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08/10/2006 09:26:27 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Maybe saintaugust can clarify as to exactly what he meant...not sure I'd believe him in either case, but I'll give him the opportunity to respond. |
thanks for that opportunity.
i never decided it would be 'ok' to cheat a little.
i had the entry in, wasn't quite happy with it, and re-edited the last version. It honestly slipped my mind that it was basic editing at the time. Maybe I was tired, who knows. We all have brain farts.
It's kind of a shame in my opinion, and I'm not being self-serving by saying this, that someone who does the right thing is called out as an attention seeker.
I suppose there's no way I can completely convince everyone here my intentions are good... but I know myself, and a few others seem to, so that's good enough.
Now I'm going to move on to the next challenge.
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08/10/2006 09:30:03 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
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It's kind of a shame in my opinion, and I'm not being self-serving by saying this, that someone who does the right thing is called out as an attention seeker.
I suppose there's no way I can completely convince everyone here my intentions are good... but I know myself, and a few others seem to, so that's good enough.
Now I'm going to move on to the next challenge. |
Jeff, it's like the photos we post... Some will love them and vote a 10; others will vote a 1. You just do what you believe is best. You can't please everyone.
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08/10/2006 09:31:50 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by deapee:
...not sure I'd believe him in either case.. |
Hey, the guy's a saint fercryinoutloud! I've made "illegal" touchups in the course of normal editing and had my wife remind me that it was a Basic editing challenge several times. Fortunately for me, the goofs have been caught before I entered them! |
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08/10/2006 09:32:00 AM · #29 |
I don't see what's so unbelievable about forgetting that a challenge is basic editing instead of advanced editing.
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08/10/2006 09:32:42 AM · #30 |
I have to say I'm beginning to see a truly disturbing amount of self-righteous witch-hunting on DPC lately; this thread is just one example of it. Another very recent example is the thread I started looking for an image I could buy for a design job I'm doing. This was an opportunity for a DPCer to make a little money off their work, and a couple of bozos decided to take off int he thread and criticize the author's premises, and MY integrity for doing a design job on a book the basic premise of which I don't agree with. What's the point of that? I asked SC to lock the thread not long after I started it, just so it wouldn't get out of control. Too bad...
But anyway, to Saintaugust: the guy made a booboo and called it on himself. Artyste has a point (up to a point anyway), but I can see the argument for making it public too, in the hopes that others who find themselves in the same boat will do the same thing. If nobody ever publicly owned up to this kind of thing, where would our examples be?
But these people who are saying we can't TRUST Saint's version of the story... I think this is really sad. I've entered a hell of a lot of challenges, and to the best of my recollection exactly this has happened to me twice. The only difference is, I caught it before the challenge closed, and was able to sub a basic-legal version of my image. Sometimes we DO "just forget", and only realize it later. Basic editing is actually a very UNnatural act for people well-versed in Photoshop.
Anyway, I wish everyone would just STOP with the finger-pointing and motive questioning already. Sheesh...
Robt.
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08/10/2006 09:36:04 AM · #31 |
Sigh!
This is a weird place as you are damned if you do and damned if you don't!
You know, I think it took some guts to hold a hand up and say "I goofed!" and I respect the captain immensely for that - kudos, Jeff.
I think it takes no guts at all to then come up with a variant of the conspiracy theory that I have seen on this thread and so many others. Not even sure that it takes much intelligence, either, but someone questions what Jeff did. Part of that was the DPC-wide nature of the thread, even though it was clearly labelled to team mediocre. Part of it was the "double negative" - ah! so you knew what you were doing but decided to confess before you were caught and seek atonement by going public! - sheesh!
Part of it is a lack of trust that seems to pervade our society, where we all (including me) feel the need to possibly question the motivations of an otherwise honourable-seeming initiative.
That is so sad to see and while I cannot condone the original questioning of Jeff's integrity in all of this, I am saddened to see I can understand why.
Onwards and upwards? |
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08/10/2006 09:39:32 AM · #32 |
To set the record straight.. I went out of my way to make sure I noted that I didn't think the OP was being self-serving on purpose.
Just being honest about how the timbre of the thread made me feel.
That is all.
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08/10/2006 09:44:47 AM · #33 |
Part of it is trust - take what Jeff had to say at face value. I believed him, and said thanks for having the fortitude for owning up to a mistake.
The other part is people jump in and make flamatory remarks without reading what's already been said. In this case I thought it was quite clear what happened, and why Jeff did what he did, by reading the original post.
edit to add, after reading Glen's post, I understand your point Glen and my comment about jumping in wasn't directed at you.
Message edited by author 2006-08-10 09:46:24.
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08/10/2006 10:31:56 AM · #34 |
if we are gonna sit here and say, "you shouldn't criticize his post" and then in the next breath say "he should be allowed to post", then everyone who says these things are hypocritical and counter-productive. You are at once saying "speak speak" and then to others say "but not that, that".
The point to all these theads is to encourage discussion, knowledge sharing, opinion tossing etc. I can sit here and simultaneously applaud correction, roll my eyes at the unneccesary public display, and agree with deapee wholeheartedly when he says, "The fact of the matter is that doing the right thing isn't a reason for praise. Doing the right thing should be expected from each and every one of us."
