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08/02/2006 08:44:38 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
hehe, unfortunately my Mennonite upbringing has left me very sensible with money. |
Thankfully I am not saddled with that 'problem' ~lol~ and so would be happy to help you spend your money!
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think I could maybe get $500 for my 300D (I could throw in my 80-200 consumer lens), so my outlay would be about $2000, which is still quite a bit of money. |
Granted, but I still think buying the 5D is your better option. You accomplish two goals that way: more megapixels for gallery considerations, as well as the full frame sensor for a wider field-of-view for landscape work. You've gotten your money's worth out of the Rebel, to be sure. Time to take the next step, in my opinion. (...I'm a bit envious, too!) |
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08/02/2006 08:52:51 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
And before we think I can just go out and "do it". Let's remember who I have to run this through...
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Then you should have started a thread called "Help me Convince the Mrs. That I need a 5D"
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Why is it that wives/partners take all the fun out of photography :-(
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08/02/2006 09:24:57 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by hotpasta:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
And before we think I can just go out and "do it". Let's remember who I have to run this through...
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Then you should have started a thread called "Help me Convince the Mrs. That I need a 5D"
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Why is it that wives/partners take all the fun out of photography :-( |
Mine has a 5d and I have a 30d. So she let me spend the money then takes the good stuff. At least I get to use it sometimes :) |
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08/02/2006 09:28:10 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
And before we think I can just go out and "do it". Let's remember who I have to run this through...
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You mean you'd tell her! |
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08/02/2006 10:28:19 PM · #30 |
i think you should buy the 1ds mark II... with that many megapixels we're talking 50 inch prints...
i think you need an upgrade. whether you go with the 5d, 20d, or 30d should be based on your interests.
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08/02/2006 10:39:50 PM · #31 |
My two bits.
Why don't you get another 17-40 or something similar that would be acceptable on a FF camera.
The 10-22 on a 300D is equivalent to around 16-35mm.
You wouldn't get the same with a 24-105 on a 5D and I feel that you would probably still be itching for something wider angle.
A 17-40 would cure both your itching for wide angle now to some extent and give you what you want when you do go for FF.
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 22:41:13. |
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08/02/2006 11:04:31 PM · #32 |
| I would suggest going the 5D route. Really there shouldn't be a choice here. Lacking a wider lens is not keeping you from getting into gallery but the MP are. Seems like a no brainer to me but of course it's not my money. :P |
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08/03/2006 10:27:55 AM · #33 |
| Which way are ya leanin' doc? |
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08/03/2006 10:39:54 AM · #34 |
FWIW, I have a 5D at the office that I used to borrow when I needed really wide angle. Ever since I got the 10-22, I haven't even considered bringing the 5D home. Even though the full frame camera is probably vastly superior, the 10-22 covers my needs just fine.
Also, I've seen the 5D on sale for $2399-$2499 on a regular basis (though not at the moment). If you do lean in that direction, it could be worth waiting a week or two for such a deal to pop up. |
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08/03/2006 10:40:55 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Do you think the 5D will come down quickly after the D80 is announced? Looking for opinions and of course people willing to "help" me spend my money... |
Absolutely not. There will be no effect on the 5D price whatsoever. It might drop, but not because of the D80.
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08/03/2006 10:46:30 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by edmeng:
Try this store geniuscameras
Friend of mine bought D200 for half the price I̢۪ve paid |
You GOTTA be kidding???? |
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08/03/2006 10:54:01 AM · #37 |
The D80 is a different animal and will not affect the price of the 5D. What will affect the price is the new crop of Cameras that Canon is due to announce sometime at the end of this month.
