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07/23/2006 02:03:47 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Konador:
If I press Print Screen on my keyboard I can steal them anyway. Or I can look at the page source and download them directly from their URL. |
I've always preferred bookmarklets. For example this one...
javascript:Ai7Mg6P='';for%20(i7M1bQz=0;i7M1bQz{Ai7Mg6P+='
'};
if(Ai7Mg6P!=''){document.write(''+Ai7Mg6P+'');
void(document.close())}else{alert('No%20images!')}
... displays all the images on a page by themselves. Just select the one you want and use your regular right click menu unencumbered.
Message edited by Manic - linebreaks are good, mmmkay. |
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07/23/2006 02:38:10 AM · #52 |
The images are already downloaded and stored on the harddrive by the time the visiter sees them on the screen (browser cache). As Alan said, keeping an image from being saved to a viewers harddrive is simply not possible. In fact, the viewer is given permission to do so by being allowed to view the image.
Usability issues aside -- and yes I use the right-click menu for a lot of things that are unrelated to theft -- my main opposition to disabling the right-click menu is on ethical grounds. When I see the notice the right-click has been disabled, it is the same as the site owner telling me they believe I am a criminal and should therefore have my activities restricted. All this, regardless of why I have used the button on the right-hand side of MY trackball.
I am not a criminal and I don't enjoy being treated as if I was.
David
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07/23/2006 03:04:01 AM · #53 |
Using your LEFT mouse button, grab an image off a website and drag it onto your desktop. Heck, drag it straight into photoshop and start your illegal activities even quicker.
Now, are you going to disable my left mouse button too?
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07/23/2006 03:08:24 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by David.C:
The images are already downloaded and stored on the harddrive by the time the visiter sees them on the screen (browser cache). As Alan said, keeping an image from being saved to a viewers harddrive is simply not possible. In fact, the viewer is given permission to do so by being allowed to view the image.
Usability issues aside -- and yes I use the right-click menu for a lot of things that are unrelated to theft -- my main opposition to disabling the right-click menu is on ethical grounds. When I see the notice the right-click has been disabled, it is the same as the site owner telling me they believe I am a criminal and should therefore have my activities restricted. All this, regardless of why I have used the button on the right-hand side of MY trackball.
I am not a criminal and I don't enjoy being treated as if I was.
David |
Kinda like stores requiring backpacks be left at the counter... |
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07/23/2006 03:13:41 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by David.C:
The images are already downloaded and stored on the harddrive by the time the visiter sees them on the screen (browser cache). As Alan said, keeping an image from being saved to a viewers harddrive is simply not possible. In fact, the viewer is given permission to do so by being allowed to view the image.
Usability issues aside -- and yes I use the right-click menu for a lot of things that are unrelated to theft -- my main opposition to disabling the right-click menu is on ethical grounds. When I see the notice the right-click has been disabled, it is the same as the site owner telling me they believe I am a criminal and should therefore have my activities restricted. All this, regardless of why I have used the button on the right-hand side of MY trackball.
I am not a criminal and I don't enjoy being treated as if I was.
David |
Kinda like stores requiring backpacks be left at the counter... |
Yep ... and those ultimately useless detectors at the doors. "Beep...You have activated the security system. Please interrupt your life and be subjected to public ridicule because our cashiers are incompetent. Thank you!"
I just keep walking.
Message edited by author 2006-07-23 03:14:07.
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07/23/2006 05:02:26 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by David.C:
I just keep walking. |
You can keep walking, of course. However, in the shopping centre near me, if you set off the beeps at one shop, you'll be setting them off at every other shop you go in to or come out of for the rest of the day.
Which is just annoying - a bit like a disabled right-click button is just annoying ;) |
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07/23/2006 06:12:00 AM · #57 |
I don't mind putting disabling right-click, it doesn't stop Konador and people who know how to disable javascript, download from source, print screen, etc. But it does stop some, and it's more important to stop them with a copyright warning pop'ing up. That said, I still think the best approach is to upload a small say 640x640 image, and or use watermarking. That will stop everyone from stealing your images.
I'd *love* to just put up top quality 1024x768 sized images with no watermarking and not disable right click, but there are some really nasty people out there.
