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Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

07/15/2006 06:00:25 AM · #78

Not to dump on Popular Photog too much, I've read some questionable stuff quoted to them, so I'd advice sticking to guys like Thom (mentioned above) and DPReview.

I'm almost considering getting one as a second body... almost...

I've got a friend who seems to think he can get a friend of his who works at Sony's head office in Taiwan to get one for 40% off retail...

To the above comment that the sensor numbers are identical except for an a at the end of the number on the Sony version, I think that this could possibly suggest that the sensor is identical, but with a few subtle changes to make it specifically appropriate for the Sony cam AND not violate and Sony-Nikon agreements.

Message edited by author 2006-07-15 06:34:03.

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

07/22/2006 09:53:03 AM · #79

In this weeks Amateur Photography they have carried out a reivew on the Alpha and it has come out very well. Interesting to note that the sensor is very similar to the one used in the Nikon 200D. Basically Sony have left Konica/Minolta to deal with the optics etc and Sony have made the Electronics (most of them). I would expect this camera to do very well at the body only price of Â£600. This camera is good enough to take a good portion of the DSLR market away from Nikon/Canon.

JunieMoon

Sony Alpha a7 II

Sony FE 3.5-5.6/28-70 mm OSS

07/22/2006 10:22:09 AM · #80

I did read the article in Popular Photography, and it does sound like Sony may create an initial attractive price to get into the market, then I can almost be sure the price will go up to more around the $1500 range. I would say that this dslr will be very good for the money as the market is being established. When they create the budget version, maybe in 6 months or so, they will rename the Alpha to some other name, then jack it up.
Since I just bought my current camera less than a year ago, I will unfortunately have to pass on this great deal. I will probably regret it, because I do want a dslr really bad, but finances command what we can get, and a dslr is not in the budget.

Prof_Fate

07/24/2006 05:09:19 PM · #81

Dont' run out and buy the sony quite yet - it's seems a tempting price for the body and features, but the lens prices will kill you.

A100 $999 w/ kit lens
70-200 2.8 lens $2400
1.4 teleconverter $599

for a total of $3998.

Canon 30D w/ 17-85 IS lens $1810
canon 70-200 2.8 IS lens $1699
canon 1.4x TC $285

for a total of $3794.

D200 w/ 18-70 kit lens $1999
70-200 2.8 VR lens $1614 (and there's a rebate on it now too)
nikon 1.4x TC $329
for a total of $3942 ($100 less with the rebate).

So sony thinks customers will pay a premium for their system?
Well, will you?

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/24/2006 05:10:52 PM · #82

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

So sony thinks customers will pay a premium for their system?
Well, will you?

Negatory good buddy ... Over?

:-P

Message edited by author 2006-07-24 17:11:33.

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

07/24/2006 05:18:29 PM · #83

Dont forget all those nice Konica/Minolta lenses floating about.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

07/24/2006 05:29:54 PM · #84

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

All previous KM autofocus lenses with the alpha mount will fit this camera.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

07/24/2006 05:41:36 PM · #85

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Dont' run out and buy the sony quite yet - it's seems a tempting price for the body and features, but the lens prices will kill you.

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So sony thinks customers will pay a premium for their system?
Well, will you?

How about:

A100 - $999
Sigma 70-200/2.8 - $899
Sigma 135-400APO/4.5-5.6 - $589

Total cost - $2487

Last time I checked, Canon and Nikon don't send out IS lenses with their kits either, so you'd have to add in a 24-105L-IS, and a 24-120VR, which pretty much throws the whole bathtub out for your comparison, Chris.

Plus, that $2400 MSRP from Sonystyle.com is probably not going to stick. I can probably find a used Minolta one for cheaper than that anyways.

De Nile is just a river in Africa. Unless Nikons new one is a home run, there's a lot of people who are going Sony.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

07/24/2006 05:42:34 PM · #86

Originally posted by dudephil:

All previous KM autofocus lenses with the alpha mount will fit this camera.

All previous Nikkors and EF Canon lenses will also fit the Nikon and Canon bodies. When I was checking out KM during my buying decision they were already very expensive with some of their lenses. Or does this meand that KM/Sony lenses will devalue a lot when you try to sell them 2nd hand?

Apple iPhone 5

07/24/2006 05:45:44 PM · #87

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by dudephil:

All previous KM autofocus lenses with the alpha mount will fit this camera.

All previous Nikkors and EF Canon lenses will also fit the Nikon and Canon bodies.

The nikkors will *fit* the D50/D70 but they won't meter. Unless you're using a lightmeter this is pretty useless.
edit: which is the main thing that puts me off the D50. What do I do, throw away my AI lenses?

