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07/31/2006 02:32:31 PM · #451 |
Wow. This thread was started, what, some 14 hours ago, and it already has a million posts!
The person I feel for is Southern Gentleman - he has that nice collage of first 500 ribbons that he'll have to redo now.
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07/31/2006 02:32:48 PM · #452 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Guys, we need to respect that this is a diverse community. As such people will have a wide range of opinions and feelings on the matter. |
Well, and we certainly have a right to respond to those opinions I guess. As Robert pointed out, it's good to air it all out. |
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07/31/2006 02:33:27 PM · #453 |
I was one who "benefited" by moving from fourth to third as a result of this activity. Makes no difference to me because in addition to Rikki's, the original first, fourth and sixth were all DQ'd. I do have to say though that I never understood why Rikki's image was third in that challenge. I mean, it was OK, but not third worthy, IMO.
Regardless, I am saddened that this happened, but not surprized that it did (not this individual specifically). |
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07/31/2006 02:35:26 PM · #454 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by blemt:
Guys, we need to respect that this is a diverse community. As such people will have a wide range of opinions and feelings on the matter. |
Well, and we certainly have a right to respond to those opinions I guess. As Robert pointed out, it's good to air it all out. |
Totally! Just keep in mind the need to do so in a polite and respectful manner. :) |
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07/31/2006 02:36:40 PM · #455 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
...the answer has always been to vote slightly beyond the 20% minimum to make sure your votes don't get tossed out. I see no reason to change it now. |
Accounting for the flaw is not as good as correcting it. The point is to keep honest, valid votes from being discarded on one image just because an unrelated entry is DQ'd. |
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07/31/2006 02:36:57 PM · #456 |
i think a big deal would be made no matter what. but as for betrayal? I feel betrayed because it was "Rikki". alot of people here respected him, trusted him, and liked him alot. Not saying that we dont still feel that way but yes, we do feel betrayed. I cant speak for anyone else but i am in complete shock that he would do this, considering his reputation around here. There are just certain people on here and everywhere else in the world that have influences on us and him along with some other well known names at this site. For example, if you take an average joe and have them commit the same crime as a celebrity (or power figure), the amount of anger and deceipt is always different. My point is that I would be angry no matter who did it, but not to this extent. Because those of us who interacted with Rikki are taking it personal and thats part of how its betrayal.
Originally posted by bseifipour:
Personally, I think everyone needs to relax. Did anyone really think this kind of thing never has happened before? People are acting like a nuclear bomb went off.
"People have been affected by this, and the thread provides an outlet to work out their anger and sense of betrayal."
I mean really, sense of betrayal? You people take this too seriously, and instead of dwelling on it, trust that SC will do their jobs and handle this now and also in the future.
If you have suggestions about cheating, open a new thread. |
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 14:39:06.
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07/31/2006 02:39:00 PM · #457 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
i think the point is that revealing your entry isn't technically against the rules (it's against the FORUM rules, but that's another matter). however, revealing your entry for the purposes of skewing another user's vote IS against the rules. |
I guess I internalized the forum rules, trying not to influence others, and my own ideas of what makes for fair votes and came up with my own rule to not show any voters my entry before or during a challenge. I prefer not knowing whose photo I am voting on, and want others to vote on my photos without knowing it is mine. |
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07/31/2006 03:02:03 PM · #458 |
Originally posted by klstover:
People use good judgement to do the right thing. And bad (defective) judgement to do the wrong thing.
And for goodness sake, of COURSE some people are going to feel betrayed. Some people have invested a lot of emotional energy in this site and community. |
A couple of quotes that came to mind.
"Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment." Mullah Nasrudin, the Sufi sage/fool (born c. 1208)
"In judging others, we condemn ourselves." St. Mathew
What Rikki did was wrong, he knows it and has admitted his error. In his being caught out, no one is a hurt by his actions as he is. |
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07/31/2006 03:05:40 PM · #459 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
"Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment." |
I don't know. Experience comes from all sorts of things, good and bad. This saying is like saying that you don't know what marriage is all about until you've had a couple divorces, and I don't agree with that. |
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07/31/2006 03:05:44 PM · #460 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
A couple of quotes that came to mind.
"Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment." Mullah Nasrudin, the Sufi sage/fool (born c. 1208)
"In judging others, we condemn ourselves." St. Mathew
What Rikki did was wrong, he knows it and has admitted his error. In his being caught out, no one is a hurt by his actions as he is. |
Good post. :) |
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07/31/2006 03:09:37 PM · #461 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
i think a big deal would be made no matter what. but as for betrayal? I feel betrayed because it was "Rikki". alot of people here respected him, trusted him, and liked him alot. Not saying that we dont still feel that way but yes, we do feel betrayed. I cant speak for anyone else but i am in complete shock that he would do this, considering his reputation around here. There are just certain people on here and everywhere else in the world that have influences on us and him along with some other well known names at this site. For example, if you take an average joe and have them commit the same crime as a celebrity (or power figure), the amount of anger and deceipt is always different. My point is that I would be angry no matter who did it, but not to this extent. Because those of us who interacted with Rikki are taking it personal and thats part of how its betrayal. |
I think that's exactly right. And here's something else to chew on: to a large measure, Rikki's "status" on the site was due to his astonishing ribbon run. I know he was a very friendly, helpful member, but we've seen over and over again that those who win a LOT of ribbons quickly attract a following and gain a lot of status in this little world, and their opinions are really listened to. It's only human nature.
So, to some extent, Rikki's popularity, his connections to people, seems to have been founded on a lie. I think this is where the "betrayal" comes in; if he'd been someone less looked up to, this wouldn't sting so bad.
