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03/18/2006 04:57:57 PM · #26
I now ordered a LaCie 321. I should get it next week or so...
I'll come back to let you know what I think about it.

Cheers!
04/06/2006 12:30:58 PM · #27
Well, I finally got my new screen: LaCie 321.
It took forever to get (supposedly, the original package got "lost" in the mail).

I've only been using it for 24 hours and so far I really like it. The colors are very accurate once the monitor has been properly calibrated with a spider. The contrast range is very nice and viewing the photos on this new puppy feels just right.

I still have to get used to the fonts though. It's hard to describe, but they don't show up like my old CRT. Anyone who uses a desktop LCD or Laptop will know what I mean. I have installed Microsoft Powertoys ClearType Tuning which supposedly helps with the fonts. It does help. But it's not perfect.

That said, it's incredible how gentle the LCD is on the eyes. And the image of the LaCie 321 is so crisp, it makes my second monitor (Samsung LCD) look a bit blury. ;-)

The colors seem slighlty more vibrant on the LaCie 321 than they were on my CRT, but I assume this is general to all LCD's and the way they project the images on the screen. Nothing to be alarmed of.

I still nee to test working on images and printing them after to see how close i am to the final product, but so far I am very happy with this purchase. I hope I will get used to the fonts,e specially when I work in INDESIGN CS2. More to folow on that experience.

It cost me an arm and a leg to purchase this screen, but my eyes are already thankful I did.

Thanks to everyone for the suggetions and input on my new purchase.

Cheers!
04/06/2006 12:41:23 PM · #28
Why did you decide against the eizo?

I'm looking at both monitors.
04/06/2006 01:48:51 PM · #29
Originally posted by zeuszen:



I work with both CRT and LCD (Apple Cinema Display) and value the CRT as much as many pros who continue to use them. CRTs may represent an older technology but not necessarily a crappy experience.

As a matter of fact, the only thing that would motivate me to purchase another LCD monitor is screen size.


and the fact they don't make CRTs anymore!

I am saving for one now...I can't afford a cost is no object solution. BestBuy had an LG with a 1400:1 contrast ratio for $329 (17" i think).
I'd like to run my old monitor too for palettes and such, but i'd need a new vid card, and they require a newer power supply than my PC has...so I'm probably looking at a whole new system...
04/06/2006 02:29:01 PM · #30
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


I am saving for one now...I can't afford a cost is no object solution. BestBuy had an LG with a 1400:1 contrast ratio for $329 (17" i think).
I'd like to run my old monitor too for palettes and such, but i'd need a new vid card, and they require a newer power supply than my PC has...so I'm probably looking at a whole new system...


Yes, but the question was worded "pro grade"

Some NEC's, the LaCie's, and Eizo's are really the only professional monitors within the reach of sane pricing.

The chief problems will be dot pitch, and screen uniformity, also white point and black point will generally be off on cheaper monitors. Contrast ratio's don't matter much when it can't display true black and white.

I would have thought that the Eizo's built-in ambient light meter and auto brightness adjustments would have made it a shoe-in for top pick.
04/06/2006 05:27:10 PM · #31
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


I am saving for one now...I can't afford a cost is no object solution. BestBuy had an LG with a 1400:1 contrast ratio for $329 (17" i think).
I'd like to run my old monitor too for palettes and such, but i'd need a new vid card, and they require a newer power supply than my PC has...so I'm probably looking at a whole new system...


Yes, but the question was worded "pro grade"

Some NEC's, the LaCie's, and Eizo's are really the only professional monitors within the reach of sane pricing.

The chief problems will be dot pitch, and screen uniformity, also white point and black point will generally be off on cheaper monitors. Contrast ratio's don't matter much when it can't display true black and white.

I would have thought that the Eizo's built-in ambient light meter and auto brightness adjustments would have made it a shoe-in for top pick.


Don't forget it's 14 bit gamma chip vs the 10 bit on the Lacie. But the eizo is at least $400 more.
04/06/2006 05:42:55 PM · #32
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


I am saving for one now...I can't afford a cost is no object solution. BestBuy had an LG with a 1400:1 contrast ratio for $329 (17" i think).
I'd like to run my old monitor too for palettes and such, but i'd need a new vid card, and they require a newer power supply than my PC has...so I'm probably looking at a whole new system...


Yes, but the question was worded "pro grade"

Some NEC's, the LaCie's, and Eizo's are really the only professional monitors within the reach of sane pricing.

