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07/31/2006 09:44:17 AM · #326 |
| So why was the mushroom photo disqualified? I thought only the open challenge photos where to be disqualified? |
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07/31/2006 09:46:21 AM · #327 |
Originally posted by dleach:
So why was the mushroom photo disqualified? I thought only the open challenge photos where to be disqualified? |
it was inadvertenly caught up in the storm. and we're debating it now.
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 09:46:34. |
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07/31/2006 09:46:53 AM · #328 |
Here is a story I would like to share.
After he bumped up from third place to second place in abstract food challenge, I sent him a PM congratulating his second place. He wrote me back saying that he didn't like how he got the second place, because 1st placed DQed. I told him that he deserves the second place, because if techo knew before what he knows know, big chance he (Rikki) would be in second place anyway... I tried to comfort him (I kept the PMs)
I like Rikki's photos. If he is reading this post, I suggest him to come back in a year, and fresh start... There is nothing wrong with fresh starts, and I am SURE he won't do the same mistake (or similar) again.
He also one of my inspirers here.
Again, good work for SCs.
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07/31/2006 09:49:13 AM · #329 |
2. Do not allow voting until the person has submitted three photos in challenges. This allows time to learn the site and see how others vote. This also elimates in-part the friend and workmate voting. If you want to be a part of dpc then take some pics and submit them. Vote only or thread discussion only is not contributing to the photography learning.
I have been with this site for quite some time, but only started submitting to challenges recently. That does not mean that I didn't learn here, and I hope that at least some of the time my votes and comments have been helpful. It was just a matter of time for me, working on a master's degree, husband...life just got too busy to submit for challenges. Also, I was a huge chicken s**t! LOL While I still feel my images are below the curve here, I am now more comfortable submitting, and plan to submit more in the near future. Also, I personally feel that it would be better to lurk for a bit before jumping in to submitting challenges...but that is just my opinion. Don't discount someones value, opinion or worth just because they haven't submitted a challenge!
Lastly...I was raised in a family where one of the worst things that you could do was to lie or cheat. I do not think Rikki should be allowed back. There has to be a serious price to pay for this type of thing...not just a slap on the wrist. I know a year is a long time...but how would we ever know that it wasn't happening again? |
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07/31/2006 10:07:43 AM · #330 |
I agree...I wouldn't let him back.
It's all pretty twisted and we are only talking about virtual Ribbons but for me winning one was worth more than money at that point in time. These days I'd rather have money but then, being on the front page and recieving nearly 8000 views was an exhilerating experience that many people were robbed of.
Trust in some cases is worth more than money especially here at DPC. What else do we have? |
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07/31/2006 10:11:10 AM · #331 |
Originally posted by colyla:
I just find it peculiar that people feel sorry for Rikki as well. |
Maybe because the whole situation was so pointless? His photos could have scored highly on their own, so while I'm outraged, I can't help but feel sorry for him (even if he brought it upon himself). |
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07/31/2006 10:14:30 AM · #332 |
do you think he would really come back? Would you? even if you did come back and become sucessful again, if you got a ribbon, everybody would be asking "how did he cheat this time?" and "we never should have let him back" I think that discussion is mute. He will always have a scarlet letter here. I kind of feel bad for him, but he shouldn't have done what he did.
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07/31/2006 10:18:55 AM · #333 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by muckpond:
... the voting pattern of the "ghost" accounts looked COMPLETELY normal ...
... it could quite likely alter challenge standings for the last year or so -- to a much greater extent than the few incidents we've already seen. |
How could the voting be "COMPLETELY normal", yet have such an impact on so many challenges. So basically, the results for the "last year or so" are kind of bogus? |
meaning that with the exception of one of their votes, they voted along a bell curve that is very similar to most others. |
Ok. I'll give you that point on the bell curve, but consider this; if you went to the lengths needed to setup/organize multiple accounts (via friends, etc...) in order to dish out high scores to a select image, don't you think actions would be taken to hide this activity? How to hide? Use a full range of scores randomly until you've met the 20% requirement.
So, the votes can appear to be a bell curve - but they don't mean a thing if honest thought wasn't put behind the votes.
