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02/07/2006 04:28:26 PM · #26 |
I now have 170 votes. 600+ members entered this challenge, and 800+ entered Best of 2005. The winner of this Free Study is going to be chosen by a small percentage of members. Yes, it would still feel great to win, and the winner will be the one chosen by those who voted, but would it not be even better to be first as chosen by 600 or 800 voters?
As for Best of Year, I think it would also be an honor to win Best Animal Shot, or Best Portrait, or Best Miscellaneous, or whatever. Iam really not talking about categories such as "shoe", "longhaired pet cat", or "green" but a very broad way to break it down into a manageable size for voting.
There could be a separate page for winners of the best of categories and leave the overall best of year on the front page. |
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02/07/2006 04:37:41 PM · #27 |
Place: 1 out of 148
Votes: 223
Much smaller challenge and only 223 votes. I don't think it has to do with too many entries...
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02/07/2006 05:17:22 PM · #28 |
In all due respect, I really feel that the point of DPC is getting 100% missed - by some here!
There are other very good 'best of' [this and that] sites. The "premise" of this site is very specific. It's meant as a site specifically assigning a task and time to complete... very similar to a formal educational program.
In reality, the Best of the Year is a single event that trumps the foundation actually; as a mention.
As to the (votes : users ratio) - frankly it has little too "almost" no affect on final results - its all relative. Simply a curve avg... and as long as there hasn't been any form of bias/control of the votes and/or the voters, then it all comes out in the end.
The fact that the admin's have done a great job in the never ending revolution of advise in all directions [I'm sure], they've done a good job IMO at keeping to the premise -
The Free Study for a month is just as task and timed, holding too the premise. Again, the best of the year, seems to be the only exception (that I am aware)...
You are correct however, it naturally feels good to have ones' work approved and admired by others. However again to my point that the fact that there is only 3-4/winners at a time, makes it all the more obvious too "All" that visit" who those winners are at a glance; rather than difusing in pages of winners. Its better exposure, more challenging, and all the more-sweet when it happens.
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02/07/2006 05:51:49 PM · #29 |
I doubt I will have a ribbon winning shot soon, if ever, so I am not campaigning for a way to include my shots on the front page(s) of this site. And I did some math which showed that one score does not make that much difference whether there are 50, 100, or 500 votes. I am really here to learn and improve, which I think I have. Since I ask others for their votes and opinions I try to vote on all challenges, commenting when I have a strong opinion or (hopefully) helpful criticism. I guess I am just disappointed that over 600 people entered the free study and not even half bothered to vote.
I love this site. The themed challenges give me direction, and get me to try new things. If they change the way they run free studies or best of year challenges really doesn't matter to me. I was just surprised by the low number of voters and thought maybe a change would encourage more people to vote. |
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09/07/2006 02:35:36 PM · #30 |
In light of some reason conversation about Free Study size I thought I'd bring this back to life.
Don't forget to check the OP of this thread - aw heck, just read the whole thing...it's only two pages long. ;^) |
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09/07/2006 02:39:45 PM · #31 |
What if the free study was bracketed by average scores or username? Username might be better though. A-L, M-Z or something.
Message edited by author 2006-09-07 14:40:48.
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09/07/2006 02:47:42 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I was thinking the same thing. It's very hard to compare a portrait with a landscape (for example). |
I don't think a photo should be judged by comparing it to another.
But on its own technical merits. I thought judging this catagory very difficult but I dont think it was because of the wide range of topics/styles. I think its because most people here are so dang good!
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09/07/2006 02:47:45 PM · #33 |
I am completely against breaking free study down into categories. that defeats the purpose of a free study. if people want category challenges, then request that separately.
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09/07/2006 03:03:37 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I am completely against breaking free study down into categories. that defeats the purpose of a free study. if people want category challenges, then request that separately. |
I agree. But, I think if you enter, you should be required to vote at least 75%. That works out to 73 images to vote on per day in this case spread out over 7 days. At approximately 30 seconds per images that's only a little more than a half hour per day. Who isn't on here that long anyway?
