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09/04/2006 07:17:17 PM · #26 |
I am worried that people on this site want to silence the voices of anyone who doesn't agree with them.
It scares me quite frankly...'run them out of town' if you don't like the way they talk.
And you have succeeded...hell I don't have to agree with everything ergo said to respect his right to say it. And certainly the idea that he is offending the family is ridiculous as they have nothing to do with this site.
I understand WHY people don't like what ergo said...but not the personal attacks.
Comments like "Your inappropiate rant so soon after Steve's death shows your total lack of respect for human life." are ridiculous...there is no logic in this statement, it is only a personal attack from someone who is enraged.
It is scary...very scary.
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09/04/2006 07:31:42 PM · #27 |
I think we agree bucket. I absolutely respect ergo's right to say what he said. However, if I choose to disagree with it should I say nothing? This is the part that bothers me most with the supposed free speechers here. Frankly, I couldn't care less what anyone says or does on this site but don't expect such things to go without a debate. Heck, look at the name of the thread anyway. Looks like an invite to me.
As far as the personal attacks - it works both ways.
Originally posted by ergo:
Sure. I'll let this go. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy your stay. |
From the main thread
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09/04/2006 07:39:36 PM · #28 |
this thread needs to be locked before it turns into a rant about how to rant about ranting.
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09/04/2006 07:40:23 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by ergo:
Originally posted by dudephil:
The fact is that a woman lost her husband and two kids lost their father. I'd say that's pretty damned tragic, no matter what the cause of death. |
Yep, I'd agree that it's both tragic and a tragedy for Steve's family and friends. I'd like to know how it's tragic or a tragedy for other people who don't know him personally, and whose connections to him are through his tv programs or movies. I'd further like to reiterate how people can be so uncritical about what he's done, with specific regards to the environmentalism cause.
Steve Irwin was a pioneer. He was the first to turn animal/nature shows into a sideshow. In his presentations, the animals and nature are not the center of attention. HE and what he does with the animals become the center of attention. Following his lead, a slew of other "nature" guys followed suit and this mode of presenting nature and animals for television has become the norm. (compared to the attenborough way of doing it).
Look at it critically. How is it a conservation message when you actively pursue, manhandle and stress out the snake, croc or whatever else happens to be on the TV menu for that episode? A basic tenet of conservationism is that animals, too, have rights, including rights to their own environment and freedom. I do believe that in his own mind, he's doing a lot of good for the cause. I strongly feel that he was a very good natured man. And yes, perhaps people are now more mindful of nature/environmental issues because they'd become fans of Steve's shows. So yes, that's a bit of good. But why is it that the irony of what Steve does escape so many people? Wouldn't a snake be more beautiful in its natural environment, instead of within the chokehold of a man? Crikey...
His death...people keep saying how rare it is for stingrays to attack. I am a diver, and in over 300 dives I've encountered stingrays in multiple occassions. They have never been aggressive, and they have ALWAYS ran away whenever they spot a threat, and yes, human scuba divers are threats to them. So, how is it that Steve got so close? |
I guess I don't understand why I need to know someone personally for their death to be considered a tragedy. I didn't know a single individual who died on 9/11 but I consider their deaths tragic.
And a heads up, I never saw Steve Irwin handle a snake by the head or neck in a "chokehold". Didn't he always hold them by the tail to keep from injuring their jaws?
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09/04/2006 07:41:33 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
this thread needs to be locked before it turns into a rant about how to rant about ranting. |
Maybe it should be moved to the "Look at Me Rant" forum? Actually, ergo setup this thread so OTHERS can rant on him and well mission accomplished. So what's the problem?
Message edited by author 2006-09-04 19:42:52.
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09/04/2006 07:44:41 PM · #31 |
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09/04/2006 07:48:32 PM · #32 |
Ergo has already been removed from the site, his account has been canceled. So this thread is pointless now. unless we want to turn it into a rant about today being the last day of summer vacation and it is raining. Kids are in the house driving me crazy.
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09/04/2006 07:52:58 PM · #33 |
I wish it was raining although it looks like it might. Pleease rain! :P
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09/04/2006 07:54:20 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Kids are in the house driving me crazy. |
Now you, I feel sorry for :-)
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09/04/2006 07:56:13 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Ergo has already been removed from the site, his account has been canceled. So this thread is pointless now. unless we want to turn it into a rant about today being the last day of summer vacation and it is raining. Kids are in the house driving me crazy. |
Geez Louise - why in the world would he be removed from the site for expressing an opinion?
And I'll take the rain. They keep promising we'll get some and it never actually shows up...
I hope Ergo didn't actually leave. He left me a good comment on my love it/hate it Free Study entry. :-(
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09/04/2006 07:59:09 PM · #36 |
| Ergo asked to leave on his own terms. Indeed, this thread likely does not serve a purpose any longer. |
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