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07/20/2006 02:32:55 PM · #26 |
Damnit, now I guess I should hold off on buying my D200!
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07/20/2006 03:01:19 PM · #27 |
| Crap...I just bought a D70s to move my D70 to a backup with the intention of selling the D70 in a few months and upgrading to the D200. If this is a D70 upgrade/D200 tonedown, the resale of my D70 is going to drop like a rock....maybe I should sell it now.........if I could talk hubby into it...will have to think about this one a bit. |
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07/20/2006 03:12:58 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
As far as Full Frame sensors go, Nikon has been pretty adamant about not ever going to "full frame" - saying they see no need. If they were to go full frame they would be ruling out a large portion of the new lenses they are making and that would be a bad move. |
There is an oppinion that, should Nikon release a FF camera, it would likely have a DX crop feature (just like D2X has a high speed crop mode) that will allow one to use the DX lenses (with a lower output resolution, obviously). |
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07/20/2006 03:21:20 PM · #29 |
this is somewhat Ironic to me. Because just yesterday I was online pricing bodies. I have been thinking about upgrading to a D-200. Perhaps I will wait til this camera has been released and tested by the masses before I dive into a 1500 dollar credit card bill.
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07/20/2006 03:23:12 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by carisakD70:
Crap...I just bought a D70s to move my D70 to a backup with the intention of selling the D70 in a few months and upgrading to the D200. If this is a D70 upgrade/D200 toned down, the resale of my D70 is going to drop like a rock....maybe I should sell it now.........if I could talk hubby into it...will have to think about this one a bit. |
well if it really is the downgrade version of the D200 (as the D50 is to the D70) then my guess is pricing would be in the $1200-1300 range which is still enough more than the D70 prices that the D70 may still have value and not drop in price too much.
Then there's also the possibility that the D200 is the "toned down" version and the new one will have a few more features than the D200.
(Owe my head is spinning from all the possibilities... 20 days is too long!) |
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07/20/2006 03:39:49 PM · #31 |
Interesting, according to this guy, the new D80 will be using SD cards:
//forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=19174179
Should be taken with a grain of salt, obviously, but this same poster has had "correct" predictions before (about the D2X release, for instance). We'll know for sure in 20 days. :) |
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07/20/2006 03:42:35 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
Interesting, according to this guy, the new D80 will be using SD cards:
//forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=19174179
Should be taken with a grain of salt, obviously, but this same poster has had "correct" predictions before (about the D2X release, for instance). We'll know for sure in 20 days. :) |
You ever gonna post any images from that Hassleblad?
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07/20/2006 04:27:04 PM · #33 |
| i hate waiting i wanted to upgrade and now this!!!! andi have to wait until the price changes to decide what i want to do this is crap!! So If i sell my d70 and it is a D200 brand it will probably be in the $1500 to $2000 range. vise versa on the d70 i bought mine for $880 and not to up grade will be $1000 - $1500..... AHHhhhhh ill just wait... who cares |
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07/20/2006 04:48:20 PM · #34 |
| Anyone know what the price on this beastie is going to be? |
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07/20/2006 04:49:39 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Anyone know what the price on this beastie is going to be? |
All depends on whether it is a downgrade or an upgrade of the D200. |
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07/20/2006 05:00:10 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
please oh please have Ai & Ais support like the D200. Mirror lock-up would be nice also.
Fingers crossed. |
Nikon certianly has always made it's older glass more easily usable than anyone else. |
No they haven't - put an AI or AIS lens on a D50, D70, or D70s and you won't have metering. The Nikon D200 supports AIS, but the lower models don't. |
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07/20/2006 05:04:16 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
You ever gonna post any images from that Hassleblad? |
Why, are you thinking of getting one? It's a fine camera; I just wish it had a higher FPS, a better built-in flash, and an anti-shake sensor.
But let us not get carried off the topic. |
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07/20/2006 06:11:44 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
Originally posted by dudephil:
You ever gonna post any images from that Hassleblad? |
Why, are you thinking of getting one? It's a fine camera; I just wish it had a higher FPS, a better built-in flash, and an anti-shake sensor.
But let us not get carried off the topic. |
Holy crap! I just noticed that you have a Hassleblad. For what Hassleblads cost it seems to me that it should have all of those things you mentioned, AND be plated in silver.
And yes... I want to see pics too. |
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07/20/2006 06:31:07 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
Originally posted by dudephil:
You ever gonna post any images from that Hassleblad? |
Why, are you thinking of getting one? It's a fine camera; I just wish it had a higher FPS, a better built-in flash, and an anti-shake sensor.
But let us not get carried off the topic. |
Maybe you can use your 3fps D50 to take some nice pics of that Hassy with you in it? Be a nice self portrait I'd think.
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07/20/2006 06:35:15 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Maybe you can use your 3fps D50 to take some nice pics of that Hassy with you in it? Be a nice self portrait I'd think. |
I have a nice self-portrait in my DPC profile already. |
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07/20/2006 06:46:12 PM · #41 |
Here is mine it's floating with me. I am trying not to drop it as it was $22,000.00 USD!
:-P |
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07/20/2006 07:22:26 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Maybe you can use your 3fps D50 to take some nice pics of that Hassy with you in it? Be a nice self portrait I'd think. |
I have a nice self-portrait in my DPC profile already. |
Took me a while to figure out how you did that. Sneaky! |
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07/21/2006 06:17:21 PM · #43 |
I know I know!