R.
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07/31/2006 03:19:59 PM · #462 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I think that's exactly right. And here's something else to chew on: to a large measure, Rikki's "status" on the site was due to his astonishing ribbon run. I know he was a very friendly, helpful member, but we've seen over and over again that those who win a LOT of ribbons quickly attract a following and gain a lot of status in this little world, and their opinions are really listened to. It's only human nature.
R. |
May I use this an the reason no one listens to me?;) |
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07/31/2006 03:21:48 PM · #463 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
"Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment." |
I don't know. Experience comes from all sorts of things, good and bad. This saying is like saying that you don't know what marriage is all about until you've had a couple divorces, and I don't agree with that. |
I don't think the bad experience has to be you own to improve your judgment, I see the way some couples attack and demean each other, and I think "I must never do that to my wife." Some peolpe live thier lives as ligthouses guideing us along our path, others are bouies warning us to steer clear of them.
There might be some folks on the site who are dabbling with sharing their their submitions with freinds, who will learn from this thread, and see where that path leads, and decide to go another way. They will have increased their ability to make good judgments based on seeing the results of another's bad judgment.
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 15:24:27. |
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07/31/2006 03:31:55 PM · #464 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I think that's exactly right. And here's something else to chew on: to a large measure, Rikki's "status" on the site was due to his astonishing ribbon run. I know he was a very friendly, helpful member, but we've seen over and over again that those who win a LOT of ribbons quickly attract a following and gain a lot of status in this little world, and their opinions are really listened to. It's only human nature.
R. |
May I use this an the reason no one listens to me?;) |
Did you say something? :) |
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07/31/2006 03:40:11 PM · #465 |
Originally posted by JOHNBOY1970:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I think that's exactly right. And here's something else to chew on: to a large measure, Rikki's "status" on the site was due to his astonishing ribbon run. I know he was a very friendly, helpful member, but we've seen over and over again that those who win a LOT of ribbons quickly attract a following and gain a lot of status in this little world, and their opinions are really listened to. It's only human nature.
R. |
May I use this an the reason no one listens to me?;) |
Did you say something? :) |
ROFLMAO! I knew it! |
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07/31/2006 03:54:35 PM · #466 |
I think Rikki and anyone else who cheat and undermind the values that others on this site hold highly should be banned for life. A year is just not enough.
Message edited by GeneralE - Expressing opinions is OK -- name-calling is not. |
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07/31/2006 04:04:24 PM · #467 |
| I think it should come down to if he knew his friends were voting. If he knew (and I find it hard to believe that 30 people would keep their participation a secret) perhaps he is getting off too easy. If he really did not know and only thought he was sharing his passion then a year is long enough. |
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07/31/2006 04:05:55 PM · #468 |
Originally posted by ggbudge:
Originally posted by colyla:
Especially when you look in past (Ghost Account) threads |
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That thread proves he knew what he was doing was wrong and was beginning to worry that there might be a way to trace the ghost accounts. |
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07/31/2006 04:08:07 PM · #469 |
Originally posted by Faye Pekas:
Originally posted by ggbudge:
Originally posted by colyla:
Especially when you look in past (Ghost Account) threads |
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That thread proves he knew what he was doing was wrong and was beginning to worry that there might be a way to trace the ghost accounts. |
Actually my understanding from reading is that the ghost accounts started AFTER that thread. SC, please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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07/31/2006 04:09:47 PM · #470 |
I wonder too now if he is the only one. . . .maybe a thorough check of a few other multi-ribbon winners who win mostly open challenges should be looked at ????? Probably just being overly suspicious and untrusting :(
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07/31/2006 04:11:17 PM · #471 |
My bad!
....but I still think they are a bunch of "£*$&^(*>
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07/31/2006 04:11:33 PM · #472 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Originally posted by Faye Pekas:
Originally posted by ggbudge:
Originally posted by colyla:
Especially when you look in past (Ghost Account) threads |
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That thread proves he knew what he was doing was wrong and was beginning to worry that there might be a way to trace the ghost accounts. |
Actually my understanding from reading is that the ghost accounts started AFTER that thread. SC, please correct me if I'm wrong. |
Or he was doing "research" beforehand. It's impossible to say what the real situation was.
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 16:14:43. |
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07/31/2006 04:13:43 PM · #473 |
With all the recalculations....how long will it take to find out the new results?
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07/31/2006 04:17:32 PM · #474 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
If he really did not know and only thought he was sharing his passion then a year is long enough. |
I don't understand this. If in the intrest of encouraging intrest in photograpy, he showed his freinds his shots before a challenge, and he did not encourage them to vote, then a year ban is "long enough"? Am I missing something? If that was the case why would he be punished at all?
How would the site be served by banning anyone for more than a year? |
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07/31/2006 04:18:31 PM · #475 |
Well with everyone throwing in their 2 cents I'll throw in mine.
First of all I guess I'm not surprised, as for some people, their reassurance in the fact that they are a good photographer comes strictly from DPC voting. I think this was the case here, as images tried to cater to the crowd, and I think it was obvious with Rikki that the intention was often to please the DPC voters.
It's a bummer to hear about such a thing, but in the end, this is an online community, I hope no one feels significantly hurt (though I can understand if they do) as people online and people in real life are often quite different.
It's best to just go on with things, and the person with the most problems here is the culprit, who had to resort to cheating to show himself that he was a good photographer, and who, in the end knows deep down that the validation is not legitimate.
It's a bummer but no need for hostility. Time to move on. |
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