Message edited by author 2006-07-24 17:47:21.

07/24/2006 05:45:55 PM · #88

Or a brand new Minolta for $1879

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

07/24/2006 05:50:22 PM · #89

Originally posted by wavelength:

Or a brand new Minolta for $1879

What chance they will get it in stock again? Very small I guess.

07/24/2006 05:52:43 PM · #90

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by wavelength:
Or a brand new Minolta for $1879

What chance they will get it in stock again? Very small I guess.

Oops, missed that. ;D

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

07/24/2006 06:03:41 PM · #91

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by dudephil:

All previous KM autofocus lenses with the alpha mount will fit this camera.

All previous Nikkors and EF Canon lenses will also fit the Nikon and Canon bodies. When I was checking out KM during my buying decision they were already very expensive with some of their lenses. Or does this meand that KM/Sony lenses will devalue a lot when you try to sell them 2nd hand?

They're really not much more expensive on their good glass than Canon or Nikon is with theirs - sometimes even less. Plus, Sigma and Tamron make lenses for this mount as well and the last Tamron lens I bought (17-35) for my KM was 50 bucks cheaper than the same lens for Canon mounts. They have a decent resell value too.

I'm not loyal to any company and if something came along that I found interesting, I wouldn't hesitate to give it a serious thought. I just can't understand why the die hard loyalists won't require their brand to come up with something like this camera for the same price. If more people would consider buying from a company for offering such a camera for this cost rather than shoot it down, I think they would eventually pay less for their Canons or Nikons.

Now Nikon is coming out with a new 10mp camera (supposedly without anti-shake) for 400 more bucks for the body only - or 300 more bucks if you get the kit lens with the Sony. Why wouldn't they try to release a similar model to the Sony for around the same price? Hmm.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

07/24/2006 06:14:04 PM · #92

Originally posted by dudephil:

I'm not loyal to any company and if something came along that I found interesting, I wouldn't hesitate to give it a serious thought. I just can't understand why the die hard loyalists won't require their brand to come up with something like this camera for the same price. If more people would consider buying from a company for offering such a camera for this cost rather than shoot it down, I think they would eventually pay less for their Canons or Nikons.

Now Nikon is coming out with a new 10mp camera (supposedly without anti-shake) for 400 more bucks for the body only - or 300 more bucks if you get the kit lens with the Sony. Why wouldn't they try to release a similar model to the Sony for around the same price? Hmm.

We really don't know the price of the new Nikon yet. I highly doubt that it will be priced aboved the Sony.
As to brand loyalty, I really don't care what anyone shoots with, just create good photos. Personally I still talk and think way to much tech, something I really don't like about myself.
Cameratech-wise, there is so much more to expect that I cannot really get excited by any of the new cameras and I do expect that Sony entering the market will drive the price down, so that's good.

Prof_Fate

07/24/2006 06:35:27 PM · #93

Originally posted by wavelength:

Last time I checked, Canon and Nikon don't send out IS lenses with their kits either, so you'd have to add in a 24-105L-IS, and a 24-120VR, which pretty much throws the whole bathtub out for your comparison, Chris.

Plus, that $2400 MSRP from Sonystyle.com is probably not going to stick. I can probably find a used Minolta one for cheaper than that anyways.

De Nile is just a river in Africa. Unless Nikons new one is a home run, there's a lot of people who are going Sony.

The canon KIT i quoted with the 17-85 3.5-5.6 IS lens is here at b&h. I chose this lens as a comparison to the sony kit lens as it is more comparable. I'm not a nikon guy so i don't know what they've got that is compatible. and IMO, you don't need IS below 50mm anyway.

Prof_Fate

07/24/2006 06:39:07 PM · #94

Originally posted by dudephil:

Now Nikon is coming out with a new 10mp camera (supposedly without anti-shake) for 400 more bucks for the body only - or 300 more bucks if you get the kit lens with the Sony. Why wouldn't they try to release a similar model to the Sony for around the same price? Hmm.

Sony is probably trying to make a splash i the market with their new camera, selling it at such a low low price. I bet they sell a ton of them to amature/consumer types. That will hurt canon and nikon's low end models, particularly canon i think as their XT is too expensive IMO to be an entry level dSLR anymore.

GinaRothfels

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

07/24/2006 07:17:48 PM · #95

What interests me most about the Sony is that it's the only dSLR to date to offer both a stabilizer AND anti-dust technology.

A part of me really wants a dSLR. Another part is terrified of the size and cost involved. I've read so many complaints about cameras like EOS-350D being too small. I had one in my hands a couple of weeks ago and it felt so huge to my tiny hands that I'm not sure I'd be able to cope with it. But that's another story and nothing to do with this thread really.

