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09/28/2006 09:32:00 PM · #26 |
Great change!
What if there was a 'Mature' gallery that could also be flagged for those 'non nude but disturbing' category? |
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09/28/2006 09:35:07 PM · #27 |
| OK since many used the NUDE section to mark their deemed offensive images, maybe we should just have a separate flag to identify these photos, something that covers the majority of it, "OFFENSIVE". I dont think offensive images needs a gallery of their own, but just needs to get flagged as a "nude" on the server workings so that they get the same treatment as nude photos (again, minus the gallery) |
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09/28/2006 09:37:55 PM · #28 |
| We'll look carefully at the alternatives, and their impact to site organization, and see what we can implement... lots o' great suggestions here! |
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09/28/2006 09:39:59 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
For example, you are still responsible to include appropriate warnings in subject lines when needed. |
Well, this is certainly shifting the responsibility onto the poster to ensure that their posts are correctly flagged, or their subject lines contain appropriate warnings, or that their photo is assigned to the correct gallery.
It's all a bit much really, isn't it? - This will only help to give people who are sensitive to this a false sense of security. It is impossible to give a guarantee that they won't 'accidently' see inappropriate material on DPC, either because the person who posted it forget to flag it correctly, or SC didn't get to it quickly enough to remove it.
It should be made clear to users that DPC cannot guarantee that they won't see inappropriate material on the site, and won't be held responsible if they do. |
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09/28/2006 09:53:07 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
For example, you are still responsible to include appropriate warnings in subject lines when needed. |
Well, this is certainly shifting the responsibility onto the poster to ensure that their posts are correctly flagged, or their subject lines contain appropriate warnings, or that their photo is assigned to the correct gallery. |
We made that shift several months ago, when the Forum Rules were implemented. With this change, we're mainly just improving the tools.
Originally posted by jhonan:
It's all a bit much really, isn't it? - This will only help to give people who are sensitive to this a false sense of security. It is impossible to give a guarantee that they won't 'accidently' see inappropriate material on DPC, either because the person who posted it forget to flag it correctly, or SC didn't get to it quickly enough to remove it.
It should be made clear to users that DPC cannot guarantee that they won't see inappropriate material on the site, and won't be held responsible if they do. |
Something like this section of the Terms of Use?
4.5 DPChallenge.com in its sole discretion, without notice, may remove any Media at any time posted by a Registered User to the Website regardless of the guidelines set forth in this Agreement. DPChallenge.com does not control the content (including Media) posted on the Website and, as such, does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of such content. You understand that by using the Website, you may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable. Under no circumstances will DPChallenge.com be liable in any way for any content, including, but not limited to, for any errors or omissions in any content, or for any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of the use of any content posted, emailed, transmitted or otherwise made available via the Website. (emphasis added)
~Terry
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09/28/2006 09:59:32 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
You understand that by using the Website, you may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable. Under no circumstances will DPChallenge.com be liable in any way for any content, including, but not limited to, for any errors or omissions in any content, or for any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of the use of any content posted, emailed, transmitted or otherwise made available via the Website. |
Exactly that.
And if people agreed to that when they were signing up, I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
But, if it makes people happy, great. |
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09/28/2006 10:29:55 PM · #32 |
I checked out the feature... and it works pretty well... one thing that might be considered is to automatically tick the box if a tagged post is quoted via the quote button.
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09/28/2006 10:32:31 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
And if people agreed to that when they were signing up, I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
But, if it makes people happy, great. |
Our goal is to make the community as inclusive to photographers as possible, and that's what we've hopefully accomplished here. Just because the ToS say we don't have to do this, doesn't mean we shouldn't try. The Terms of Use also give us the right to cancel someone's account just because we're in a bad mood (see section 12.1); it doesn't mean that's a good idea.
~Terry
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09/28/2006 10:33:12 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I checked out the feature... and it works pretty well... one thing that might be considered is to automatically tick the box if a tagged post is quoted via the quote button. |
Good thought. I'll pass that on.
~Terry
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09/28/2006 10:39:10 PM · #35 |
I have a photo that probably does need the "nude gallery" checked, but I unchecked that and left it in my portfolio as is. Why? The pervert factor. You do get an ungodly number of views if you stick a photo in the nude gallery. I did not, however, post a thumb of it anywhere.
Is this acceptable? |
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09/28/2006 10:43:22 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I have a photo that probably does need the "nude gallery" checked, but I unchecked that and left it in my portfolio as is. Why? The pervert factor. You do get an ungodly number of views if you stick a photo in the nude gallery. I did not, however, post a thumb of it anywhere.
Is this acceptable? |
That should be fine.
~Terry
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09/28/2006 10:49:00 PM · #37 |
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09/28/2006 10:51:21 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I have a photo that probably does need the "nude gallery" checked, but I unchecked that and left it in my portfolio as is. Why? The pervert factor. You do get an ungodly number of views if you stick a photo in the nude gallery. I did not, however, post a thumb of it anywhere.
Is this acceptable? |
I figured out that once you place the photo in the nudes gallery that it continues to be marked as nude after you take it out of the gallery.
So, if you just put it in and then take it out, it's hidden by the flag, but not still hanging around in the nudes gallery.
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09/28/2006 10:52:09 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Much grasses. :-) |
Or, as they say in German, donkey shins? ;-)
~Terry
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09/28/2006 11:13:39 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I figured out that once you place the photo in the nudes gallery that it continues to be marked as nude after you take it out of the gallery.
