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Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

08/30/2006 07:15:49 PM · #1

I propose the following:

As soon as a challenge gets up to 200 (or ___) submissions, it gets split at random into two equal groups.

That way, there are more chances for ribbons, the voting is nowhere near as daunting, and we have a better chance of everybody voting on 100% of at least one of the groups.

Langdon..... how about adding another poll, please?

angela_packard

Canon EOS-20D

08/30/2006 07:20:25 PM · #2

I think that's a great idea!!! it would be more intersting too...because I would at least want to go vote on the beings that they would be smaller!

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

08/30/2006 07:25:04 PM · #3

I'd be annoyed if I got 4th place with a 6.8 when the winner in the other challenge got 1st with a 6.79.

08/30/2006 07:26:34 PM · #4

so a single challenge could have 6 or even 9(if over 400 submissions liek free study) Ribbon winners? theres a lot of potential problems included in hwo they get split. if one group has the overall ten best photos and the second group doesnt have any stand outs the second group will still end up with three slightly less deserving ribbon winners while the first ends up angry non ribbon winners whos avg. vote may even be higher than the ribboners from the other group. hope that makes sense.

08/30/2006 07:28:10 PM · #5

Originally posted by Konador:

I'd be annoyed if I got 4th place with a 6.8 when the winner in the other challenge got 1st with a 6.79.

But that situation happens all the time already, does it really make such a big difference just because it is the same subject?

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

08/30/2006 07:28:12 PM · #6

Originally posted by Konador:

I'd be annoyed if I got 4th place with a 6.8 when the winner in the other challenge got 1st with a 6.79.

agreed! thats what i was trying to get at but I'm too long winded. lol. ;)

LERtastic

Nikon D200

08/30/2006 07:28:24 PM · #7

I'm with Konador.

Plus, pictures would (should) be rated the same in each group. So if each group is voted on the same, then your placing really wouldn't be out of 200, it would be out of 400. This would be like just making 6 ribbons for a challenge, which would be useless because 6th place is 6th place, whether it's a ribbon or not.

08/30/2006 07:29:08 PM · #8

Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by Konador:
I'd be annoyed if I got 4th place with a 6.8 when the winner in the other challenge got 1st with a 6.79.

But that situation happens all the time already, does it really make such a big difference just because it is the same subject?

it doesnt happen now because a 6.79 cant place higher than a 6.8 in the same challenge. How does that happen?

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/30/2006 07:32:20 PM · #9

Originally posted by jaded_youth:

it doesnt happen now because a 6.79 cant place higher than a 6.8 in the same challenge. How does that happen?

It happens across challenges, lower votes often place higher in another challenge. The only difference would be that this way it has the same subject, but the principle still applies, and doesn't seem like a bigger issue to me.

Perhaps it isn't 100% perfect to everybody, but the way it is now is a lot worse, IMHO.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/30/2006 07:35:35 PM · #10

Originally posted by Beetle:

... which is why the principle doesn't apply -- in one case you are literally comparing apples and oranges, and in the other two boxes of apples. I wouldn't expect votes to correlate between different topics.

08/30/2006 07:37:41 PM · #11

Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by jaded_youth:

it doesnt happen now because a 6.79 cant place higher than a 6.8 in the same challenge. How does that happen?

It happens across challenges, lower votes often place higher in another challenge. The only difference would be that this way it has the same subject, but the principle still applies, and doesn't seem like a bigger issue to me.

Perhaps it isn't 100% perfect to everybody, but the way it is now is a lot worse, IMHO.

It doesnt exactly make sense when comparing different challenges. some challenge topics lend themselves to more visually appealing photos than others so of course the overall scores will be higher.

msdoubletrouble

Canon EOS-20D

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

08/30/2006 07:39:00 PM · #12

how bout when a new challenge reaches 200 submissions then a new challenge automatically kicks in???members limited to 1, 2, 3? (some preset #)of entries per week...WOULD mean dpc has to do additional challenges and calculations...but calculations are automated, and challenge names sometimes repeat..where glass 1 might ribbon at 8 and glassII ribbon at 7 (this was mentioned in thread) so each new challenge that kicks in after 200 would be different from prior challenge of that same week...but i do agree. Folks like me on dialup..it takes FOREVER to vote 300 images...seems less work and more enjoyable to view and comment 200 per lot. Then I don't have to feel bad if I don't do all...no way can I do 350+

Also if you KNOW after 200 entries will be new challege but who knows when that will be or how many times a week that will happen..keep folks clickin that site button???like we aren't ALREADY addicted..buttttttttttt

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 19:40:03.

LERtastic

Nikon D200

08/30/2006 07:41:16 PM · #13

I would hate to miss a challenge because I didn't have time at the beginning of the week to get my entry in.

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

08/30/2006 07:41:31 PM · #14

I say 200... then lock the door... too late... better luck next time.

You only would have twice entry change, not more than 2 times. if you try 3 times, you won't be able to upload, but you still will have chance to delete and withdraw.. and if you do, others will enter to that spot.

200, lock it... YEAH :P

cryingdragon

Canon EOS-10D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

08/30/2006 07:42:43 PM · #15

I'd hate to have that last minute inspiration for the photo that will change the course of history forever and not be able to get it into the challenge because it was locked off.

edited:

OK, we've all seen meat man and know that *I* won't be the one having the history changing photo....

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 19:43:17.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

08/30/2006 07:43:38 PM · #16

If you vote less than 100% of the entries, you are essentially splitting the groups anyway. Perhaps we should just accept that on huge challenges voting for 20-50% of the challenge is acceptable.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/30/2006 07:46:11 PM · #17

I hear the apples and oranges protests.

However, random groups would have to end up very close to each other overall. I could live with the difference.

Personally I would prefer putting up with minor discrepancies between the groups in return for all the advantages that smaller challenges bring.

KarenNfld

08/30/2006 07:47:54 PM · #18

Large challenges are not a problem for me. If you feel they are too large to vote on, then don't vote.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/30/2006 07:48:11 PM · #19

Let's split the challenges when they reach three entries -- then everybody can get a ribbon.

Why should there be two blue ribbons for the "best" apple shot this week?

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/30/2006 07:48:34 PM · #20

Set a limit of 200 entries on the Open challenges. First come, first serve. Leave members un-capped.

cryingdragon

Canon EOS-10D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

08/30/2006 07:48:56 PM · #21

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Let's split the challenges when they reach three entries -- then everybody can get a ribbon.

Why should there be two blue ribbons for the "best" apple shot this week?

I'm all for that...then I'll get a ribbon...it's the only way I will...hahaha

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/30/2006 07:49:06 PM · #22

Originally posted by focuspoint:

I see I merely parrot the wisdom of those before me.

fotomann_forever

08/30/2006 07:49:09 PM · #23

I don't know how I feel about it... my first instinct is nah, too much trouble.

Elvis_L

08/30/2006 07:50:32 PM · #24

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Large challenges are not a problem for me. If you feel they are too large to vote on, then don't vote.

I agree. Sorry but I would rather not have your vote than to be locked out of a challenge or not get a ribbon when someone with a lower scoring photo did.

I understand if it takes to long to vote just don't vote on all of them.