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07/23/2006 06:56:21 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by terje:
I don't mind putting disabling right-click, it doesn't stop Konador and people who know how to disable javascript, download from source, print screen, etc. But it does stop some, and it's more important to stop them with a copyright warning pop'ing up. That said, I still think the best approach is to upload a small say 640x640 image, and or use watermarking. That will stop everyone from stealing your images.
I'd *love* to just put up top quality 1024x768 sized images with no watermarking and not disable right click, but there are some really nasty people out there. |
The question I would ask though is what proportion of your readers are those nasty people? If your assumption is that nasty, right-click and steal freeloaders are the bulk of your viewers, then there's hardly any point having a website in the first place.
I would tend to err on the side of being generous, and allow those people who actually know how to use a browser to continue to use the right click button. Otherwise you are being unfair and controlling over the majority of decent, honest people.
I liken the disabling of right-clicks in some way to the copyright warnings on DVDs. I've bought the bloody DVD, and yet, for some reason, the producers feel that they have to make me watch one of their stupid "piracy is theft" commercials which I am unable to skip through before I can even watch the DVD that I have handed over money for. Rubbish.
Also purely from the UI point of view, you shouldn't overload or alter the normal experience for the end user. Some accessibility functionality, for example, can be linked to right click buttons, amongst other things.
Then there's other things - if you put right-click disable on, are you also employing techniques that prevent remote hot-linking of your images? If not, people can steal them that way and steal your bandwidth too.
If I were putting images up, I'd put up a smaller than original, but state that full-sized versions are available. A 640x640 is not going to be of much use for chargable applications. |
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07/23/2006 09:11:53 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by awpollard:
One thing you may want to do is put a clear copyright on your site. Yes the "Gayle Cummins Photography © 2006" is very visible but not clear as to what it is for. In the world of the Web you have Content, Media and the software package that runs the whole thing.
If you you are doing the Content and the Photos a statement along the lines of "All Content and Photographs are Copyright Gayle Cummins Photography. No part of this site shall be reproduced without the written consent of the author"
Just a thought...It don't keep 'em from doing bad things but will cover you after the fact. |
thank you, I was looking for that exact wording. Will put it on.
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07/23/2006 11:47:57 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by terje:
I don't mind putting disabling right-click, it doesn't stop Konador and people who know how to disable javascript, download from source, print screen, etc. But it does stop some, and it's more important to stop them with a copyright warning pop'ing up. That said, I still think the best approach is to upload a small say 640x640 image, and or use watermarking. That will stop everyone from stealing your images. |
The problem with your reasoning is that you don't account for those of us who RELY on right-clicking in our browsing experience. I DO mind, not because I want to steal images, but because it makes browsing easier for me. As someone mentioned there are accessibility features that get disabled too. This means that you're making it that much more difficult for the blind, etc. who might care less about images. |
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07/23/2006 11:50:56 AM · #61 |
I guess I'm really troubled but the amount of people that feel so insulted that right click is disabled. Just because you can view a monet or renoir in a museum, that doesn't mean you have the right to take it. Just because it is on someone's website, doesn't give you the right to take it. It was someone else's hard work that put it there. I guess the masters shouldn't have painted their great works. If that would have happened, we wouldn't be here. Honestly, through the great artist in time, we have developed our skills. The have passed their knowledge on to us. Why can't we just admire someone's work and if so inclined, buy it. Its as if to say what is mine, isn't mine, if I put it out there, its your's too. What ever happened to honesty? What ever happened to admiration? What ever happened to morals? Several of you put how to steal someone's work. Don't you feel the least bit guilty? I never really realized or maybe I'm just naive or maybe I'm just delusional, but this is such a cut throat society. Its sad really. Just when you think you have something really good, someone can claim it as their's and reap the glory. I take pride in what I do. Hopefully it will stay mine.
