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08/12/2006 10:11:04 AM · #1 |
Thoughts?
I envision something like an armband, much like the ones that were common in the 1930s and 1940s Europe. Instead of the Star of David, perhaps the crescent moon.
How did the US (and the world) become this way??? |
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08/12/2006 11:06:38 AM · #2 |
Well, keep in mind that this is JMHO.
I think that's insane! I personally do NOT know any Muslims and I can tell you right now that I have no ill will towards them as a whole. I can't understand why people would want to single out a group of people for what ever reason. You are right when you ask are we going to revert back to the 1940's and start making them wear arm bands or even round them up and place them in "civilian concentration camps" to keep them under control? No, I don't think that is the answer.
I'm afraid the only solution here seems to be tolerance, and a healthy dose of education, something the world in this day and age seems to be lacking. I do not for one second agree with the extremists out there causing all the turmoil in the world and I really have no reason to debate politics until we are all blue in the face but making people start wearing or registering for "special" identification goes against everything our constitution stands for.
JM2C.
edit: to fix some spelling..
Message edited by author 2006-08-12 11:44:08.
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08/12/2006 11:11:06 AM · #3 |
Just want to point out, the article doesn't say they should wear ID, but should carry one. Big difference, I think. (Personally, I still don't think it is right).
Also, they polled a whooping 1007 Americans. That is fewer than the number of students at a local high school. I personally don't think that this is enough of a sample to get a realistic indication of "American's" true feelings, but would think that there are some (just not as many as the article summarizes) that would agree.
edited to add -- but then gallop is full of statiticians, of which I am NOT!
It is very telling that Americans who actually know Muslims are more sympathic.
So, the notion is absurb, but the article isn't really that educational either.
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08/12/2006 11:22:49 AM · #4 |
| Yeah a poll of one thousand is too small. Also where did they poll outside a KKK rally? Many factors have to come into play before a poll is valid and then sometimes they are still wrong. The problem is those who would carry a id car are like all those who register guns. They follow the law the people who are causing the problems would never register metophorically speaking. Tolarence is not the answer either. Being patient in line while the person infront of you is being searched, understanding that we have more freedom than anyother country in the world and not abusing them is another. I always say if you have nothing to hide then why try to hide it.. So next time you get stopped because you look foreign or picked out of a line at the airport to be searched. then be cool stay cool and everything will be cool. Unless you have something to hide... |
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08/12/2006 12:06:22 PM · #5 |
| I went to a tourist attraction yesterday in Bangkok..as a tourist. Before we could enter the tourist attraction I had to put my camera, handbag and my husband's mobile in a locker to which the staff had a master key. I argued, I moaned, I wanted to leave and vote with my feet. But we went in anyway. I had nothing to hide, I just wanted to visit the attraction. BUT I FELT like a criminal, I felt viewed as a criminal...it ruined the morning. I will not go back again. I resent being treated as a potential criminal, even if everyone else is being treated the same. The minute we give up freedom after freedom the terrorists have won. |
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08/12/2006 02:43:36 PM · #6 |
Not to flame the fire, but the question is leading -- it's a good idea for everyone to carry ID (and any medical alerts needed). That those 1007 American's feel that good advice includes the Muslims is not all that far out of the ordinary -- nor, unfortunately is the news media sensationalizing it.
David
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08/12/2006 02:57:30 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Just want to point out, the article doesn't say they should wear ID, but should carry one. Big difference, I think. (Personally, I still don't think it is right).
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Although I would also point out the article said "special ID", whatever that means. I don't think it meant you just needed to have your driver's license with you...
This article just further degrades my impression of our country. |
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08/12/2006 03:02:41 PM · #8 |
| That disgusts me beyond words. |
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08/12/2006 03:05:50 PM · #9 |
I think this should only apply to the Muslims who are terrorists,
otherwise people will continue to confuse the two.
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08/12/2006 03:14:00 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I think this should only apply to the Muslims who are terrorists,
otherwise people will continue to confuse the two. |
I can't believe you just said something like this "should only apply" to ANYONE. If the WW2 references don't ring a bell, how about the Scarlet Letter? |
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08/12/2006 03:18:12 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I think this should only apply to the Muslims who are terrorists,
otherwise people will continue to confuse the two. |
This is a joke, right?
If not please let me know how you are going to distinguish one from the other, 'cos British and US Intelligence would love to know!
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08/12/2006 03:18:39 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by karmat:
Just want to point out, the article doesn't say they should wear ID, but should carry one. Big difference, I think. (Personally, I still don't think it is right).
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Although I would also point out the article said "special ID", whatever that means. I don't think it meant you just needed to have your driver's license with you...
This article just further degrades my impression of our country. |
Shouldn't be of the whole country, just a large percentage of the 1007 that were actually asked.
There are 63K+ members on this site, the majority of them Americans. Let's have a poll and see what the response is. :) I daresay, the results would be much different. |
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08/12/2006 03:19:27 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I think this should only apply to the Muslims who are terrorists,
otherwise people will continue to confuse the two. |
This is a joke, right?
If not please let me know how you are going to distinguish one from the other, 'cos British and US Intelligence would love to know! |
I took it as being tongue in cheek. AND points out that not all muslims are terrorists. |
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08/12/2006 03:23:55 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by ergo:
Thoughts?
I envision something like an armband, much like the ones that were common in the 1930s and 1940s Europe. Instead of the Star of David, perhaps the crescent moon.
How did the US (and the world) become this way??? |
"Become this way?" You do know we rounded up Japanese Americans into "camps" during WWII right? That wasn't too long ago and might I add a bit more extreme than armbands.
Let me add, that I don't support armbands just answering the question posed.