You have rated 678 of 679 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 80 images (12%) in this challenge. |
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09/07/2006 03:07:32 PM · #35 |
There seems to be a perceived problem where none actually exists, IMO. In my free study entry which is scoring just a bit over my average has gotten 252 votes so far which is more than I usually get for a challenge. Just because we had more entries in a free study doesn't mean more votes. I think it's been pretty clear for quite a long time that some will vote and others will not regardless of whether or not they have an entry in it. Nothing has changed in regards to free studies except people's greater expectation of votes.
Message edited by author 2006-09-07 15:08:11. |
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09/07/2006 03:24:21 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
In light of some reason conversation about Free Study size I thought I'd bring this back to life.
Don't forget to check the OP of this thread - aw heck, just read the whole thing...it's only two pages long. ;^) |
*laugh* I thought this WAS about the current free study until I read your post - never looked at the dates.
With everyone claiming "low voter turnout," I think we need to stop and think a bit.
So far there have been 164,000 votes in this free study. That puts it in the top 10 of all challenges. And 9300 comments, which makes it #3.
I think the issue, if there is one, is how many entries there are, not that voters are staying away.
I also think people are focusing too much on ribbons, as opposed to personal bests in score, comments, faves, etc. |
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09/07/2006 03:45:09 PM · #37 |
Yep, lots of votes, lots of comments. I've voted the August Free Study, and I found it very refreshing and enjoyable. It did not feel like I was voting 600+ images, and I had no trouble assigning what I felt was a fair score to a landscape vs. a portrait.
On a side note, I was looking back at the challenge history and noted that the Free Studies seem to get 2 to 3 times the number of votes as their contemporary Member's challenges (though Open Challenges often got nearly as many votes as the Free Studies). The exception was the recent one where there were special rules in place.
On the whole, I personally would not like to see the Free Studies broken up by subject or limited in subject; to do so defeats the idea. |
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09/07/2006 03:55:36 PM · #38 |
Kirbic, has the SC discussed extending the voting period? Esp. if we're going to have monthly free studies, giving 2 weeks to vote would take pressure off for both the free studies and the simultaneous normal challenges.
I know that I've had to split my voting time among the three challenges open for voting, and with so many free study entries, and their quality, I've opted for that over the others. |
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09/07/2006 04:03:03 PM · #39 |
We have not discussed it in the past two months, however we did extend voting for a few big challenges (one or more of the best of 200X and possibly a free study or two) and saw that, at that time, there were very few additional votes after the first week.
It probably would serve us well to look at voting statistics for the Member challenges that vote concurrently with the Free Studies and test to see if there is reduced voting on those challenges. In order to accumulate any significant data, we'd need to monitor for a few months, though. |
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09/07/2006 04:30:26 PM · #40 |
| I think that the increased rate of photos in free studies has become difficult to vote on, but I would not change it to categories or anything. My trouble with voting has nothing to do any more with the amount of entries. The real problem is that I can't come up with a valid scale to vote any more. The images being posted are just too great to say one is bad and one is good. They all have high quality. The voting is harder because there are no obvious differences between most of the images. We have all learned many techniques, which is what this is all about, and we have applied them. Lets face it, the photos coming in now are just so good, how can you critically vote any longer? They are all marvelous, period. |
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09/07/2006 07:29:11 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I'm not sure why it matters to have more than 200 votes on an image. What's a matter with having only 100 votes on image? |
Except for once when the DPC servers were down, I've voted on every photo of every challenge I've entered. If everyone would used that rule, every entry would have at least 619 votes in this free study. I know many will use the exuse of limited bandwidth of dial up, but last informal poll put dial up use at less than 10% of DPC users (if I remember correctly). The other 90% ????.
edit: 618 since you can't vote on your own image. |
I completely agree with the voting on every challenge you participate in - I think that is a great idea! |
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