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07/23/2006 12:23:04 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by terje:
I don't mind putting disabling right-click, it doesn't stop Konador and people who know how to disable javascript, download from source, print screen, etc. But it does stop some, and it's more important to stop them with a copyright warning pop'ing up. That said, I still think the best approach is to upload a small say 640x640 image, and or use watermarking. That will stop everyone from stealing your images. |
The problem with your reasoning is that you don't account for those of us who RELY on right-clicking in our browsing experience. I DO mind, not because I want to steal images, but because it makes browsing easier for me. As someone mentioned there are accessibility features that get disabled too. This means that you're making it that much more difficult for the blind, etc. who might care less about images. |
Yes, I'm a very very bad person. ;-)
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07/23/2006 12:31:56 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
This is not unprofessional. It would be unprofessional to assume that one can take photos willy-nilly of your site and use them as one may will.
There are, however, other ways to get around this, and disabling right click is simply an annoyance when you can do a screen capture, and crop that image.
I would be watermarking any pictures I took anyways. Copyright: Gayle bla de bla. |
OK, so what is the best way to watermark photos? I do not know how, please help. BTW, I use PS 7.0 |
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07/23/2006 12:48:39 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
I guess I'm really troubled but the amount of people that feel so insulted that right click is disabled. Just because you can view a monet or renoir in a museum, that doesn't mean you have the right to take it. |
No, but when you enter an art gallery, they don't tie one of your hands behind your back for the duration, to prevent you from walking off with a Rembrant.
Disabling right-click is much the same as that. It's of practically zero value for stopping people stealing stuff, but prevents people from doing perfectly legitimate things with their hands.
I'm troubled by people who don't get that right-click disabling can be annoying. It can actually turn people away from visiting your sites. Is that what you want?
Slight edit for logic.
Message edited by author 2006-07-23 13:24:34. |
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07/23/2006 01:17:29 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
I guess I'm really troubled but the amount of people that feel so insulted that right click is disabled. Just because you can view a monet or renoir in a museum, that doesn't mean you have the right to take it. Just because it is on someone's website, doesn't give you the right to take it. It was someone else's hard work that put it there. I guess the masters shouldn't have painted their great works. If that would have happened, we wouldn't be here. Honestly, through the great artist in time, we have developed our skills. The have passed their knowledge on to us. Why can't we just admire someone's work and if so inclined, buy it. Its as if to say what is mine, isn't mine, if I put it out there, its your's too. What ever happened to honesty? What ever happened to admiration? What ever happened to morals? Several of you put how to steal someone's work. Don't you feel the least bit guilty? I never really realized or maybe I'm just naive or maybe I'm just delusional, but this is such a cut throat society. Its sad really. Just when you think you have something really good, someone can claim it as their's and reap the glory. I take pride in what I do. Hopefully it will stay mine.
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Disabling right click does not stop people from stealing images. It doesn't even slow them down. As I have pointed out, it is much easier to steal images with the LEFT mouse button than the right. I ask again, are you now going to disable my left mouse button?
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07/23/2006 02:35:20 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
I guess I'm really troubled but the amount of people that feel so insulted that right click is disabled. Just because you can view a monet or renoir in a museum, that doesn't mean you have the right to take it. Just because it is on someone's website, doesn't give you the right to take it. It was someone else's hard work that put it there. I guess the masters shouldn't have painted their great works. If that would have happened, we wouldn't be here. Honestly, through the great artist in time, we have developed our skills. The have passed their knowledge on to us. Why can't we just admire someone's work and if so inclined, buy it. Its as if to say what is mine, isn't mine, if I put it out there, its your's too. What ever happened to honesty? What ever happened to admiration? What ever happened to morals? Several of you put how to steal someone's work. Don't you feel the least bit guilty? I never really realized or maybe I'm just naive or maybe I'm just delusional, but this is such a cut throat society. Its sad really. Just when you think you have something really good, someone can claim it as their's and reap the glory. I take pride in what I do. Hopefully it will stay mine.
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What is really troubling is that after all that has been said here about how useful the right-click menu is for honest activities -- you still consider anyone that wants to be able to right-click on your website a thief. And that is just sad -- I hope you get well soon. :(
David
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07/23/2006 02:55:05 PM · #67 |
I'm a computer programmer and web site developer by day, and know full well how easy it is to pull images off the internet. And yet, on my own site, I still put up the right-click disabled bit knowing that anyone that really wants the pictures can still get them.
