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09/23/2006 08:12:15 PM · #1 |
Anyone else been watching the USA getting hammered by Europe ? :-)
The funny thing is, the K Club is about 10 minutes drive away from where I live. But it's been just about impossible to get tickets for any of the days.
Unless you're a politician or in U2
And what's wrong with Tiger anyway? - He really appeared to be off-form today. |
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09/23/2006 08:40:30 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
And what's wrong with Tiger anyway? - He really appeared to be off-form today. |
I think it was those fake magazine nude pictures of his wife that were published recently with her face photoshopped on someone elses body or something like that.
Message edited by author 2006-09-23 20:42:43. |
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09/23/2006 09:17:14 PM · #3 |
Americans can't quite figure the team thing. They'll probably do well tomorrow. My dad's suggestion is put the lowest ranking/poorest playing American against Sergio - it'll piss Sergio off and he won't be able to play. :-)
I had it on, but slept through most of it, or was doing chores. Sure the heck is green there!! |
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09/23/2006 09:48:21 PM · #4 |
Tiger just doesn't do well in the cup. I think it doean't suit his style. He ateugles in match play sometimes because he is less consistent. For instance he will eagle many par 5s when most won't. This would give could be a 2 shot advantage in stroke play would still only be one hole in match then he will par the next 2 while the other guy goes birdie birdie so what would be even is actually tiger one hole down.
I think he was pissed about the magazine but I don't know if it hurt him. |
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09/23/2006 10:23:08 PM · #5 |
watching and it certainly isn't over yet.
however, it is similar to the World Basketball phenomena....Less talent, better results. Only one way to sum that up: desire.
Yes the Americans want to win and win badly. But every competition is not the same and the Ryder Cup just doesn't bring out the best in the best. But the question is why? Is it because inherently the Ryder Cup isn't that great due to the statistic results agreeing on this? Or could is it something else? But it comes down to desire to beat your opponent, plain and simple. And Europe is showing they want it more.
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09/23/2006 11:14:13 PM · #6 |
The format and mentality required to win the Cup are completely foreign to American golfers, for some reason. Match play golf is much more "European" in nature, which explains a bit of why Europeans rarely win the British Open but just as rarely lose the Ryder Cup. It's not only a "team" thing, it's a match play thing. Also remember that Woosnam had the "right" to have the course set up to his preferences, since it's his turn to be "home", and he obviously set it up to cripple long, inaccurate hitters like Tiger and Mickelson. The rough is high, and his guys don't mind because they don't play out of the rough. They know what the heck the fairway is for, and this "Bomb and Gouge" junk that we American golfers have invented post-Tiger doesn't work in team match play.
To make it clear, I'm a huge Tiger fan but I'm really upset by Bubba Watson, Camilio Villegas, and Michelle Wie trying to preach that distance is everything that matters. It's ruining American golf. What matters is the dang score once the ball is in the hole. Why hit 300 yards on a 350 yard hole? Why not 220 and a 9 iron? It's goofy golf, IMHO, and that's why we're losing the cup. Again. |
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09/23/2006 11:17:21 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by nards656:
The format and mentality required to win the Cup are completely foreign to American golfers, for some reason. Match play golf is much more "European" in nature, which explains a bit of why Europeans rarely win the British Open but just as rarely lose the Ryder Cup. It's not only a "team" thing, it's a match play thing. Also remember that Woosnam had the "right" to have the course set up to his preferences, since it's his turn to be "home", and he obviously set it up to cripple long, inaccurate hitters like Tiger and Mickelson. The rough is high, and his guys don't mind because they don't play out of the rough. They know what the heck the fairway is for, and this "Bomb and Gouge" junk that we American golfers have invented post-Tiger doesn't work in team match play.
To make it clear, I'm a huge Tiger fan but I'm really upset by Bubba Watson, Camilio Villegas, and Michelle Wie trying to preach that distance is everything that matters. It's ruining American golf. What matters is the dang score once the ball is in the hole. Why hit 300 yards on a 350 yard hole? Why not 220 and a 9 iron? It's goofy golf, IMHO, and that's why we're losing the cup. Again. |
We're not losing the Ryder matches 'cuz we're maniac bombers, sheesh. We're losing it because we're not putting the ball very effectively. Tiger's been very accurate (for him) in fairways & greens, but he's missing putts he makes more often than not, and so are others on our team.
R.
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09/23/2006 11:35:27 PM · #8 |
Putting woes aside, I do have to agree that Americans are more stroke play than match play oriented. Match play requires a different mindset, a different way of thinking around the course. It also requires one to know one's partner's strengths and weaknesses - the European contingent, while most play their professional golf in the US - are a smaller bunch and tend to know each other better, I think.
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09/24/2006 01:33:50 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Putting woes aside, I do have to agree that Americans are more stroke play than match play oriented. Match play requires a different mindset....... |
Wrong. Just look at Tiger's Junior Am and U.S. Amateur record to see if he knows how to win match play.
Format doesn't matter one bit. A swing is a swing and a missed putt is a missed putt. It comes down to even more than poor putting, even though Bear is correct in dissecting Tiger's "woes". It goes to my original argument: Americans just don't care as much because they don't have to hang onto a small, every 2 year "event" for pride and glory. Tiger has 12 majors to the entire European team's 2. What do Phil, Furyk and the other upper tier players really care for? Its about prestige and money. Ryder Cup, unfortunately doesn't contain nearly enough of either to warrant necessary care. However for the Euros, they basically have this to hang their hat on, so they will try twice as hard.
Oh and nards, you hit 300 yards into a 350 yard hole, because a 50 yard pitch is statistically (every single time) going to warrant more birdies than a 130 yard shot....period. When I first began playing 10 years ago I could "bomb" it 240 yards. Now, I can hit it 330 yards. 10 years ago, I averaged 90 strokes a round. Now, I average 73. So distance does mean something, actually it means a heck of a lot. But of course you need the whole package. Bubba Watson is an unbelievable player and same goes with Villegas. Just because they've got the long ball, doesn't discount the fact they can still putt and hit a 200 yard 6 iron better than anyone you have ever seen. Try not to minimalize their overall talents and paint them as one dimensional. You don't get to that level without the whole package.
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09/24/2006 06:46:37 AM · #10 |
Yep, we do have match play at the collegiate level but after that it's definitely a one-man show - players play for themselves and no further. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. :-)
Distance does help. I don't have any distance at all. Then again, I can't consistently hit 50 yard shots any more accurately than I hit 130 yard shots either. My score certainly tends to be lower on the days I can chip and putt, though.
And I can shoot a 73. Then I finish the round. (har har har) |
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09/24/2006 06:51:57 AM · #11 |
| Tiger's form in this tournament is odd, but the important thing is that Europe are winning LOL |
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09/24/2006 07:35:35 AM · #12 |
| What a sad state of affairs when you can't team Tiger and Phil because of an ego problem. I was at The War by the Shore matches at Kiawah in '91, and you could see the Amarican's had a team mentallity, with guys like Irwin and Floyd. Rich+Ego+Spoiled+Me=another American loss. Hey, thanks guys, looks like I will be collecting on some bets tomorrow. It used to tear me up when we (American's) lost the Ryder Cup, but now I kinda root for the Euros, it's more fun to watch them party after a win. |
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