But please don't sit here and call other people self-righteous or out of line for offering just as much of a original thought as your own. Remember, whether you like or dislike what saintaugust said and did, their are positives and negatives to retain from it. And inside each one of us, there is a little alert that sounds off when we hear and see chest pumping, self-congratulations and the "look at me" comments. It just happens to be in this case that some people are sensing it and some people are not.
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08/10/2006 10:38:06 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by tumitumi:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
I had the basic-edited version in, then I decided it would be a good idea to 'dodge' a small part of it. |
From what I read here I understand it like he didn't realize that he was doing something illegal until the next morning. |
I dunno...I don't see how anyone that's been a member here since 2004 can accidentally dodge part of a photo for a basic editing challenge and not know they're doing something wrong. I suppose it's remotely possible, but I take what he said to mean that he had the basic editing in, decided it would be ok to just cheat 'a little bit' and then in the morning thought twice about what he was doing. |
Trust me on this one. :) I've been a member since 2002, and I still forget which challenges are which. Especially on the days when you can submit to both. (Wedn - Sund). |
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08/10/2006 10:39:06 AM · #36 |
To everyone that thinks they can tell me how to think: get over yourselves. I think how I think and I'm not afraid to share it. Never have been, never will be.
Anyway, what I thought happened was that he intentionally submitted the entry, thinking no one would notice and then suddenly had a change of heart. It wasn't clear in the original post. Like I said, I'd give him a chance to respond. He responded and based on what I read, I believe him.
Accidents happen and this seems to be just an accident. It would be nice to be able to come to my own conclusion without being railroaded for thinking a certain way. I'm not 'out to get' anyone by any means. I just feel that at times we're trying to play our game fairly here against a team full of cheaters. I'm not saying this particular case is a cheater, but I will be a bit of a skeptic when situations like this arise.
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08/10/2006 10:44:35 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by deapee:
I just feel that at times we're trying to play our game fairly here against a team full of cheaters. I'm not saying this particular case is a cheater, but I will be a bit of a skeptic when situations like this arise. |
i take this site seriously, I've invested a lot of time into it and met some good people.
and I am totally on your wavelength when you raise concerns about playing against cheaters.
I don't like cheating. and I don't see how anyone who wins by cheating can get satisfaction from it.
thanks for your input.
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08/10/2006 10:56:43 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by deapee:
I just feel that at times we're trying to play our game fairly here against a team full of cheaters. I'm not saying this particular case is a cheater, but I will be a bit of a skeptic when situations like this arise. |
i take this site seriously, I've invested a lot of time into it and met some good people.
and I am totally on your wavelength when you raise concerns about playing against cheaters.
I don't like cheating. and I don't see how anyone who wins by cheating can get satisfaction from it.
thanks for your input. |
No problem man...and like I said, I don't think you're a cheater. You made an accident and did the right thing by bringing it to the attention of the site council.
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08/10/2006 12:03:53 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
if we are gonna sit here and say, "you shouldn't criticize his post" and then in the next breath say "he should be allowed to post", then everyone who says these things are hypocritical and counter-productive. You are at once saying "speak speak" and then to others say "but not that, that".
The point to all these theads is to encourage discussion, knowledge sharing, opinion tossing etc. I can sit here and simultaneously applaud correction, roll my eyes at the unneccesary public display, and agree with deapee wholeheartedly when he says, "The fact of the matter is that doing the right thing isn't a reason for praise. Doing the right thing should be expected from each and every one of us."
But please don't sit here and call other people self-righteous or out of line for offering just as much of a original thought as your own. Remember, whether you like or dislike what saintaugust said and did, their are positives and negatives to retain from it. And inside each one of us, there is a little alert that sounds off when we hear and see chest pumping, self-congratulations and the "look at me" comments. It just happens to be in this case that some people are sensing it and some people are not. |
People felt critical about the op's motives/post and made comments about that. Others felt critical about their motives/post and made comments about that. You then asked people not to post such comments.
If we are going to argue that we should be able to post what we want then we need to allow others to do the same.
Message edited by author 2006-08-10 12:08:15. |
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08/10/2006 12:18:43 PM · #40 |
| I have gotten disqualified thrice in the last six entries, twice because I'm an idiot and didn't read the rules, and once because I realized I had violated the rules and called myself out on it. Didn't make me feel much better though. |
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08/10/2006 12:33:37 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by ohanapics:
If we are going to argue that we should be able to post what we want then we need to allow others to do the same. |
that is exactly my point. Post and let post.
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08/10/2006 01:20:10 PM · #42 |
Message edited by author 2006-08-10 13:21:51. |
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08/10/2006 02:38:35 PM · #43 |
well done that man!
if i had REALLY long arms i would give you a pat on the back for being so right and honest, i know the post was ment at us as a gesture to show how much you regret your mistake, not to try and promote how good a person you are.
Well boss there is no need you have already done your part for the team and made a mistake *shrug*
i'll see you in the mediocre thread after the next challange to say how close we were to winning ;)
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