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09/25/2006 05:37:16 PM · #51 |
darn I lost my dead horse Icon.
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09/25/2006 05:37:16 PM · #52 |
both post processing and stragiht form the camera have their place. straight from the camera is a bit bravura, showing off - i don't crop, dodge, burn - i get it right when i click the shutter.
the other approach is the 'i get it right whenn i click the shutter, but then i make it better.'
i think it's important to hve basic challenges, as they force us to get it right in the camera. that's a vital skill to have. but disallowing post processing would cancel any other artisitic flair. photography is an art. i have a bachelor of fine arts in photography.
both are important. you can't have one without the other. let's stop griping, eh?
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09/25/2006 05:41:12 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Then I looked at his wife's: Maggie Taylor. Now SHE uses Photoshop all the way in the making of her images. Again, a fabulous set of images. |
Yes, but what does this have to do with photography? |
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09/25/2006 05:41:13 PM · #54 |
It all comes back to the simple idea that most users really don't know the rules of basic or advanced. The real good PS people can manipulate a photo in basic rules that is nowhere near the original but pixels were not moved. With the new processing and programs it really is time to filter the rules to a few easy to understand statements that can be read and understood in less than 30 seconds of reading. For basic, very easy .. give 5 or 6 steps that can be done and thats it. For basic allow the same steps but allow selection of sections or pixels and selective changing areas as was approved in basic. It's not that hard. BUT it sure soes get people's feeling hurt and causes an undue amount of fighting. A good friend, SandP had a ribbon taken away last month. She's been here a couple of years and is so VERY HONEST yet she was bit when others doing similar are not.
Simplify and standardize a short list of what is allowed. If you dissagree don't say anything, just take it as a friendly suggestion that needs to be simplified. |
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09/25/2006 05:55:47 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by rider:
... I really like the way you worded this i think you hit the nail right on the head which begs the orignal question----is this a processing site or a photography site and i believe it is the former not the latter |
I agree with your sentiment on the wording of  jmsetzler's post. However I disagree with your summation of this (DPC) site. I think if anything there is a current swing back to less processed (or at least more naturally processed) images making the front page. The current show of ribbon winners (minus the Gary Larson special) is fairly evident of that. Not so long ago half of the front page would have been all grunged up and heavily dodged/burned. |
If you stay around long enough on this site, you will see all kinds of trends make the top 3. Someone will get on a roll and win a ton of ribbons with a unique style. Then in the following weeks there will be a slew of look-a-likes. Then people get tired of seeing the same thing, and a new person comes along with a new style which everyone will then copy again. It's very, very cyclical.
More than anything on the site, creating a style that everyone copies has to be the most honoring thing to happen.
Oh, and this debate will live on for eternity. Personally, I just like good images. I don't care how they were achieved. If you shot it with a scanner and it turned out awesome, then more power to you.
Message edited by author 2006-09-25 17:58:58. |
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09/25/2006 06:09:01 PM · #56 |
Anyway. I really hope that Beacky ( Bosborne) is not discouraged from commenting and asking questions. It's important that people be able to ask questions, and comment with their real thoughts. It really is. |
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09/25/2006 06:10:41 PM · #57 |
| What if I created a image just from photoshop? Who needs a camera. |
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09/25/2006 06:11:37 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Anyway. I really hope that Beacky ( Bosborne) .... |
Freud is ROFL in his grave.
;-)
Message edited by author 2006-09-25 18:11:54. |
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09/25/2006 06:22:42 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Anyway. I really hope that Beacky ( Bosborne) is not discouraged from commenting and asking questions. It's important that people be able to ask questions, and comment with their real thoughts. It really is. |
I hope so too. Stuff like this is what gets people scared to say anything. It's all opinions. Just like food, everyone has a flavor they prefer. |
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09/25/2006 06:38:21 PM · #60 |
Thank you to Ursula for her nice comments. I think she above all knows what I was saying in the first post. Her images are superb and many are in my favorites. She has a wonderful way with photography that I would only HOPE to match someday.
I wasn't trying to ''beat a dead horse'' only voice my opinion that I know this subject crops up from time to time.
If we NEVER comment, how will we ever get answers to our questions?
And KaDI, I have no idea what to make of your ''Freud" comment...have tried, but can't figure it out....
Thanks to all of the other commenters that "got" my comment.
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09/25/2006 06:45:55 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
She's been here a couple of years and is so VERY HONEST yet she was bit when others doing similar are not.
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If she broke the rules and others are doing so then simply request validation?
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09/25/2006 07:25:13 PM · #62 |
I use post processing myself and I like being able to have that ability (Not that it has helped any of my scores though). However, I would like to see an occasional "Straight from the camera" challenge. I know that we had one a few months back but I would like to see them a little more often. I think it helps with photography techniques because you really have to think about it before you shoot. It's kind of fun to see what you can do with no additional help. This would also give the purists the chance to show off.
A while back someone had an idea for a challenge to shoot the picture in full manual mode. This person stated that many people would probably be afraid to enter and they were probably right. I think this would be a great challenge because it would force people to OCCASIONALLY try it without the additional help. The same thing goes for "straight from the camera".
