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08/01/2006 09:12:09 AM · #1 |
I was reading a book written by Rick Sammon when I came across the statement that professional photographers never show thier outtakes.
Its something I kind of have been doing since I first started with photography, not because I consider myself to be a professional, but because I didnt want people to see the stuff that I took that really really sucked. Probably 80-90% of the pictures I take, im very critical of my own work :(
Do you guys agree that you should never show your outtakes? |
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08/01/2006 09:13:52 AM · #2 |
Completely. Atleast not to customers. Its okay to share the ottakes and crap with you guys though lol
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08/01/2006 09:14:27 AM · #3 |
Agreed strongly...
I think photos especially good ones, should stay in our mind the way they are...
I don't think I ever gonna show my out takes. |
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08/01/2006 09:15:28 AM · #4 |
100% agree.
And 100% agree with id, you guys get to see all my craptography - aren't you special! :)
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08/01/2006 09:17:50 AM · #5 |
100% agree I don't even like to show before and after processing and I don't like to see other peoples before and after.
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08/01/2006 09:27:02 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Completely. Atleast not to customers. Its okay to share the ottakes and crap with you guys though lol |
I agree. ...It's like marriage. When I was dating my future wife, I never let her see me without my hair combed or without being clad in my sexiest garb (?!). ...Today (MANY years after she was sold...) she knows me for the slob I am. |
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08/01/2006 09:32:41 AM · #7 |
| do you mean different editing on 1 photo with "outtakes"? |
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08/01/2006 11:46:01 AM · #8 |
What about outtakes that didn't suck.
Maybe on some takes there were many possibilities/alternates.
Different compositions, angles, colors, etc.
I have found that many of my outakes, with more time spent on Post Processing, were even much better than the ones I hastely submitted.
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08/01/2006 12:04:56 PM · #9 |
My very first step after downloading to the computer is to sort and delete 80% of my shots. That leaves me with the tag_1, from that I go through and pick the best. From there a save the tag_1 and copy of the best, then delete the tag_1 from my hard-drive. I am now left with 10% of the original images and those I will show. I am still working on being brutal between tag_1 and best but with time it will come.
for example: //edmonton.photographycentral.net/july212006/
Really should not have more then one takin (looks like a cross between a mountain goat and a moose) and one kangaroo (ok it is a not really a kangaroo just a relative). And these are straight from camera and before putting them up I should post-process... but I haven't quite gotten to the point of being that "professional" If I was looking to make my living on photography everything would have to be polished and tight.
Message edited by author 2006-08-01 12:10:41.
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08/01/2006 12:10:25 PM · #10 |
I prob wouldn't show outtakes either other than my fireworks shots, But I had planned on putting them in my portfolio regardless.
I will post a challenge entry re-edited after the challenge has ended, especially if I did a bad job on the challenge edit, I do this mostly to make myself happy, but to show others what the shot should have looked like.
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08/01/2006 12:10:39 PM · #11 |
Never to a regular paying client.
I do however show outtakes to my friends so that they understand how much work goes into those 'Hey, can you swing by the house for SmallFries birthday party with 25 1st graders? Just a couple of pics, I just want a couple of good ones." shots. Actually sitting them down and showing them the process has cut down a great deal on the "I'm your friend and I want a freebie" calls.
Im a horrible outtake saver though. I never delete anything I might be able to use later...
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08/01/2006 12:11:33 PM · #12 |
For gigs, customers never see photos I don't like. I don't delete them, but when I'm going through the images, I move the "bad" photos to a seperate folder that I don't process.
One reason they never see them is that I don't want a customer to fall in love with a shot that is soft-focused or something,because she likes the expression on her face.
I find a lot with the ladies, that they will settle for less than perfect photography if the photo is flattering. But, I don't want that kind of work going out.
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08/01/2006 12:14:01 PM · #13 |
| I can certainly understand why a professional would not make outtakes available for clients or future clients, but I have learned a lot from seeing outtakes and before-and-after shots here. As this is a learning site, I hope this type of learning will not go away. |
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08/01/2006 12:16:36 PM · #14 |
| Gee, it seems to me that a lot of traditional photographers -- like those who shoot headshots for actors -- typically make up a contact sheet of all the exposures and let the cusomer pick which ones they wanted printed. |
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08/01/2006 12:29:00 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Gee, it seems to me that a lot of traditional photographers -- like those who shoot headshots for actors -- typically make up a contact sheet of all the exposures and let the cusomer pick which ones they wanted printed. |
I work(ed) mostly with convenience labs for 35mm work... proofs were 4x6 prints... I often chucked photos I didn't like before the client ever saw them.
I was probably a bit more careful with film, but now with digital I shoot more photos per session and have the luxury of throwing away more shots.
Quantity over quality? Or is quantity giving me more chances of quality? Or perhaps, I'm experimenting more?
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