The chief problems will be dot pitch, and screen uniformity, also white point and black point will generally be off on cheaper monitors. Contrast ratio's don't matter much when it can't display true black and white.

I would have thought that the Eizo's built-in ambient light meter and auto brightness adjustments would have made it a shoe-in for top pick.


I was at school last week - an annual school for 39 years now. I got to speak with many pros, both student and instructor, photographers, studio owners, PS folks. ALL pros making a living at this thing we call photography.

Ummm...'get a high contrast ratio' was the best advice i could get out of people. One PS person, head digital tech overseeing 4 studios with 9 years experience - 'it doesn't make that much difference'. Hmmm...this is portrait and wedding work she/they do. "Learn to color correct in PS by the numbers and the numbers are what the numbers are, regardless of what you see."

Most use Macs, and like the apple cinema displays (and G5s). Some use PCs, some use laptops where you get NO choice in monitor and still do just fine. I saw the captures, the edits on laptops and the prints.

I think I'll go with the LG, or something similar when I get a round tuit.
04/06/2006 09:04:21 PM · #33
popped into a design studio that was handling some print work for a client and they had 3 2010's and haven't ever had to calibrate them becuase they're accurate out of the box, infact they've recently had to calibrate their 23" apple becuase its colour was out, and it was one of thier 2010's that highlighted the problem with the apple display..
04/06/2006 09:49:54 PM · #34
Time to upgrade the old CRT...

//www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/LGMW-71PY10plasma.php
04/06/2006 09:51:02 PM · #35
Originally posted by Bobster:

popped into a design studio that was handling some print work for a client and they had 3 2010's and haven't ever had to calibrate them becuase they're accurate out of the box, infact they've recently had to calibrate their 23" apple becuase its colour was out, and it was one of thier 2010's that highlighted the problem with the apple display..


What is a 2010?
04/07/2006 05:01:02 AM · #36
Formac Gallery 2010: Website


have since put a black background behind and started wearing black tops to help with photos
04/07/2006 06:13:00 AM · #37
Hi-ho,

Just a comment for he budget minded in this thread...

I've been looking for a low-ish cost LCD for a while.. My Dell 21" CRT was getting tired (Trinitron one, very faithful colour, great contrast) and almost all of what I would call the 'reasonable' LCD's have great colour rendition in highlight and shadow, but many have a green hint in the mind ranges that can't be adjusted out.

Particularly noticable in shadow detail in skintones.

After much soul searching I went with another CRT, a Philips 19" 109B6 which calibrates well, and has consistent colour across it's full luminance range.

Even some of Dell's latest 'UltraSharp' range of LCD's seem to have this problem, I had a look at two 1907FP's on a PC yesterday thinking they might be a good option but low and behold a green tinge in some shadow detail on a baby portrait I had on my datapen..

Just my 2c and FYI etc...
04/10/2006 03:12:24 PM · #38
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Why did you decide against the eizo?

I'm looking at both monitors.


Only price and availability... In Montreal, I couldn't find a place with the Eizo at a reasonable price.

I am very satisfied with the LaCie 321.

I have been retouching photos for the past few days and I've double checked them on my old CRT monitor, and I can say my screen is properly calibrated.
I still need getting used to the fonts... But appart from that, I'm very happy with my decision.

Cheers!
07/28/2006 10:08:42 AM · #39
Vince, my hubbie is the king of all research. We don't buy anything unless he reads for days on the product, compares it against the other million products and then and only then do we buy.(This drives me crazy because I buy on impulse, which is bad for me) Over the last few weeks we realized that both of our computers and monitors are lacking.
He has been using a Dell Lattitude D610 and I have been using a Compaq D Something and Dell Ultrasharp 20" that is about 5 years old. We both have external drives too. All this was supplied by work so we could not complain about the cost.

So we finally broke down and went to our local computer store. This is a small store we do business with for both work and home.
Platinum Micro
He really offers the best prices and excellent service.
Matt the owner is building us 2 computers both with the sames specs except Vinces will be wireless. They are as follows

P-4D 3.4 G Dual Core
ASUS P5LD2 motherboard
ANTEC Case
3g pc4200 DDR-2 ram
2 500g sata2 7200rpm (Hard drives)
16x dvd rom
16x dvd r/rw
45-1 usb card reader
ATI X 1600 512MG DDR PCI-E VIDEO
GIGABIT LAN
HD AUDIO 7CH

Monitor

EIZO Color Edge CE240W 24" wide screen graphics monitor

He compared the Lacie, Dell, View Sonic.
He started with the biggest and then decided on the best, in his opinion. Although he would have perfered to buy the big dog EIZO CG221/220 which comes in at the cost of about 5 grand. It reproduces the Adobe RGB color space. But we decided we really want to be able to live in our house for another month and not duct tape all the boxes together and live in them.