Just my opinion. |
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09/25/2006 07:48:07 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
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A while back someone had an idea for a challenge to shoot the picture in full manual mode. This person stated that many people would probably be afraid to enter and they were probably right. I think this would be a great challenge because it would force people to OCCASIONALLY try it without the additional help. The same thing goes for "straight from the camera".
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I shoot full manual mode a lot of the time. Shooting full manual and what you do to the image afterwards have nothing to do with each other though.
I do tend to think though that a "full manual mode" challenge would be, in many ways, more interesting than another "straight from the camera" challenge. It's not so much whether or not you present your final image exactly as recorded in camera, but whether or not you know enough about your camera to control aperture/shutter speed, WB, exposure compensation, which lens and maybe filters to use, all those things that allow you to make the image you see in your mind.
BTW, I don't think that showing images straight from camera makes you a photography "purist". Or shooting film. Or using only b/w. |
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09/25/2006 07:48:51 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by ursula:
Anyway. I really hope that Beacky ( Bosborne) .... |
Freud is ROFL in his grave.
;-) |
I really don't get it. Is it the spelling of her name? |
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09/25/2006 07:54:21 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
darn I lost my dead horse Icon. |
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...always here to help. :) |
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09/25/2006 08:05:32 PM · #66 |
| Ursula, What I'm saying is that if you have a straight from the camera shot, you still must have faith in your camera and know something about aperature and shutter speed because you don't have any help after the shot. By the way, don't think that I am getting down on post precessing because I use it myself. I just think that it is a fun challenge and just forces people to thing a little bit. At least it did for me during that last challenge. I had to think about what kind of shot I could take and how I would go about it. |
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09/25/2006 08:08:13 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Ursula, What I'm saying is that if you have a straight from the camera shot, you still must have faith in your camera and know something about aperature and shutter speed because you don't have any help after the shot. By the way, don't think that I am getting down on post precessing because I use it myself. I just think that it is a fun challenge and just forces people to thing a little bit. At least it did for me during that last challenge. I had to think about what kind of shot I could take and how I would go about it. |
Yeah, I know what you're saying. One of my first ribbons was in one of the "straight from the camera" challenges. But, just my opinion, I think they're overrated :)
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09/25/2006 08:16:52 PM · #68 |
For the record, I am vehemently against any post-processing or digital manipulation whatsoever. Yep, only 100% pure frozen images for me. Yessirreee.
LOL.
Sorry - I just laugh whenever this issue comes up - no offense or disparagement to anyone on either side of the issue. For myself, I would be one crappy photog without digital processing. I've used Photoshop since it was called "Ye Olde Photo Shoppe" ;-) Please continue with the beating. |
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09/25/2006 08:31:21 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
darn I lost my dead horse Icon. |
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...always here to help. :) |
Thank heavens for finding the dead horsie. I hope no sentient creatures were harmed in the depiction of the wallopping. (Oh, dear, I hope I spelled that right)
;>) |
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09/25/2006 09:28:59 PM · #70 |
| I'd love to see Ursula's orginal, but only to compare. The entry image is great IMO! :-) |
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09/26/2006 10:39:43 AM · #71 |
i think there's a lot of value in both schools of thought. i'm a beginner at all this, so i prefer to learn my way around the camera first, with a little help from photoshop to fix certain things that maybe couldn't have been seen first-hand. i think once i get better at the first pass, i'll be more apt to take bigger leaps editing on the confuser.
in my portfolio, i've posted shots with some processing and others that are shown straight from the camera. i find value in people's comments with both methods so i can learn how to make great IMAGES, not just great photographs.
does this make sense? |
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09/26/2006 12:41:04 PM · #72 |
If anyone cares, this is the original (converted NEF to JPG and sized down to 640x426). No adjustments whatsoever, not even conversion adjustments.
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09/26/2006 12:59:40 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by ursula:
If anyone cares, this is the original (converted NEF to JPG and sized down to 640x426). No adjustments whatsoever, not even conversion adjustments. |
Would you be prepared to take a lie detector test? |
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09/26/2006 01:02:46 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by ursula:
If anyone cares, this is the original (converted NEF to JPG and sized down to 640x426). No adjustments whatsoever, not even conversion adjustments. |
Would you be prepared to take a lie detector test? |
Oyyyy! My mum used to tell me I was a terrible liar. But I never lied, I just made up all these stories all the time - the stuff was all real to me, but I guess it wasn't reality as she saw it. So .... YES! :)))) |
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09/26/2006 01:30:51 PM · #75 |
I came across a quote yesterday that I think addresses this whole issue rather well. It's from "Creative Nature and Outdoor Photography" by Brenda Tharp:
"What are you trying to say with this photograph?" is the most fundamental of all questions regarding creative phtotography. Nature and outdoor photographers want to share the beauty of a landscape, the drama of light, and the action of wildlife. Travel photographers want to share the faces of a culture, a slice of daily life, and a sense of place. Photojournalists want to share the moment or emotional situation before them. We're really all after the same thing: to create images that express what we see, feel, and experience in the world around us. Whether we are aiming for artistic interpretation or realism, the common goal is to make our photographs as creative and expressive as possible
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