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08/26/2006 10:34:40 AM · #76 |
Excellent work! This is the first of your podcasts I've had a chance to listen to, and I'm already looking forward to more.
Thanks for doing this.
~Terry
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08/26/2006 10:58:52 AM · #77 |
Club-Juggle...thanks for the support. This podcast is designed to be a weekly podcast which will come out every weekend. Ideally this show will be located at Itunes and various search engines so people searching for key words like digitial photography and such might have a new way to find out about and exerience DPChallenge (my favorite site). My target audience started out being new people to DPC...educating them a little about the site, about the rules, etc but it appears that long time users of the site are interested as well so now my target audience has broadened to the whole DPC community all together (old and new). Like I said, I'm still working on the format, target audience, etc.
There are a couple of weekends coming up in October for which I will either have to record the podcast early one week and late the next or I'll have to find someone who wants to host the show those weeks. Of course the tricky part is the technical side of the show and that's hard to pass on. For consistency's sake though I think one person should do the podcast every week as the primary host. It doesn't have to be me...I just started the ball rolling. In fact, I originally hoped the DPC gods (owners) would pick up on the idea and decide to do it themselves or officially sponsor me to do it for the site. However, I have had very little negative feedback and lots of encouragement so if no one minds I guess I'm as good a pick as any right now to be the host. I enjoy hearing people tell me they got a laugh or learned something new or what not. Makes me feel like I'm contributing to this great site! |
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08/26/2006 11:28:49 AM · #78 |
Some honest, hopefully constructive opinions:
* - 45 minutes is about 35 minutes too long.
* - Critiquing photographs specifically created for challenges is a little different than critiquing images in say a gallery. So comments like, "It's ok, but it's just a photo of peas" comes off as either rude or like it was said from someone who doesn't quite understand some of the goals at dpc (like technical improvement of photography using mundane subject matter ... like peas).
* - Suggesting that ANY ribbon winning photograph is "easy to do", in my opinion, insults the photographer who just won. If it was easy, I'd have ALL the blue ribbons.
On a positive note:
* - The sound quality is very good.
* - The song snippet lead ins is also very good.
* - Member interviews are a great idea and easily the best part.
Not positive or negative:
* - Anyone with internet access can learn the stats, basic rules, etc. The fact that you have skype opens up the doors to interviews with top notch photographers, which you've done. I'd much rather listen to Kiwiness talk about what goes into studio work (prep time, finding models, unexpected things that have happened), or Anastasia talk about wedding photography, or scalvert talk about how many hours he puts into his setups - than anything else. Or if those people (or whomever) has any secret rivalry with anyone else on the site, or who they look up to - or try to mimic the most.
Hope this helps, great work Lee.
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08/26/2006 11:51:24 AM · #79 |
| Thanks for the input hopper. For the record, you'll note that I in fact mocked my co-host for the "it's not a difficult shot" comment and said, "oh then go get a ribbon and put your money where you mouth is." I thought that little bit was fairly funny. I also want to point out that the voting on lots of challenges is open to the public who may have little to no experience in photography (like myself). These inexperienced voters are given the same ability to score as those well educated in photography. SO, it might not hurt having the perspective from someone who is just commenting on whether the photo is visually appealing or not. There are probably lots of people that vote that way. On the other side of the coin, I'm not real educated in photography either. Perhaps I should find a co-host who is a real technical nut to help give our show balance. I can provide the color commentary (borrowing an old television phrase) and someone more technically minded can ask the really good questions. I agree with you that what most people probably want to hear are the interviews with the top photographers. |
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08/26/2006 12:06:55 PM · #80 |
Just got thru with the full podcast. I like it. The fact you didn't know some of the winners was a plus to me. I'm new here and still feel quite the outsider and you seem to view things thru that lens. 90 percent of the podcast kept me quite engaged. I had no problem with any of your humor. Little tech problem with different volume for different hosts, but just turned up the volume and no worries. I like the idea of interviews with some of the elite of DPC, but I'd also like to hear interviews with some of the new ribbon winners. Esp. those who suddenly appear from nowhere and win a blue. (No, I don't mean the multiple account, won't go away people) All in all, I think you should be proud. Nice PodCast. I'd rate it a 9. heheheheh
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08/26/2006 12:13:21 PM · #81 |