This is the same guy that inquired about ghost accounts in a thread he started - yes? |
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07/31/2006 10:19:01 AM · #334 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
How could the voting be "COMPLETELY normal", yet have such an impact on so many challenges. |
Simply because there were many of them. If you took out 20-30 votes from the most honest voters around, there would still be LOTS of changes in every challenge due to natural variances in voting. That doesn't mean those votes were bogus. As noted several times, the ONLY unusual votes here were an abnormal number of 10's on Rikki's entries. |
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07/31/2006 10:20:35 AM · #335 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Use a full range of scores randomly until you've met the 20% requirement. |
Random votes don't yield a bell curve. |
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07/31/2006 10:24:50 AM · #336 |
unless you can read the minds of the ghost voters, it's impossible to make this claim. I don't think anything should be done, I just don't understand how you know the different between someone who wanted to give a 10 and only gave a 6 or 7 compared to someone who just wanted to give a 6 or 7.
Originally posted by scalvert:
the ONLY unusual votes here were an abnormal number of 10's on Rikki's entries. |
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 10:26:08. |
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07/31/2006 10:25:07 AM · #337 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Use a full range of scores randomly until you've met the 20% requirement. |
Random votes don't yield a bell curve. |
The point I was making is if he/they were sneaky enough to generate this much behind the scenes activity, they were probably sneaky enough to vote in a pattern that would hide (i.e. not flag) their cheating ways. |
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07/31/2006 10:33:02 AM · #338 |
Bear in mind that a lot of debate and number crunching went into whether to toss the extra votes. A pile of extra 10's makes a big difference on one entry, but voting only 20% of randomly selected entries means that only a few of these voters would have affected others. As Muckpond noted, those voters tended to be generous in their scoring. Tossing all the suspect votes would have a negligible impact on other scores (probably lowering them), and would likely result in only very slight placement shifts throughout the Open challenges. Not worth the hassle considering we don't KNOW the other votes given weren't fair and reasoned.
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 10:35:40. |
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07/31/2006 10:33:18 AM · #339 |
Wow.
Rikki,
Apology accepted. I am saddened for you and wish you well.
Ray
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07/31/2006 10:34:45 AM · #340 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
... Not worth the hassle. |
Ok-dokie. ;^) |
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07/31/2006 10:36:40 AM · #341 |
| Where's that kick smiley, Barry? I qualified it. ;-P |
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07/31/2006 10:39:47 AM · #342 |
First ... I do NOT know Rikki, he is not my friend;
Don't all think it's really past time to stop the Rikki this and that. I've seen far too many persoanl scathing remarks that delve completely past DPC and into areas that this shows how dishonest he is in all parts of his life. Thanks ridiculous and serves no purpose here at DPC. The freedom to voice opinions is good, slander and libel is not.
If ya'll do a search not too long ago, the middle of July 2007, there was a member who asked DPC'rs to go to a newpaper site and vote his fireworks photo up so he could win a prize ... MONEY. I give no names, I think I even responded and had trouble getting to the site to look at the pics. SO how many of the fine DPC members helped vote up a photo so someone could make hundred bucks? Isn't that worse than helping someone win bragging rights at DPC? This isn't the only example of requests from DPC members to others here to vote in various other contests so they can win.
Stop throwing stones at one individual, there are dozens if not hundreds of others that have done similar things here or at other photog sites.
The issue should be an immediate change of rules that will curtain, to some extent, it happening here again. |
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07/31/2006 10:41:30 AM · #343 |
It is very sad that some one would not understand the fun and aim of this site, I am always amazed by the pathological mind that can accept success or acceptance by cheating or misleading.. What kind of reality they live, how can they accept it?
I do not feel personally attacked by this person Rikki, but i after pulling such a grand scam I would take such an apology with a kilo of salt
I mean it is easy to say the right thing, if anything a second chance would be the only way for him to prove his regret.. how ever how do you manage a second chance when trust has been broken? I think the SC has take the right decision
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07/31/2006 10:42:26 AM · #344 |
Oh, wow. I'm too new to really know anyone, but Rikki's is in my favourites folder. He didn't need to cheat to be a good photographer. Even if it meant not getting so many ribbons under his belt, he would still have been a winner as far as his work went. I like his work anyway, and I'm sure many others genuinely do, too.
I don't blame anyone for being hurt and angry about cheats, and I've never thought cheating was winning anyway, but I really do feel bad for him and hope he is okay.
I guess in many ways, we live in a cheats' culture - just look at sports and politics! I know it's no excuse, but sometimes the pressure-cookers of life can make people lose their integrity as they search for ongoing validation to themselves and to those who they admire. *sigh*
Anyway, I hope he's okay. Because he'll be the one hurting the most. It's a tough lesson. |
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07/31/2006 10:43:23 AM · #345 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
First ... I do NOT know Rikki, he is not my friend;
Don't all think it's really past time to stop the Rikki this and that. I've seen far too many persoanl scathing remarks that delve completely past DPC and into areas that this shows how dishonest he is in all parts of his life. Thanks ridiculous and serves no purpose here at DPC. The freedom to voice opinions is good, slander and libel is not.
