers-on-black was overdone to the point of clichÃ©, then this definitely has the potential of causing a few people to look at any actual flower-on-black entries differently than they might have.

I think it's a perfectly sensible rule, actually.

Robt.

10/04/2006 01:27:53 AM · #11

I agree with you SAJ, and it is no longer in this actual thread, so 'legally' I don't think they can do anything.

10/04/2006 01:29:44 AM · #12

this is not an outtake photo because I never entered it (or anything), I only intended to enter it, so there should be no debate over this.

10/04/2006 01:30:26 AM · #13

There's been a thread going about how nude photos are merely crude attempts at pandering for scores by offering cheap thrills. There was a nude in the Purple challenge at the time. Why wasn't the thread killed? Someone might have been persuaded into thinking the high vote they gave that nude was 'tricked' out of them as was being suggested in the thread by some people and gone back and stiffed that photo as a result.

I don't buy it. Influences on taste extend far beyond the boundries of DPC and they do not get put on hold during challenge voting periods. It's a silly rule or guideline or whatever it is.

Message edited by author 2006-10-04 01:31:01.

10/04/2006 01:38:06 AM · #14

Originally posted by Blue Moon:

this is not an outtake photo because I never entered it (or anything), I only intended to enter it, so there should be no debate over this.

That falls under the definition of what the site considers "outtakes". Anything you post up saying "I didn't enter this (for whatever reason) but if I had, how would you have scored it?" obviously is running in parallel with the actual voting unless posting of it is delayed until after the voting is done.

R.

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

10/04/2006 01:40:10 AM · #15

Originally posted by routerguy666:

I don't buy it. Influences on taste extend far beyond the boundries of DPC and they do not get put on hold during challenge voting periods. It's a silly rule or guideline or whatever it is.

The line is pretty clearly drawn though; you can post pretty much whatever you want as long as you don't call it an outtake, ask people how they would have scored it, or basically link it to a current challenge in any way. I don't see where this is giving away very much at all.

R.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/04/2006 01:46:57 AM · #16

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Judi:

I did not make the rule...but it has been in force for quite some time now. I was just letting you know. Maybe I should have reported it instead. Then it wouldn't be seen as MY decision.

That's actually the best way to do it, and the recommended procedure to boot. That way there's no misunderstandings :-)

And to routerguy and saj, the thinking is that even if *I* didn't submit anything like my outtake, someone else easily might have. There have been cases where exhaustive discussion of outtakes took place during voting that some felt influenced the voting on similar images. For example, if I posted an outtake of a flower against a black background, and the consensus of the commenters was that flowers-on-black was overdone to the point of clichÃ©, then this definitely has the potential of causing a few people to look at any actual flower-on-black entries differently than they might have.

I think it's a perfectly sensible rule, actually.

Robt.

But if people thought a flower on a black background was cliche wouldn't they still think that even if it wasn't discussed openly or are you saying it will convert people reading the discussion and people will vote down a photo because what they read in a thread?

Message edited by author 2006-10-04 01:47:50.

10/04/2006 01:47:01 AM · #17

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by routerguy666:
I don't buy it. Influences on taste extend far beyond the boundries of DPC and they do not get put on hold during challenge voting periods. It's a silly rule or guideline or whatever it is.

The line is pretty clearly drawn though; you can post pretty much whatever you want as long as you don't call it an outtake, ask people how they would have scored it, or basically link it to a current challenge in any way. I don't see where this is giving away very much at all.

R.

This is my point, I NEVER called it an outtake. Let me be clear: THIS IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT AN OUTTAKE!

here is the definition of an outtake: a segment of film or videotape edited out of the final version, as because of a technical error.

Since there was no final version, this image is not an outtake. Everyone needs to get their panties unwrapped and comment on my non-outtake pic, lol.

10/04/2006 01:51:47 AM · #18

Originally posted by Blue Moon:

here is the definition of an outtake: a segment of film or videotape edited out of the final version, as because of a technical error.

Since there was no final version, this image is not an outtake. Everyone needs to get their panties unwrapped and comment on my non-outtake pic, lol.

Nontheless, here it is considered an outtake.

Have you visited the Rant forum yet? hheheh

10/04/2006 01:52:43 AM · #19

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by Blue Moon:

here is the definition of an outtake: a segment of film or videotape edited out of the final version, as because of a technical error.

Since there was no final version, this image is not an outtake. Everyone needs to get their panties unwrapped and comment on my non-outtake pic, lol.

Nontheless, here it is considered an outtake.

Have you visited the Rant forum yet? hheheh

AHH! I thought you were on my side!?!? ...and no i'll have to visit it soon. :)

Message edited by author 2006-10-04 01:52:53.

crayon

10/04/2006 01:55:27 AM · #20

Originally posted by Blue Moon:

This is my point, I NEVER called it an outtake. Let me be clear: THIS IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT AN OUTTAKE!

Please refrain from misleading others into thinking it is, then.
Key points:
1. you posted this in the "current challenge" section
2. you named this thread "Sooooo Pissed...30 seconds late!!!!! vote now!"

10/04/2006 01:55:43 AM · #21

Originally posted by Blue Moon:

AHH! I thought you were on my side!?!? ...and no i'll have to visit it soon. :)

I am on your side. The rule doesn't make any sense and has no merit whatsoever. However, neither you nor I are in power. Therefore if someone tells us the sky is yellow, we admire what a lovely shade of yellow it is for fear of finding ourselves up against the wall.

10/04/2006 01:57:23 AM · #22

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Blue Moon:
This is my point, I NEVER called it an outtake. Let me be clear: THIS IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT AN OUTTAKE!

Please refrain from misleading others into thinking it is, then.
Key points:
1. you posted this in the "current challenge" section
2. you named this thread "Sooooo Pissed...30 seconds late!!!!! vote now!"

LOL, sorry, but that's why I was clarifying it.

10/04/2006 01:58:01 AM · #23

Originally posted by crayon:

Yes, this is my point. If Blue Moon'd just posted the picture under the Individual Photographs forum without referencing the challenge or voting at all, none of this would have happened. And none of it's a big deal either.

R.

10/04/2006 02:03:47 AM · #24

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Blue Moon:
This is my point, I NEVER called it an outtake. Let me be clear: THIS IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT AN OUTTAKE!

Please refrain from misleading others into thinking it is, then.
Key points:
1. you posted this in the "current challenge" section
2. you named this thread "Sooooo Pissed...30 seconds late!!!!! vote now!"

Yes, this is my point. If Blue Moon'd just posted the picture under the Individual Photographs forum without referencing the challenge or voting at all, none of this would have happened. And none of it's a big deal either.R.

Okay...but it doesn't change the fact that it's the same photo. It shouldn't matter what section I put it in. It should be painfully clear why I put it here...I was upset about the current challenge. Also, I just want to be clear that I didn't make this happen. I just wanted people's input on a photo I had INTENDED to enter, and all I get in response is a long rant over a rule that doesn't apply to my photo! And I STILL don't have any comments!!!!! C'mon people!

Message edited by author 2006-10-04 02:04:18.