Thanks fir3bird....as I've said before, I'm still trying to figure out exactly who the target audience is...who is listening? What do they want to hear, etc. We should remember this little truism:
"You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
No matter what I do someone is going to say it was too short, too long, too stupid, too technical, etc. The trick is to try and find a mix that meets the MAJORITY and develop a thick skin from those who fall oustide the norm and remind you what you aren't doing right. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this in response to any criticism here...I'm just saying that particilurly with humor, you aren't going to be funny to everyone. Someone is going to think you're stupid and childish. ETC
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08/26/2006 12:14:06 PM · #82 |
| fir3bird...I have to ask. What was the 10% where I lost your interest? |
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08/26/2006 12:28:43 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by lkn4truth:
fir3bird...I have to ask. What was the 10% where I lost your interest? |
Hard to define. Sorry, I know you're asking with respect to possible improvement. It was a figure pulled from the hat. IE I listen to a Nikonians podcast from time to time and I could really use it to go to sleep about half the time. And I can't really define why except the one on one co-host interaction can drop below my interest level. Your podcast didn't have this problem and I enjoyed the banter. Maybe your interview podcasts should be seperate from the regular challenge review ones. Perhaps the 10 percent stemmed from the explainations between the three parts of the podcast. I would have just busted the whole into 2 or 3 parts. Like I said I rate it a 9. In voting for images I seldom go below a 4 and seldom give a 10. Keep up the good work.
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08/26/2006 12:34:45 PM · #84 |
| fir3bird...you made a suggestion that I'm giving serious considertion to. Perhaps I'll post two parts every week...the ribbon discussion and the interview section. That way if people could care less to hear one or the other they can just play the part they want. I'll give that some thought. |
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08/26/2006 12:37:11 PM · #85 |
I just listened to it. It was OK, I thought it was pretty long also. Where was the 'adult humor' that you were talking about in the forums? lol
Interviews with the ribbon winners would definitely be good, better than a couple people talking about how they hate pictures of kids and how a basket isn't masculine... Although I'd imagine not all the ribbon winners would be willing to, or have the capability (I couldn't do it very well with dial-up, and there's probably a lot of other users in the same boat).
I'd like to hear both of the hosts talk briefly about the ribbon winners, and then name a few photos from the challenges that they feel were underrated, and talk about why. |
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08/26/2006 12:49:08 PM · #86 |
| Madman2k, am I detecting that another way to rephrase your input would be "don't be negative...be positive"? |
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08/26/2006 01:23:20 PM · #87 |
I like it, I like the length and I love the idea. My only issue is that this Sherry chick has not submitted any images. I'd rather hear criticism from someone who also has the jimmies to put their photos up as well. Perhaps this is a one and only occurrence, but it was a slight annoyance nonetheless.
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08/26/2006 01:28:56 PM · #88 |
ericwoo...excellent feedback. LOL. The other co-host I worked with is active on the site...I'll see if she wants to co-host more and I'll see if I can get Sherry to start putting her money where her mouth is. LOL. Nothing humbles you quicker than taking a picture and seeing how much talent you THOUGHT you had but didn't. :)
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08/26/2006 01:41:28 PM · #89 |
Just a refresher for those of you trying to search for us on ITunes. You won't find us that way just yet. Do the stuff below.
Originally posted by sea2c:
For anyone interested. You can get the "Unofficial" DPC Podcast on ITunes by subscribing to it manually.
Go to "Advanced | Subscribe to Podcast" and enter the following in the URL box:
//www.dpcpodcast.com/podcasts/DPChallenge-TheUnofficialPodcast.xml
This'll get you subscribed to us nicely. We're working on being added to ITunes officially but it takes a bit of fiddling and time for them to approve. But that shouldn't hold you back! |
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08/26/2006 01:45:38 PM · #90 |
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08/26/2006 01:49:22 PM · #91 |
Thanks Jfriesen.
Not a lot of comments about the humor. Did anyone actually laugh at the jokes or commentary? When we were critical of a photo did it come off as light hearted teasing or did it come across as rude and judgemental? |
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08/26/2006 02:00:01 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by lkn4truth:
Madman2k, am I detecting that another way to rephrase your input would be "don't be negative...be positive"? |
That's partly what I mean. Although, the best thing to do, IMO, is to be natural. If you guys are saying things just for the sake of being positive, you might not enjoy it, and it won't be real. I just think a little less 'pet peeve' discussion would be nice.