07/24/2006 07:25:59 PM · #96

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

If you're new into Dslr's, the Sony might be a good choice for you at that pricepoint. As has been mentioned, aftermarket lenses, and built in stabilizer make it pretty tempting if you haven't any lenses from another company.

I am slightly concerned that Sony is going to try to keep their huge markup on lenses, they're not going to get many prosumers on board if they keep jacking up prices on the backend of the deal. Kind of like Prof_fate was saying. If I ended up wanting a A-mount Zeiss lens, how much would I have to pay vs. a comparable IS/VR lens from the others...

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

07/24/2006 07:34:48 PM · #97

Originally posted by Azrifel:

I hope it isn't priced above the Sony as this is the main thing I'm excited about by them entering the DSLR market. We have grown accustomed to overpriced DSLRs and maybe this will help bring them down to earth. However, if it is higher than the Sony (or even the same price), which has the same sensor as the Nikon D200, and doesn't have anti-shake and the anti-dust technologies as Gina mentioned, then maybe more people will make this their first DSLR - bringing Nikon and Canon down to where they'll have to compete. The new Sony also has EyeStart AF which begins continously autofocusing when your eye is placed against the viewfinder. Pretty cool feature.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

07/24/2006 07:41:51 PM · #98

Originally posted by wavelength:

I am slightly concerned that Sony is going to try to keep their huge markup on lenses, they're not going to get many prosumers on board if they keep jacking up prices on the backend of the deal. Kind of like Prof_fate was saying. If I ended up wanting a A-mount Zeiss lens, how much would I have to pay vs. a comparable IS/VR lens from the others...

Here's a list of the newest lens prices

Lens - MSRP* - Estimated Availability**

SAL 11-18/4.5-5.6 $649.95 Jul 06 (PO)
SAL 18-70/3.5-5.6 [Kit Lens] $199.95 Jul 06
SAL 18-200/3.5-6.3 $499.95 Jul 06
SAL 24-105/3.5-4.5 $469.95 Nov 06 (PO)
SAL 75-300/4.5-5.6 $229.95 Jul 06
SAL 16/2.8 $999.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 20/2.8 $679.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 28/2.8 $249.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 50/1.4 $349.95 Jul 06
SAL 50/2.8 Macro $479.95 Jul 06
SAL 100/2.8 Macro $679.95 Jul 06
SAL 135/2.8 (T4.5) Smooth Transition Focus $1199.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 500/8 Reflex Mirror $699.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 70-200/2.8 G [New Sony design] $2399.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 300/2.8 G [New Sony design] $5999.95 Nov 06 (PO)
SAL 35/1.4 G [New Sony design] $1399.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 16-80/3.5-4.5 [Zeiss] $699.95 Oct 06 (PO)
SAL 85/1.4 [Zeiss] $1299.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 135/1.8 [Zeiss] $1399.95 Sept 06 (PO)
SAL 14 TC $599.95 Aug 06 (PO)
SAL 20 TC $649.95 Aug 06 (PO)

JunieMoon

Sony Alpha a7 II

Sony FE 3.5-5.6/28-70 mm OSS

07/24/2006 07:58:41 PM · #99

I believe Sony is relying heavily on creating a market with those who have not had a dslr, or maybe even a film slr, in their hands. The anti-shake and anti-dust are two very good features for newbies. I have also noticed with the alpha they have maintained the left side as the place for their lens mounts. I have the Sony H1, which is basically the same style. For Sony cyber-shot users, this creates a comfort level and familiarity, another good selling point to those of us who have dealt with their cameras. This also creates a good upgrade market. The menu options have been streamlined when compared to the cypershot prosumers, which are all good design decisions. As a user of both a Canon film slr, and a Sony cybershot, I am familiar with both designs but I still find the Sony to be easier overall.
Since I go beyond dp with my images, and have found some success with portrait work and print sales, the images I have been getting from my Sony H1 are certainly a good quality. So if I were to get into the dslr market, of course I am going to choose the Sony. I have found some real success with this camera. Why would I want to change?
As to Canon and Nikon, yeh for a brief time they might suffer sales wise, but I doubt that they will lose a huge portion of the market. There are so many people looking for dslr's, that Sony will establish their own following, just as Nikon and Canon has.
For me, my camera choices will be either Olympus or Sony, period. The Canon purchase was something for a class my daughter was taking, and my Olympus died in the middle of it. Canon was the only one available that night when we had to find a camera pdq.
By the way, I just did a portrait sitting with my old Olympus D550Z 3.1 megapixel point and shoot. The customers were very happy with them. So even with that seemingly low quality camera, there is still a use for it even now.

eschelar