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07/22/2006 08:27:16 AM · #51 |
The 1D Mk II that I was looking at was not an 'n' with around 7000 actuations and priced around 2200 USD. It was in the local market.
I almost got it but I wasn't ready... That was a few months back now... I noticed that the prices right now are a bit higher... that was a little after the new N model came out and I think that may have depressed the market a bit.
There are 1D Mk II's on Fredmiranda for around 2600 USD... They tend to be pretty good for pricing, but I find that you can sometimes get better deals shopping local. Of course, sometimes you can't. :)
I haven't been checking too closely, but last time I did, the D200 was 1700-1800 USD.
There are a number of other factors that might bring these prices a bit closer together. For me, I got a super deal on a lens for Canon that I put towards the price of the camera. Comparing it to the new price for that lens in Nikon or Canon would have freed up some serious hypothetical dollars. Not everyone thinks like me.
Ok, I might have been a bit strong by saying that the average consumer has very little reason to buy Nikon. The average consumer is often looking for the cheapest camera on the market... Now, the A100 is selling here for around 800 bucks USD body only. The D50 is around 500. There's a good reason right there for an average consumer to go Nikon.
However, that crowd is often looking at the lowest price, and this has little to do with the specs of the camera itself. I don't know too many people who would specifically choose the D50 because of it's specs and features. Most are strongly influenced by the price.
Those looking for better value might turn to Sony. A salesman with a few sentences could easily turn the consumer to a wise decision for a small lens kit as well as an A100 for a very reasonable sum.
The optics will be almost identical.
The reason that the 5D and 7D didn't really do so well was that while they had great performance optically, they didn't have anything to upgrade to and they couldn't keep up the pace of releases. Also, their cameras were just a bit slower where it came to performance.
If it was a choice between the Nikon (and it very nearly was) and the KM for me, I would definitely choose the KM.
The price of the D70 is even a bit closer to the A100, and the A100 offers a significant advantage.
Even the D200 has just a small edge over the A100.
As to Sony not having a reputation in high quality camera production, don't forget what resides inside almost every single Nikon camera currently available.
As for the rest of the camera, they can fall back on KM because they bought their production facilities.
On-camera AS is one advantage. There are others for the Sony. The dust repellent thing is a big one for many too...
I'm fairly sure that 90% of the time, using AS as opposed to not is not going to make a huge difference. If you are moving around so much that you can't see your subject properly through the lens finder, you probably are moving too much to get good results from AS anyhow. Besides, I don't see the average consumer doing a whole lot of manual focusing at 400mm zoom anyhow. |
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07/22/2006 09:22:28 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
However, that crowd is often looking at the lowest price, and this has little to do with the specs of the camera itself. I don't know too many people who would specifically choose the D50 because of it's specs and features. Most are strongly influenced by the price.
Those looking for better value might turn to Sony. A salesman with a few sentences could easily turn the consumer to a wise decision for a small lens kit as well as an A100 for a very reasonable sum. |
The market of the D50 and cameras alike is the biggest market. The majority of the people want an inexpensive camera that performs decently and doesn't cost a ton. Like I already said, there is still room for Nikon and Canon to lower their prices there even further because this is still the area they make the most money from. We'll see how Sony positions its camera(s) in the near future, but N&C can defend well here and will not loose much to Sony.
Originally posted by eschelar:
The reason that the 5D and 7D didn't really do so well was that while they had great performance optically, they didn't have anything to upgrade to and they couldn't keep up the pace of releases. Also, their cameras were just a bit slower where it came to performance. |
The main problem was that they entered the market to late. When they did they used an already outdated camera. Sony is a little bit smarter here, but still late. Sony already lost a lot of potential buyers when they didn't offer the huge number of F717 users a decent successor. When you look at the number of F717/F828 users who have already moved on to Nikon or Canon in the last couple of years, it is huge. This was exactly the crowd who you could have sold the alpha A100.
Originally posted by eschelar:
Even the D200 has just a small edge over the A100. |
Not a small edge. Have you ever looked trough the viewfinder of the D200? Stronger body, weather sealing, faster, better AF module, more sophisticated metering (imo) to name a couple of things.
Originally posted by eschelar:
As to Sony not having a reputation in high quality camera production, don't forget what resides inside almost every single Nikon camera currently available. |
A sensor is not a camera.
FWIW I'd rather see Fuji sensors in the Nikon cameras. Not because I have a thing against Sony, but because Fuji makes the best sensors, even better than Canon (IMO), but are crap with their camera bodies (don't have access to good bodies, AF modules and metering and they are very slow).
Originally posted by eschelar:
I'm fairly sure that 90% of the time, using AS as opposed to not is not going to make a huge difference. If you are moving around so much that you can't see your subject properly through the lens finder, you probably are moving too much to get good results from AS anyhow. Besides, I don't see the average consumer doing a whole lot of manual focusing at 400mm zoom anyhow. |
Try it on a long lens and you'd be amazed how much correction you get and what a difference it can make. Also I said it helps AF, wasn't even talking about MF yet.
You know what, let's stop this discussion and look at how things work out the next 10 months. But to say that Nikon is in the shit is simply untrue, that's my point.
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07/22/2006 09:42:28 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by Raziel:
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Anyone know what the price on this beastie is going to be? |
All depends on whether it is a downgrade or an upgrade of the D200. |
Back to the D2Xs... This camera is definitely modelled on the D2X, not the D200. The suggested price is 5,450.95 (Canadian) versus 2,069.95 for the D200 and 4,500.00 for the D2X. There's an upgraded autofocus system and focusing screen, and of course the upgraded CMOS sensor. Like the D2X, there's no built-in flash. Full specs.
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Message edited by author 2006-07-22 10:02:15. |
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07/22/2006 09:54:28 AM · #54 |
IMO I don't think you'll see a whole lot of professionals switching over to Sony. Nikon and Canon have the corner on that market.
Another thing that will keep many people away from the Sony is Sony's history of poor reliability. In my experience (and many others as well) Sony's just aren't built to last. Sony's historically have had the cool gadget factor going for them - but in a situation where I knew I had to get the shot, I'd trust my Nikon (or a Canon) way more than a Sony. |
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07/22/2006 10:06:12 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
Originally posted by dudephil:
You ever gonna post any images from that Hassleblad? |
Why, are you thinking of getting one? It's a fine camera; I just wish it had a higher FPS, a better built-in flash, and an anti-shake sensor.
But let us not get carried off the topic. |
I don't buy it. If you had a hassleblad, you wouldn't be worried about FPS and on-camera flash. I say post a picture of yourself holding it.
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07/22/2006 11:35:39 AM · #56 |
Fair enough azrifel. I was thinking the same thing. I guess it doesn't really matter what either of us think. (nor the store manager whom I was quoting)... Time will tell...
Hey dave. Is it really necessary to hassle a guy who says he has a hassel?
Man that's a weird sentence to type... :)
Seriously though, he probably uses one where he works, but has another camera for home use. Plenty of pro's like the cheaper bodies for other purposes.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has two totally different shooting styles as well.
I didn't know we had Profile Police here... |
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