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09/23/2006 10:37:29 PM · #1 |
I really messed up. I'm just starting out...and I got my first client who is giving me advice. I made arrangements to give him the CD of images to print himself because he's moving out of the country in a couple days...not a big deal to me. Well, I've burned photos to CD's in the past for friends and family at 4x6 300 dpi and no one has had any problems printing them or enlarging them. I have even enlarged a couple to 8x10's. Well, this guy now says that he needs higher resolution for their favorites and decrease the jpeg compresson (how do I do this?) in 2 of them and decrease saturation in a couple. Being the pushover I am (but I have learned my lesson BIG TIME on this one), I agree to d re-do the ones he wants to enlarge to 8x10. Well, I can't enlarge them to 8x10 obviously without cutting something off...so I pull the SOOC one and that will only let me size to 8x12 or its distorted.
Can someone walk me thru this step by step please of what I need to do? Some need lightened b/c they are underexposed, otherwise, I'd just send him the SOOC ones to be done with it. I am so frustrated that I'm about to cry...(really!) because I've searched high and low on how to fix this without it taking so much time but I find nothing on the subject..nothing! so would someone be so kind and just tell me the best way to get these printable to 8x10 so I can be on my way?
Can I up the resolution on the 4x6's..will that help? Its at 300 now.
thanks so much in advance..please someone make my evening!
Trish
Message edited by author 2006-09-23 22:38:13. |
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09/23/2006 10:45:30 PM · #2 |
6 inches x 300 pixels = 1800 pixels in the long dimension, where a more typical pixel count for a digital original would be 3000+, although it depends on the camera you are using and the size/resolution of the sensor.
What you need to know is that to burn images to a CD you don't need to do ANY resizing; the resolution only applies when it is time to print them, and it will dictate the final print size. The people who print them will do that.
You should be burning the editing originals without any resizing at all. When you made them "4x6 @ 300 dpi" you actually resized them DOWNWARD, and if you didn't keep the originals you basically just threw away all that work. Your correct workflow is to make copies of your originals (drag and drop to a new directory is fine) and then just edit them, in the size they are, so they look right to you. If some are cropped, that's OK but you STILL don't need to resize any of them. The resizing is done separately/differently for every print size, and like I say a labg will do that for him anyway if he specifies print sizes.
R.
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09/23/2006 10:51:50 PM · #3 |
4x6 and 8x10 are not the same ratios... If you have the originals do an 8x10 crop on them. Yes cropping an 8x10 out of a 4x6 you will lose quite a bit on the sides. It will come down to re-cropping the originals.
Why doesn't the client want 8x12? I found that 8x12 is the standard at Pro print shop that I use every so often. 8x12's fit a llx16 matted frame nicely. |
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09/23/2006 10:54:15 PM · #4 |
really? wow! how many photos can you get on a CD that way then?
So, I have the rebel xt. OMG..I'm such a dork!
See if this is right:
1: load pics onto zoombrowers to get them off the card
2. open pics thru PSE2
3. Do whatever to them..(USM, contrast, levels, curves etc..)
4. save as
4. name and into the file to be burned to the CD.
5. what about the resolution? don't I need to change that to 300? If I don't this guy will call me on it! so if the lab will do that...is that what I tell this guy?
And this will allow them to print at any size?
I am speechless that I have made it harder than it has to be...
so being that I can't crop the SOOC image to 8x10 and only 8x12 doesn't mean anything b/c the guy can get an 8x10 from the size I start with?
sorry to ask so many questions..i wnat to get this right...
That is it? Oh yeah..the screen pops up for jpeg options/ quality...what is the best number to put that on? 8-10?
Is that jpeg compression?
Message edited by author 2006-09-23 22:56:45. |
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09/23/2006 10:56:04 PM · #5 |
He's printing them himself before he leaves I think but I can't get my original to crop to 8x10 only 8x12..why is that?
wow..this is much more than I ever thought I'd need to know!
thanks
trish |
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09/23/2006 11:02:26 PM · #6 |
i don't know how photoshop elements works, but in the selection tool, does it have a "fixed aspect ratio" field where you might accidentally have 4x6 or 8x12 in the entry fields? if so, you should change that to 8x10.
Message edited by author 2006-09-23 23:03:03. |
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09/23/2006 11:08:09 PM · #7 |
You don't need to do anything about the resolution, it's entirely size-dependent. 720 pixels at 100 ppi = 7.2 inches. 720 pixels at 200 ppi = 3.6 inches, and so forth. The only thign that matters is the actual number of pixels, and the size of the final print will determine the "resolution". That's good enough for now.
You can get a LOT of jpgs on a CD; how many pix do you have anyway? A quality level of 8 ought to be fine if you need to make them smaller. If you have hundreds and hundreds of pix you may have a space problem, but...