So, if you just put it in and then take it out, it's hidden by the flag, but not still hanging around in the nudes gallery. |
Woot! Now that is a cool feature! I may do more nudes.... (j/k!) |
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09/28/2006 11:47:44 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
You do get an ungodly number of views if you stick a photo in the nude gallery. |
I kinda hate to admit this but until  Melethia brought it up in the SP thread it never dawned on me to go look through the galleries based on how images were categorized. I've just always picked through the galleries of individuals when I wanted some inspiration. It appears that such is not the case for all viewers, huh.
Not that it really has much to do with this thread but Melethia's experience gives me pause to wonder if the admins or SC have at their disposal the means to see how many "casual" (ie. - non-member or non-contributing user) pass through the galleries in a given time period. Does anyone track statistics like that? I always expected that some people might peruse sites like PhotoSIG trolling for shots they found enticing but DPC just always seemed way too innocuous to provide the volume of images that some people might want when looking to see "sexy" images.
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09/28/2006 11:53:36 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
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Not that it really has much to do with this thread but Melethia's experience gives me pause to wonder if the admins or SC have at their disposal the means to see how many "casual" (ie. - non-member or non-contributing user) pass through the galleries in a given time period. Does anyone track statistics like that? I always expected that some people might peruse sites like PhotoSIG trolling for shots they found enticing but DPC just always seemed way too innocuous to provide the volume of images that some people might want when looking to see "sexy" images. |
I'd be interested in hits, too...except a member who is not logged in might register as a "passer-by"....anyway...the reason for my post is to share this Google Search using the term "nude" and limiting it to the site we have "6,970 from dpchallenge.com for nude. (0.41 seconds)" All I'm saying is the odds seem pretty good. |
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09/28/2006 11:57:44 PM · #43 |
| Langdon may be able to, but to the best of my knowledge, SC wouldn't be privy to this information. |
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09/29/2006 01:18:47 AM · #44 |
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09/29/2006 08:58:15 AM · #45 |
| This kind of peaked at 2 pages then faded away after everyone hit the sheets for the evening? ;^) (just a friendly bump) |
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09/29/2006 01:26:45 PM · #46 |
I'll toss in my thanks as well. Very nice solution. Until next time someone complains, of course. But meanwhile, you've built a pretty robust base upon which to say you've already done a lot.
Two more suggestions:
1) Please use consistent language.
The preferences box says this:
Hide Nude Photos
After voting, do not show thumbnails containing nudity (this does not work in the forums).
But the warning message on a tagged post says this:
** Warning: This post has been hidden as it may content mature content. Click here to show the post.
I went looking for the tick box and didn't find it because, after reading Terry's initial post in this thread, I was looking for something in the forums section about adult content. My first guess was that it was under the filter forums link, but nope. Instead, it's under the images section about nude photos.
And as we've seen in this thread, "adult" or "mature" doesn't always mean "nude." And forums and photos have different sections of the preferences.
Whatever you decide, please use the same language in the preferences box and the forum warning.
2) Change the current preferences text, which still says it doesn't work on forum posts. |
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09/30/2006 08:22:41 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Kudos.
In the end, this was all *anyone* was really asking for. |
I'm confused Glen.
Was it really that bothersome to you ?
You rally support for all that is good and right here, and yet your Bio page basically says how much you loath this site.
I know it has changed and is trying hard to keep up with it's evolution - it's hard to find a happy medium sometimes.
Then, you don't have any warnings on your blog and managed to display a close-up picture of your genitals there.
Like I said, I'm confused, but then again, human nature confuses me anyway.
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09/30/2006 08:36:08 AM · #48 |
Thanks SC. I had the misfortune to open up a discussion thread one day that I didn't know contained adult content while I was at work.
I have no problem with adult content. It doesn't bother me. It does bug me when I have no warning at all that it's coming. I often would read forums and vote on my breaks. The random nudes I don't want to pull up a nude image while I'm surfing at Starbucks drinking my latte. :/
Thanks again. |
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09/30/2006 11:13:28 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Kudos.
In the end, this was all *anyone* was really asking for. |
I'm confused Glen.
Was it really that bothersome to you ?
You rally support for all that is good and right here, and yet your Bio page basically says how much you loath this site.
I know it has changed and is trying hard to keep up with it's evolution - it's hard to find a happy medium sometimes.
Then, you don't have any warnings on your blog and managed to display a close-up picture of your genitals there.
Like I said, I'm confused, but then again, human nature confuses me anyway. |
Nobody ever said I was personally against nudity. I only ever called for some respect and curteousy for others against what I saw as a growing problem with a sense of entitlement from many users.
My own websites have nothing to do with the way DPC is run, nor are they covered under its policies. My only mistake was in forgetting that it had been linked to in the original SP thread to begin with, but I've messaged Louis to remove that. (An honest error. One simple PM from someone pointing that out could have helped.)
Yes, the website is evolving, but it was evolving for the worst for a little while, and I, being the emotional person I am, tend to put up bios that reflect that. Perhaps it's due for a changing soon.. we'll see. I've been stepped back from the stupidity I let myself get involved in for a few weeks now, and it's been really good. Given me a fresh perspective.
Hope this helps to unconfuse you a bit, as it seemed to be a common misconception. People seemed to equate my support of enforcing a rule that was already in place (and most everyone else's), with becoming some kind of raging anti-nudist puritan, and that is *entirely* untrue, and always has been, and I've tried to reiterate that over and over, but it seems that nobody really listens to anything but "no nudes!". *shrug*.
Anyway, these are my last words on the subject, ever. On with the lives here, for better or worse.
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09/30/2006 02:43:45 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
On with the lives here, for better or worse. |
Fair enough - thanks for the clarification and mature response Glen.
I do understand about the frustrations and emotional aspects stated in your Bio.
Message edited by author 2006-09-30 15:03:30. |
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