If ya'll do a search not too long ago, the middle of July 2007, there was a member who asked DPC'rs to go to a newpaper site and vote his fireworks photo up so he could win a prize ... MONEY. I give no names, I think I even responded and had trouble getting to the site to look at the pics. SO how many of the fine DPC members helped vote up a photo so someone could make hundred bucks? Isn't that worse than helping someone win bragging rights at DPC? This isn't the only example of requests from DPC members to others here to vote in various other contests so they can win.
Stop throwing stones at one individual, there are dozens if not hundreds of others that have done similar things here or at other photog sites.
The issue should be an immediate change of rules that will curtain, to some extent, it happening here again. |
if i recall correctly the person did not mention which one was his/her photo, only requested people to vote
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07/31/2006 10:49:28 AM · #346 |
Actually, the prize money for that competition was designed to generate web views. If not, they would have made the voting process so there could only be one vote from any particular computer. This is not anywhere near the same thing as the subject of this thread.
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
First ... I do NOT know Rikki, he is not my friend;
Don't all think it's really past time to stop the Rikki this and that. I've seen far too many persoanl scathing remarks that delve completely past DPC and into areas that this shows how dishonest he is in all parts of his life. Thanks ridiculous and serves no purpose here at DPC. The freedom to voice opinions is good, slander and libel is not.
If ya'll do a search not too long ago, the middle of July 2007, there was a member who asked DPC'rs to go to a newpaper site and vote his fireworks photo up so he could win a prize ... MONEY. I give no names, I think I even responded and had trouble getting to the site to look at the pics. SO how many of the fine DPC members helped vote up a photo so someone could make hundred bucks? Isn't that worse than helping someone win bragging rights at DPC? This isn't the only example of requests from DPC members to others here to vote in various other contests so they can win.
Stop throwing stones at one individual, there are dozens if not hundreds of others that have done similar things here or at other photog sites.
The issue should be an immediate change of rules that will curtain, to some extent, it happening here again. |
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07/31/2006 10:52:02 AM · #347 |
Originally posted by Pano:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
First ... I do NOT know Rikki, he is not my friend;
Don't all think it's really past time to stop the Rikki this and that. I've seen far too many persoanl scathing remarks that delve completely past DPC and into areas that this shows how dishonest he is in all parts of his life. Thanks ridiculous and serves no purpose here at DPC. The freedom to voice opinions is good, slander and libel is not.
If ya'll do a search not too long ago, the middle of July 2007, there was a member who asked DPC'rs to go to a newpaper site and vote his fireworks photo up so he could win a prize ... MONEY. I give no names, I think I even responded and had trouble getting to the site to look at the pics. SO how many of the fine DPC members helped vote up a photo so someone could make hundred bucks? Isn't that worse than helping someone win bragging rights at DPC? This isn't the only example of requests from DPC members to others here to vote in various other contests so they can win.
Stop throwing stones at one individual, there are dozens if not hundreds of others that have done similar things here or at other photog sites.
The issue should be an immediate change of rules that will curtain, to some extent, it happening here again. |
if i recall correctly the person did not mention which one was his/her photo, only requested people to vote |
And the site also allowed multiple votes, so evidently they had no problem with that. I went to that site to look but did not vote. If I did, it would have been on the best picture, IMO.
The situation here is entirely different. |
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07/31/2006 10:56:19 AM · #348 |
I'd like to propose that any new ribbon winning images be placed on the Front Page somewhere for a week so for those and in particular, the members that have never won a Ribbon can get the glory, viewing, favorites, extra comment benefits that they deserved and were robbed of.
For the record this is a selfless proposal. |
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07/31/2006 10:57:53 AM · #349 |
Don't all think it's really past time to stop the Rikki this and that. I've seen far too many persoanl scathing remarks that delve completely past DPC and into areas that this shows how dishonest he is in all parts of his life. Thanks ridiculous and serves no purpose here at DPC. The freedom to voice opinions is good, slander and libel is not.
I am totally new to DPC and dont know Rikki but still i am in complete agreement with Phantom here....What's done is done...Move on and stop crucifying Rikki because it isnt going to do anyone any good by just cursing him
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 10:58:34. |
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07/31/2006 10:58:39 AM · #350 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'd like to propose that any new ribbon winning images be placed on the Front Page somewhere for a week so for those and in particular, the members that have never won a Ribbon can get the glory, viewing, favorites, extra comment benefits that they deserved and were robbed of.
For the record this is a selfless proposal. |
Great idea! |
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