Canon already had a $300 rebate on the 5D that Expired in July and it brought down the price to around US$2399. Now if the gift card has no expiry date I'd wait to see what Canon brings out this month. |
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08/03/2006 11:10:35 AM · #38 |
I would wait till the end of the month and the latest news. I would also get the 5D. Seems to fit your needs both currently and in the future. Saving money is a GOOD thing. So is planning for your future. Of course the reason I got my first digital camera is that I shot 94 rolls of film in under 12 days on vacation. We paid for for film and developing then hotel rooms :-) So for me having a nice big expensive camera is a good buy. :-)
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08/03/2006 11:14:23 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
The D80 is a different animal and will not affect the price of the 5D. What will affect the price is the new crop of Cameras that Canon is due to announce sometime at the end of this month.
Canon already had a $300 rebate on the 5D that Expired in July and it brought down the price to around US$2399. Now if the gift card has no expiry date I'd wait to see what Canon brings out this month. |
I agree, all the signs are there for a new camera from Canon. Also, the 30D was hardly an upgrade form the 20D, so it is getting long in the tooth as well.
The question is, will what ever Canon comes out with in a non-FF sensor be good enough for his 30x40 requirement? I'm not sure the 10MP Nikon D200 would hold up. I've done some 20x30 with the 20D with great success, but that is a far cry from a 30x40.
Even in the old film days, I'm not sure the 35MM format with Kodachrome 25 would hold up. In those days we'd go with a medium format camera for the really big stuff. The real high-end Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II might be the only real option for prints that large. 30x40 is a very big print.
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08/03/2006 11:15:37 AM · #40 |
OK, the answer is I'm sitting pat right now (even though I'd like that 10-22). I didn't know Canon was announcing new stuff at the end of the month. That may help me. I also do want to watch for sales, although I've never seen below $2500.
The only thing I hate is that bodies do go obsolete while lenses tend to last nearly forever. That's a lot of money to spend on something that may only be good for 5ish years.
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08/03/2006 11:22:05 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
OK, the answer is I'm sitting pat right now (even though I'd like that 10-22). I didn't know Canon was announcing new stuff at the end of the month. That may help me. I also do want to watch for sales, although I've never seen below $2500.
The only thing I hate is that bodies do go obsolete while lenses tend to last nearly forever. That's a lot of money to spend on something that may only be good for 5ish years. |
true to a point but if you really want the larger megapixel for a gallery showing then those 5 years are a long time to be frustrated that you can't do what you want. don't make your patients suffer dealing with a frustrated DR:)
serioulsy though while lens can last much longer the one your looking at doesn't work for all cameras and you already have had thoughts of a full frame. so in the end that may not last longer than a few years before you go FF. BTW the 17-40L on the 5d is VERY nice.
Maybe canon will announce the 40D is a 12 MP with a APS-C sensor and all your prblems wil be solved:) |
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08/03/2006 11:42:30 AM · #42 |
| I think the key here is how much you expect from the gallery showing. Galleries are for sales which means getting the 5d is an investment that should pay itself off eventually. Without it, you can't put your stuff in the gallery and make money off of it. I agree, wait for a sale on the 5d (maybe when they come out with something new), and jump on it. The 10-22 won't work for you unless they come out with a 12mp 1.6 crop. |
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08/03/2006 12:18:16 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
OK, the answer is I'm sitting pat right now (even though I'd like that 10-22). I didn't know Canon was announcing new stuff at the end of the month. That may help me. I also do want to watch for sales, although I've never seen below $2500.
The only thing I hate is that bodies do go obsolete while lenses tend to last nearly forever. That's a lot of money to spend on something that may only be good for 5ish years. |
You buy one and I will. I've ordered it about 5 times from B&H and then I can't hit the submit button. I almost did once when there was a $300 rebate but I chickened out again. I would like the 24-105 F/4L IS before I upgrade my camera but I can't seem to hit the submit button on that either.
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08/03/2006 12:27:56 PM · #44 |
The 5D and D80 are not competing models, so no, I don't think the price will some down.
Also, teh 5D is likely to replaced very soon - there was a rebate on it and canon always does that before they replace the body...
Get a 30D, which might be affected priceswise, and get teh 10-22. Same camera as the 5D but with a smaller sensor and a smaller price. You'll be good for a couple of years easy.