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08/12/2006 03:24:04 PM · #15 |
| Great.. This reminds me of the time when I was left out of this huge checkup of people who looked obviously asian or muslim. Most of them weren't even muslim and were born and bred brits. I felt so guilty because of the way I looked. I was the muslim, asian outsider they were so fricking scared off and they didn't even give me a second look because they assumed I was white. Racial discrimination has come back with a bang hasn't it. |
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08/12/2006 03:47:59 PM · #16 |
//media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf
The link is for those questioning the accuracy of this (or any other Gallup) poll. Those 1007 people will accurately reflect a true cross section of the American population.
I for one think the title of this thread should be changed to accurately reflect what the poll said (carry vs wear).
I am saddened by the results of this poll. :(
IMO education is the answer, and responsible journalism is the way to start. Instead of daily showing the US images of angry muslim radicals burning US flags why not show what 99% of the muslim nationals do.
Two weeks ago I got the chance to listen to Mani Haghighi (Iranian film director) - what an interesting person. In three minutes I learned more from him about Iran than a lifetime of television viewing. Iran is a real live democracy. Huh, how many Americans know that? Iranians downhill ski after work. Huh. Iranians are afraid the US is going to invade. Huh. Iranian people just want to live there lives. Huh.
Unfortunately, the way things are going, the US will be invading his country in the next year.
Edit to add:
I think the poll shows what US citizens are being told by the media.
Message edited by author 2006-08-12 15:51:53.
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08/12/2006 03:55:42 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
IMO education is the answer, and responsible journalism is the way to start. Instead of daily showing the US images of angry muslim radicals burning US flags why not show what 99% of the muslim nationals do.
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Chicken and egg thing...
Do the media present a view and then the public adopts that view? Or do the media present what the public WANTS to hear, see and read?
In my experience as a journalist, it is still a combination of those two, BUT I do think there is a growing trend for the second process. Take FOX. Anyone with any amount of skepticism about the media and how it works ignore it and regard Fox News as sensationalistic trash. But why is it so widely watched? Perhaps because its viewers prefer the editorial slant, in addition to format and other contents, and therefore Fox News editors will continue to feed its public what their market research folks are saying they should be feeding the public.
I don't mind a change to the thread title. Mea culpa for wear, instead of carry... |
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08/12/2006 04:11:57 PM · #18 |
I believe most people believe what the TV tells them, willy nilly. It numbs our brains and makes us idiots.
The problem, as you've hit the nail on the head, is that news isn't news anymore, it's become ratings and market share.
I think to responsibly show the radicals burning the flag the followup should temper that - especially seeing what this polls shows. Those with the ability to teach us should. And those people are the owners of the airwaves.
Ultimately, I think it's an exceptionally complex issue and one that won't be solved. IMHO market share and supply side economics will prevail. The almighty dollar will win, we will lose.
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08/12/2006 05:02:43 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
I believe most people believe what the TV tells them, willy nilly. It numbs our brains and makes us idiots.
The problem, as you've hit the nail on the head, is that news isn't news anymore, it's become ratings and market share.
I think to responsibly show the radicals burning the flag the followup should temper that - especially seeing what this polls shows. Those with the ability to teach us should. And those people are the owners of the airwaves.
Ultimately, I think it's an exceptionally complex issue and one that won't be solved. IMHO market share and supply side economics will prevail. The almighty dollar will win, we will lose. |
I disagree with that conclusion. It may very well happen but it doesn't have to. The problem in my opinion is too many people REFUSE to think, period. What we see on TV is only the net result of that not the cause.
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08/12/2006 05:16:50 PM · #20 |
If you get your facts from any media or polls then your leading yourself down a slippery slope to being mis-informed. I mean look at Reuters and Dateline and CBS I could go on and on, but the point is that article about how polling is a scientific method is horse poo. Also wrote in 1997. The laws have changed since then, you cannot even call most house holds thanks to the rule against telemarketers and yes polls fall under this too. Second 95% of americans do not have a telephone. More like 65% have more than one phone. You could argue if a poll is correct all day long. Just to point out most people thought Kerry had won the election going to bed due to exit polling. And where on earth are you gona get a cross section of voting americans who could make a difference besides a voting station
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08/13/2006 10:28:59 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
This article just further degrades my impression of our country. |
That's a shame. I assume you say this tongue in cheek???? Personally my impression of this country doesn't come from articles. Too many people who write articles would like to shape my impressions. I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm sometimes disappointed with what America does...... I vote my disappointment. I wish everyone would. |
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08/13/2006 03:58:59 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
//media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf
The link is for those questioning the accuracy of this (or any other Gallup) poll. Those 1007 people will accurately reflect a true cross section of the American population.
I for one think the title of this thread should be changed to accurately reflect what the poll said (carry vs wear).
I am saddened by the results of this poll. :(
IMO education is the answer, and responsible journalism is the way to start. Instead of daily showing the US images of angry muslim radicals burning US flags why not show what 99% of the muslim nationals do.
Two weeks ago I got the chance to listen to Mani Haghighi (Iranian film director) - what an interesting person. In three minutes I learned more from him about Iran than a lifetime of television viewing. Iran is a real live democracy. Huh, how many Americans know that? Iranians downhill ski after work. Huh. Iranians are afraid the US is going to invade. Huh. Iranian people just want to live there lives. Huh.
Unfortunately, the way things are going, the US will be invading his country in the next year.
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I think the poll shows what US citizens are being told by the media. |
This is a really refreshing post - so many times people are dehumanised by tv news into faceless radicals. My experiences in the region reflect your views. A lot of people I correspond with here seem to see only the dehumanised radical side of Middle Eastern society. So sad to think that this is in part directing foreign policy.
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