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06/28/2006 03:10:27 PM · #1 |
The soon to be released Nikon Capture NX raw converter for Nikon NEF's will have a new tool: U Point Technology = Color Control Points.
The way it works is described here: //www.outbackphoto.com/artofraw/raw_29/essay.html
Would this be legal under basic editing rules?
The points kind of create masks, but the effects are in some degree applied to the whole image when used at 100% and certainly when you only use on point. But you can feather the point and also change the opacity of the effects of one point...
It is better to discuss this now than after the first dq. Maybe something to keep in mind for the new rules too.
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06/28/2006 03:28:19 PM · #2 |
Hmmmm. Interesting! When two (or three ) control points are invoked, there is almost no global effect from a given control point, only on the color range selected. An interesting concept, and a useful one at that. I can't give a simple answer as to legality, though. I simply don't know.
There is some precedent for this *possibly* being legal in Basic, since the "selective color" tool is allowed. I'll raise this for discussion, and point the SC to this thread. We'd of course welcome thoughts from the user community as well! |
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06/28/2006 03:40:41 PM · #3 |
Since the description actually uses the word MASKS, I would think that it would be legal in Advanced, but not in Basic. Also Basic Edit says that adjustments must be global and the U-points description states that you can do non-global color correction:
Originally posted by //www.outbackphoto.com/artofraw/raw_29/essay.html:
Selective Corrections
Almost all RAW converters only allow global tone and color corrections (except LightZone). In general for all serious work you need to perform selective corrections. This is clearly the domain of Photoshop today.
What do we mean by selective?
* Selective by area
* By colors and tonality
* Using painting techniques |
My 2 cents. |
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06/28/2006 03:43:30 PM · #4 |
| Don't know if this matters but everything in Capture does not alter any pixels. The corrections are stored as meta data - the original image remains untouched. |
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06/28/2006 03:52:50 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by rswank:
Don't know if this matters but everything in Capture does not alter any pixels. The corrections are stored as meta data - the original image remains untouched. |
The saved .jpg would have to be altered by those instructions during the save process. Making that point moot.
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06/28/2006 03:59:07 PM · #6 |
The crux of the matter is whether the implicit selections made by Capture NX are qualitatively different than those made by the already-allowed "selective color" tool. The Capture NX tools are by far more capable, but that doesn't mean anything, really, with regard to legality.
Software is progressing rapidly, and building point & click tools to make some edits that previously required advanced skills. We need to keep in mind that what we consider "Basic" editing may very well need to evolve with the capabilities. |
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06/28/2006 04:09:55 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Software is progressing rapidly, and building point & click tools to make some edits that previously required advanced skills. We need to keep in mind that what we consider "Basic" editing may very well need to evolve with the capabilities. |
maybe it needs to devolve... basic editing = crop only.
umm... no. nevermind. that would suck...
but if we're voting on if NX tools should be legal in basic, i'm going to have to vote yes...
and that has nothing to do w/ me planning to buy it when it comes out... nothing at all... promise...
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08/27/2006 07:43:55 AM · #8 |
I'm seriously thinking about buying NX
We never got a final answer on the legality of the control points. I searched the forums and didn't find anything.
Question is: Is it legal in basic editing? and in advance editing?
Thanks,
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08/27/2006 08:07:11 AM · #9 |
| I'm told the Cnd version (International?) will not be available for purchace till Sept. some time (I'm on a list at Simons Camera in Mtl.) |
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08/27/2006 08:23:16 AM · #10 |
Thanks Ralph
I've been browsing the different Nikon sites and the only place I could find to buy it, it mentions that if the trial has expire the registration number will not work.
Guess I will have to wait till september.
Any idea on the legality to use it in basic and advance editing?
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08/27/2006 08:25:56 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Alain_cdn:
Any idea on the legality to use it in basic and advance editing? |
my guess / no in basic, yes in advanced
IMO, control points would be just like spot editing
cool feature though...
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08/27/2006 08:50:47 AM · #12 |
ummm... just wondering, but is this that different from using the HSL tool in photoshop?
Eg, if you want to selectively edit certain colour ranges in basic editing, you just open up HSL, then use the eye dropper tool to select the colour you want, then use the + eyedropper or the - eyedropper to add or remove colour range that is effected. That way, it works basically like selective colour, but you get to select the exact colour range that is affected. isnt this what the nikon thingo is doing?
ive only just begun playing with hsl this way, but it seems to be like selective colour, but very very customisable to the exact colour range...
i guess though the biggest plus points are that you can selectively also change the sharpness in certain colour ranges, which you otherwise would have to use selection masks for...
Message edited by author 2006-08-27 08:52:29. |
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08/27/2006 09:01:23 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by diablo2097:
ummm... just wondering, but is this that different from using the HSL tool in photoshop?
Eg, if you want to selectively edit certain colour ranges in basic editing, you just open up HSL, then use the eye dropper tool to select the colour you want, then use the + eyedropper or the - eyedropper to add or remove colour range that is effected. That way, it works basically like selective colour, but you get to select the exact colour range that is affected. isnt this what the nikon thingo is doing?
ive only just begun playing with hsl this way, but it seems to be like selective colour, but very very customisable to the exact colour range...
i guess though the biggest plus points are that you can selectively also change the sharpness in certain colour ranges, which you otherwise would have to use selection masks for... |
but HSL works on the hole image where NX uses a mask/envelope to cover an area 'which is selective' |
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08/27/2006 10:15:16 AM · #14 |
I've bumped the SC discussion thread, now that introduction of NX is imminent shipping.
Message edited by author 2006-08-27 10:17:16. |
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08/27/2006 06:59:51 PM · #15 |
| doesn't the nikon thingo mask based on colour? isn't that what HSL does too when applied to selective colour range? or am i using it wrong? :P |
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08/27/2006 07:26:28 PM · #16 |
having used NX to process a whole group of photos from a recent wedding, i'd like to amend earlier statements.
1) i will NOT be purchasing the software... yes, u-points are cool and usefull, but the rest of the program is too slow and too hard to use... not worth the $, imho...
2) color u-point adjustments should be disallowed in basic
just my $.02
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