I do this for much the same reason that you would put a copyright notice on your work. It's to remind the viewer that the images are mine. It doesn't stop them from looking. It's just a reminder, that's all.
And so I'm just curious... for those who claim that doing so interferes with their normal activities. What is disabling the right click stopping you from doing?
I guess, even as much as I "live on the web", I guess I just don't right-click-on-an-image hardly ever - except when I want to download it.
So, if you aren't downloading them, then why are you right-clicking-on-images and what are you doing with them afterwards? (what's positive "activity" am I preventing you from doing, by giving you a simple reminder that these are my images?)
NOTE: This is not meant in an argumentative way - I'm here to learn. Teach me.
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07/23/2006 03:10:25 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
I'm a computer programmer and web site developer by day, and know full well how easy it is to pull images off the internet. And yet, on my own site, I still put up the right-click disabled bit knowing that anyone that really wants the pictures can still get them.
I do this for much the same reason that you would put a copyright notice on your work. It's to remind the viewer that the images are mine. It doesn't stop them from looking. It's just a reminder, that's all. |
If I use my left mouse button, or have the No-Script extension installed, I never see your reminder.
Originally posted by dwterry:
And so I'm just curious... for those who claim that doing so interferes with their normal activities. What is disabling the right click stopping you from doing? |
The zoom image extension springs readily to mind.
I also use the right mouse button to navigate/open new tabs/search/god knows what else, and most people who disable right click seem to do it to their entire site, not just the images.
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07/23/2006 03:30:21 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by bod:
I also use the right mouse button to navigate/open new tabs/search/god knows what else, and most people who disable right click seem to do it to their entire site, not just the images. |
Indeed. I've hardly ever seen a website that employs right-click protection on just images.
I'm really surprised that someone who creates websites as a living is happy to browse a site with the button disabled. I guess it really is different things to different people.
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07/23/2006 03:42:56 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
And so I'm just curious... for those who claim that doing so interferes with their normal activities. What is disabling the right click stopping you from doing? |
Since, I'm one of the vocal ones on this subject... I LOVE Mozilla. It makes my surfing experience custom to how I like it not how some big company decides I should be ALLOWED to view the 'New World Library' (aka World Wide Web). I love TABBED browsing as I mentioned earlier in the thread. -, -, and - are my friends. Often I find a site where I want to open 20 or more links at a time, sometimes images, movies, forums. The Linky extension adds a right-click option that allows me to open every link on the page with right-click, click, VS. 20-100 middle clicks (tiring) or open only a selection of links with click-and-drag, right-click, click, VS. 10-30 middle clicks with included mouse movements.
Shortcuts like these make surfing bearable for this former Programmer and Web Developer who blew out his wrists on the job. Saves my wrists for more important tasks like editing images for DPC...
Message edited by author 2006-07-23 15:48:49. |
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07/23/2006 03:58:47 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by bod:
... As I have pointed out, it is much easier to steal images with the LEFT mouse button than the right. ... |
What browser are you using to left-click and save an image? |
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07/23/2006 04:00:28 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by David.C:
... What is really troubling is that after all that has been said here about how useful the right-click menu is for honest activities -- you still consider anyone that wants to be able to right-click on your website a thief. And that is just sad -- I hope you get well soon. :(
David |
Sorry to see that YOU feel that way. ;^) So sad for you indeed...
BTW, what browser are you using that you find right-clicking on an image so useful? |
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07/23/2006 04:00:29 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by bod:
... As I have pointed out, it is much easier to steal images with the LEFT mouse button than the right. ... |
What browser are you using to left-click and save an image? |
I think that reference is to the drag and drop method of copying an image which works in any browser. |
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07/23/2006 04:02:11 PM · #74 |
For all of you pooh-poohing a website developers option to disable the right-click do you find yourself in the minority? Example, using a browser other than the still, industry dominant Internet Explorer?
It's a website developers option to design as they see fit. If it's a problem for you personally, then don't go back to that site anymore. Pretty simple really. ;^) |
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07/23/2006 04:04:10 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
... I think that reference is to the drag and drop method of copying an image which works in any browser. |
Well, there is that I suppose. ;^) Always a way for a thief to get in if they really want to steal something isn't there? |
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