I have an Epson R1800 and he wants the 4800, not sure that he will buy tha because the ink is so expensive. He is looking into Bulk ink systems Cones Editions. Pretty cool idea but costly start up.

This new system will be ready for pick up tomorrow and we feel like it is Christmas.
We will give our reviews of the monitors/ new computers as soon as we have time to play.

Message edited by author 2006-07-28 10:09:57.
07/28/2006 10:49:25 AM · #40
i take it your going to use the 3GB boot ini hack?

i'll never understand why people put a DVD ROM and DVD writer in the same box.. why not have 2 DVD writers instead?

i take it your going to be gaming on this machine as well?

if you want to find out about any TFT (LCD) display goto this site and type in the model number - //www.flatpanels.dk/skaerme.php
07/29/2006 05:04:30 PM · #41
nope not using the boot oni hack. XP sees 3g just fine and I am using this machine for my photos so Photoshop should zoom or Capture or both..
This monitor is amazing....Well worth the investment..

Originally posted by Bobster:

i take it your going to use the 3GB boot ini hack?

i'll never understand why people put a DVD ROM and DVD writer in the same box.. why not have 2 DVD writers instead?

i take it your going to be gaming on this machine as well?

if you want to find out about any TFT (LCD) display goto this site and type in the model number - //www.flatpanels.dk/skaerme.php


Message edited by author 2006-07-29 17:04:57.
07/29/2006 05:37:51 PM · #42
Originally posted by khdoss:

3g pc4200 DDR-2 ram


Of that spec, that's what I'd question. You'd be better off with 4GB as 4 * 1 GB (or even 2 * 2GB though that would be expensive). Otherwise to use dual channel you'd have to have 2*1GB and 2 * .5GB which seems a bit of a waste.
08/01/2006 05:55:41 PM · #43
Originally posted by khdoss:

nope not using the boot oni hack. XP sees 3g just fine

The virtual address space of processes and applications is still limited to 2 GB unless the /3GB switch is used in the Boot.ini file.
08/02/2006 10:55:13 PM · #44
Since getting the new Eizo monitorI notice a lot of over saturated pictures now. Is it me or are there a lot of over saturated photos here?
Dr Jones? do you see that with your new LaCie 321 (I almost got that monitor)

Message edited by author 2006-08-02 22:56:07.
02/05/2007 06:15:54 PM · #45
Hey there,

I've been taking classes at ICP in NYC and they just converted to the Eizo ColorEdge CE210W. What a screen. A tad Pricey at about 1000 dollars but it cuts out a ton of calibration issues (Which I have with mine at home)as it's all incorporated into the screen. I'm still a CRT user but mines getting old. Nothing beats the CRT for color but this Eizo really tops the cake. For photography you need something with a fast response time and with a wide gamut. Am tempted now on getting one.

//www.eizo.com/products/graphics/ce210w/index.asp
02/06/2007 07:56:00 AM · #46
Originally posted by cathb:

For photography you need something with a fast response time


er nope.. 16ms is fast enough for anything you want to throw at it..
02/26/2009 06:32:15 PM · #47
I'm looking at monitor for photo work as well. A couple of important specs are contrast ratio (1000:1), resolution, and gamma correction. The last spec is very important, most monitors are 8-bit...GOOD photo monitors are 10-bit.
03/23/2009 05:21:35 PM · #48
I found a really nice monitor, LaCie 324, but it's way too expensive for my budget (about $900). I'm currently eyeballing the Dell G2410 24" LED monitor for $324 and various other Samsungs and NECs. Anyone out there tried the Dell G2410? By the way, that LaCie 324 has 10-bit gamma correction so it may be worth the money afterall. :)

UPDATE: Provantage has the La Cie 324 for $795.53 but it's listed as special order. Most other resellers listed out of stock and they had prices below $900.

//www.provantage.com/lacie-130778~7LACM012.htm

Message edited by author 2009-03-23 17:46:30.
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