Basically, you seem to have the right idea now, thank heavens. I suspect he's just not very good at communicating what he's seeing; which is that you actually DOWNsized his files so they're no good for larger blowups anymore. Let HIM do the resizing as his specific print needs dictate, you have no control over that oince you deliver the CD to him anyway. It's absurd to expect you to cover all the bases in anticipation, and I doubt he does; he just wants full-sized images that he can work with I'm sure.
R.
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09/23/2006 11:09:52 PM · #8 |
Crop ratios are something like:
4x6 = 8x12 = 10x15 = 16x24
5x7
4x5 = 8x10 = 16x20
The Ratio stays the same but DPI drops (drastically) as you try to print larger the larger sizes.
If you originally cropped at 4x6 then that 4x6 crop can only be enlarged to 8x12, 10x15 and so one... without distortion or loss.
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09/23/2006 11:11:06 PM · #9 |
Trish,
To get an 8x10 image out of the images from your camera, you will have to crop out part of the image. I'd let your client choose how he wants to crop them. This is something he should be able to do if you give him the full resolution files.
Also, I'd recommend that you save the files as TIFF files rather than JPEGs. Saving files as JPEGs always loses details, even at the higher quality settings.
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09/23/2006 11:17:39 PM · #10 |
| Another big lesson; most hi-end camera (i.e. Canon 20D save photos in 4x6 or 8x12" ratio. If you expect that you or someone will want 8x10 you need to leave about two inches on the long side to crop off. If all you do is resize the photo will be out of proprotions. I suspect you already downsizwd and lost data when you saved them at 300dpi at 4x6". When you agree to give someone a photo CD make sure they realize that the photos will be unprocessed and uncropped. Or allow for a certain few to be processed to final proportions. If they want to save money they should expect to do the work. Best of luck. |
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09/23/2006 11:21:11 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by wheeledd:
Trish,
To get an 8x10 image out of the images from your camera, you will have to crop out part of the image. I'd let your client choose how he wants to crop them. This is something he should be able to do if you give him the full resolution files.
Also, I'd recommend that you save the files as TIFF files rather than JPEGs. Saving files as JPEGs always loses details, even at the higher quality settings.
--DanW |
Don't worry too much about JPG with the newer programs like PS CS2. If you save them at 10-12 quality it is so minor loss that you'll never notice it unless you process it a dozen times and keep resaving it. Most of the major stock photo company like Alamy and MyLoupe require submission in JPG format now. To be safe, I always save a copy of the processed photo, unsharpened in TIFF as a backup. |
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09/23/2006 11:45:02 PM · #12 |
Trish, I sent you a private message (email)
Let me know if you're still having problems.
Judy |
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09/23/2006 11:50:57 PM · #13 |
What camera did you use? My Minolta shoots at an aspect ration of 1.5:1, which makes 4x6, 8x12, 10x15, 16x24, etc easy. Maybe this link would clear things up a bit.
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09/24/2006 02:05:02 AM · #14 |
I hope this isn't hijacking Trish's thread, but I've also got a question regarding cropping.
I have been cropping madly - which is ok for web stuff and for printing at home. I just cut the excess off the (sides/bottom) of the paper.
I noticed this problem when I tried to get some shots pinted at a lab. Borders, heads etc cut off. I know - but I didn't think about actual sizes.
What format do you crop at to make it printable at any size (with borders)? If you crop (using CS2) using the pre-set size (example 8x12 - not putting any measurement into the pixal box) will this print at a lab any size you want (4x6 or 8x12) without any quality loss ? |
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09/24/2006 02:25:34 AM · #15 |
if you want to print the whole frame (which i do), you need to either click 'fit' on whichever online printer you're using (so it fits your image to the paper), or place it on a canvas with the correct proportions. that way you get a white border around your image, and lose none of your edges.
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09/24/2006 03:53:18 AM · #16 |
| What does SOOC stand for? |
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09/24/2006 05:05:48 AM · #17 |
| I assume Straight Out Of Camera. |
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09/24/2006 08:24:00 AM · #18 |
| Thanks, BeeCee! That makes perfect sense, but I was really drawing a blank there, heh. |
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09/24/2006 09:30:12 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by trishlyn70:
really? wow! how many photos can you get on a CD that way then?
So, I have the rebel xt. OMG..I'm such a dork!
See if this is right:
1: load pics onto zoombrowers to get them off the card
2. open pics thru PSE2
3. Do whatever to them..(USM, contrast, levels, curves etc..)
4. save as
4. name and into the file to be burned to the CD.
5. what about the resolution? don't I need to change that to 300? If I don't this guy will call me on it! so if the lab will do that...is that what I tell this guy?
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An ok process, but I would add this step.
1a. Copy the images that you have taken from the card to another directory or CD and leave them there.
This way you always have the original to go back to if you mess up somewhere. Even if you choose to do a save as at step 4, this is not the same as having the original. You could forget to save as and just save - original gone, or your editing software could alter the file even if you don't choose to save it.
Message edited by author 2006-09-24 09:31:23. |
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