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08/03/2006 12:29:56 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Get a 30D, which might be affected priceswise, and get teh 10-22. Same camera as the 5D but with a smaller sensor and a smaller price. You'll be good for a couple of years easy. |
as per above, 8MP isn't worth the upgrade to me...I was so hoping the 30D was going to be 10MP.
Message edited by author 2006-08-03 12:30:21.
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08/03/2006 12:37:29 PM · #46 |
Doc,
you take no notice, don't bother with the 5D my friend.
what you actually need is to buy your wife a nice present.
we don't nee Doc getting any better equip, he's too good already
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08/03/2006 12:53:12 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Get a 30D, which might be affected priceswise, and get teh 10-22. Same camera as the 5D but with a smaller sensor and a smaller price. You'll be good for a couple of years easy. |
as per above, 8MP isn't worth the upgrade to me...I was so hoping the 30D was going to be 10MP. |
I upgraded from a 300D to a 30D.
Yes, it is very much so a worthwhile upgrade. It about more than MP - lower noise, faster FPS, bigger buffer, better AF system, will AF in lower light, bigger LCD, picture styles, custom functions, more metering options and lots more little things like the wheel on the back, the buttons and LCD on top, build quality, etc, etc, etc.
if you need large prints how large are you printing? The 30D is 30% more pixels and lower noise with a better AF system.
the price diff between a 30D and 5D is $1400 or so. Get a 30D and some good glass and you'll be farther ahead than a 5D and so-so glass. The quality of the glass matters more as the print size increases.
the 10-22 I hear is L quality, but canon wont designate EF-S lenses as L. And it's 16-34 on a 30D - a good deal wider than the 24-105 will be on a 5D.
If I was you I'd wait a month and see what's coming. Rumours are just that, but they are:
3000D - a $500 dLSR
5D upgrade, probably nothing major but who knows.
1D mk2n replacement, called a 3D
MF body
A couple of new lenses
Most of those rumours have very little behind them, but who knows. With what Sony has released and how inexpensive the entry class of dLSRs are I think Canon must respond, or perhaps they just want to sit there and be the 'luxury brand' of cameras?
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08/03/2006 01:24:08 PM · #48 |
a medium format body from canon? are you for serious?!!? that'd be frigging sweet!
edit: new line of lenses @_@
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08/03/2006 01:29:03 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
a medium format body from canon? are you for serious?!!? that'd be frigging sweet! |
It's one rumour I read in a magazine. If canon wants to stay the high end brand, why not?
I want a square sensor in my 30D - Why not? No more portrait or landscape! The image circle the lens throws can cover the long dimension both ways, so a 16mp 'full frame' should be feasible with existing lenses, 5D sensor density, and 10-12 mp at 1.6 crop.
the 3000D is a rumour left over from before PMA, but nothing was shown then. perhaps going into christmas...
the 1Dn replacement rumour i see often, but some canon exec said the 1.3x crop is a dead end
the 5D replacement is my rumour, as it's only been 12 months onthe market and canon's product cycle is more like 18 months.
But since the 5D was a surprise when it arrived I would not be surprised by a new surprise.
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08/03/2006 02:27:18 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I upgraded from a 300D to a 30D.
Yes, it is very much so a worthwhile upgrade. It about more than MP - lower noise, faster FPS, bigger buffer, better AF system, will AF in lower light, bigger LCD, picture styles, custom functions, more metering options and lots more little things like the wheel on the back, the buttons and LCD on top, build quality, etc, etc, etc.
if you need large prints how large are you printing? The 30D is 30% more pixels and lower noise with a better AF system.
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Read the post...I'm printing 30x40 for galleries and I'm competing with people who shoot medium format and scan. 8MP will not cut it no matter how much I want it to.
I will pretty well only buy L-glass, so we agree there.
Message edited by author 2006-08-03 14:29:21.
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