Keep in mind this is the only episode I had ever heard, though, and I'm only one listener. |
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08/26/2006 02:12:04 PM · #93 |
| MadMan2K...thanks for clarifying your comments. On www.dpcpodcast.com I've also posted Episode 2 containing an interview with Larus if you are interested in hearing more. |
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08/26/2006 02:20:02 PM · #94 |
OK I just finished from where I left off last night. I have many thoughts but I will stick with 3 points.
Format: Lead in. Recap challenges in fist 5 mins know all info on each image without having to look it up. I knew all about the images and felt like I was waiting for you. Preview upcoming challenges next 5 mins. next 10 mins interview.
Feel: It is to casual for my taste. I like the NPR style of interview.
Staying on topic (LOL): To be blunt and don't take this the wrong way. But you as the interviewer, I don't care what you think about the topic. I care about what the interviewee thinks about the topic. Format the questions Precisely and concise, ask and wait for answer.
That would make it 20 mins. I think a stricter format would get you more listeners and make the podcast more consistent. Over all for the 3rd it is great. You have a natural style and it works just tighten it up. I did find stuff funny and don't lose the humour just don't force the "Funny".
Good stuff keep it up and I will listen.
Erick
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08/26/2006 02:24:01 PM · #95 |
| gulp...painful to read but thanks for the input. :) |
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08/26/2006 02:28:50 PM · #96 |
Just finished listening to it. I really enjoyed the Larus interview, so I was looking forward to this one. Here's my feedback;
- It's a bit too long, my attention span isn't that good! I felt as though there was a lot of 'filling' going on. I think 20 minutes would be about the right length. Both for the amount of stuff you need to cover (content) and attention span. 10 minutes to discuss winners and current challenges, and a 10 minute interview. Something like that.
- Sounds quality is getting better. I was still picking up a 'buzz' on some sections, but nothing major
- I like the editting, the way you break it up with music clips works well
- The interview seemed to 'drift' a bit and wasn't as focussed as the one with Larus. I think this might have been because you had plenty to talk about with Larus and his ribbon-winners. Sorry Ben! :)
Keep it coming!
John. |
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08/26/2006 02:30:22 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by lkn4truth:
gulp...painful to read but thanks for the input. :) |
I do like the work and the technical quality of the podcast was very good.
You have succeeded with me because you have gained one more listener.
And after all that is what you want. :-)
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08/26/2006 02:48:57 PM · #98 |
| I do plan to make the format about 25 minutes total...10 minutes for ribbon discussions, etc....10 minutes for interview...and 5-10 minutes of special features if I want to add something... |
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08/26/2006 03:37:11 PM · #99 |
This was also my first time listening. It wasn't bad by any means, but I think most of us who frequent the site already knew many of the things about the ribbon winners that you kept going over with your co-host.
I might suggest (no offense to your friend) that you consider finding a willing DPC old-timer to go at it with you. Those of us very involved in the forums (i.e. -the most likely to listen) probably got bored and were looking to move on. The banter was amusing though, which saved it overall.
One caveat - Please do not make this a total NPR style question answer question answer interview and winner discussion. That would be worse than listening to you discover that "OMG!! Look at all of Scalvert's ribbons!!" And we're all sitting here going, "We'll, yeah?? He's Scalvert." You get my drift. I'm not trying to be overly negative here, I like the style and the format mostly, the chemistry is good between you and (forgot her name). A little more pre-recording research on the ribbon winners would remove the problem without switching or adding co-hosts.
To anwer wazoo: I do care a little about what you think of the topic, but keep it more about the interviewee even when you're expressing an opinion during the interview section.
Other stuff: Rob Thomas is okay, but possibly switching up the section intro-outro would give a better feel of progression. Use the music to set the mood for the next section rather than just a canned "umm, I need a spacer here"
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08/26/2006 03:45:24 PM · #100 |
Please don't take this the wrong way but I gave up after a few minutes because a) the sound quality detoriated markedly as soon as there was more than one person talking and b) I really wasn't interested at all in listening to the looong chat about ribbon winners of a particular challenge. Not only did it strike me as unprepared but also simply lacked interest for me.
If you were willing/ able to offer it in a segmented format so that I could pick and choose the elements that interest me (the interview with Konador, for example), I'd give it another go.
Sorry to be negative but that's my honest opinion.
Message edited by author 2006-08-26 15:50:43.
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