But here is the Ken Rockwell Take on it!
D80? |
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07/21/2006 06:28:19 PM · #44 |
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07/21/2006 06:41:15 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Maybe you can use your 3fps D50 to take some nice pics of that Hassy with you in it? Be a nice self portrait I'd think. |
That sounds like a great idea. Or use the Pentax to take a shot of the D50 and Hasselblad side by side. Will you do that?
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I know I know!
But here is the Ken Rockwell Take on it!
D80? |
lol. You obviously know what a lot of people think of Ken don't you waz. "I know I know" is too funny. :D
However, if he is correct on the price I don't see why we would buy it over this one with kit lens for 300 bucks less (or without for 400 bucks less) - with anti shake built in camera. I'm curious to see what other features the new Nikon will have and if they will justify a 400 dollar difference over the Sony.
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07/21/2006 06:43:10 PM · #46 |
| Dang it! It better not out shine the D200. I'll be kicking myself for not waiting... |
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07/22/2006 04:31:37 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Funny Kenny R.:
It will have the same 10MP sensor as the D200 and standard DX sensor size, 5 FPS and MSRP of $1,299 USD. Unknown is if it will have a professional true CCD and 1/500 sync like the D70, or a cost-compromised CMOS sensor and sluggish 1/250 sync like the D2X. This sync and sensor issue is why the D70 stands out today since most other new DSLRs have decided to save money and use the CMOS substitutes for true CCDs. For some technical reason I haven't investigated the CMOS sensors for some reason don't come with electronic shutters to allow the full 1/500 maximum sync speed the CCD based DSLRs like the D70, D1X and Canon 1D and other earlier, more expensive cameras have. |
Gee. I kinda thought that the FP mode was sufficient for high speed Fill flash that most outdoor guys like the high speed sync for...
Am I totally off base on that one?
Anyhow, it's just kinda funny because I always thought that I didn't want a CCD because I would rather have the better imaging quality of the CMOS in shadows... You know, better than those cheap CCD cams.... ;)
Seriously speaking though, Nikon is in a very tricky situation. Local shops around here are speaking in hushed tones when referring to them because they feel that Sony is going to wipe the floor with them in a major way before the end of the year... They also feel that the Pentax will be 'too little, too late'... A big part of the market will go OLY for the live preview... See what a tragedy has been brough upon us all by the prevalence of those large LCD's over quality viewfinders...
Nikon's D200 is an incredible camera, but it's highly questionable whether or not the consumer market will be interested in paying for FPS alone... You can get a used 1D Mk II for only a few hundred bucks more and I would easily rather have a 1D Mk II than a D200...
It's doubtful that a new camera will outshine the D200, but it will sure strip a lot of that Nikon lustre down by exposing their uncomfortable position. |
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07/22/2006 06:41:30 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Seriously speaking though, Nikon is in a very tricky situation. Local shops around here are speaking in hushed tones when referring to them because they feel that Sony is going to wipe the floor with them in a major way before the end of the year... |
You should not only focus on Sony, but also look at what the competition is going to do. Do you seriously think that Canon and Nikon will allow Sony to gain a lot of market share? Hell no.
Therefore Nikon now introduces this new body as a direct competitor to the Sony alpha A100, which gives Nikon room to agressively lower their prices for the D50 and D70s (which will remain in production). Canon will do the same with the Rebel (In case you missed it, Nikon is not the only one affected by a newcomer in this market). The pricepoint is very important these days. I even think that Nikon and Canon might wipe the floor with Sony.
Sony's lenses are also expensive, most are slow and for the pricedifference between a Sony 70-200 f/2.8 and the Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 VR I could buy a D70s body with 18-70 kit lens.
Originally posted by eschelar:
Nikon's D200 is an incredible camera, but it's highly questionable whether or not the consumer market will be interested in paying for FPS alone... You can get a used 1D Mk II for only a few hundred bucks more and I would easily rather have a 1D Mk II than a D200... |
Paying for FPS alone? Right.....
BTW; A secondhand 1D MkII for those prices has at least 100000 to 150000 shutter actuations and mirror slaps on it. I'd rather work with a brand new fresh camera.
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07/22/2006 07:20:45 AM · #49 |
We will have to see how things work. I do think that Canon will be facing the need for something of a shift in thinking for it's lower end market.
I don't think that the higher end market will really be all that strongly swayed when it comes to anti-shake vs their existing lens collection.
Sony/Konica Minolta has always been a strong player for 3rd party lenses. These lenses have been getting better and better, so it's not too much of a jump to see a fairly significant number start to make the switch.
Canon uses CMOS, so if they can keep that edge, they will have their fan base still. If I had to make the choice, I'd still choose the 30D over the A100, but I know a lot of others that wouldn't. Nor would they have any reason to.
Outside of people shooting for specific purposes and those who really want to get serious and shoot professionally, the average consumer has very little reason to buy Nikon. Add the right 3rd party lenses and you are laughing. A LOT of consumers will be keeping the kit lens and adding the Sigma 70-200, or the new Tokina 80-400 and getting very decent quality with significant reach and anti-shake, completely ignoring the brand lenses.
As to getting a 1D Mk II for two grand, I almost got one myself, most of them in my price range were 7000-15000 actuations to be honest.
Not that many for a 1D. |
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07/22/2006 07:51:19 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Outside of people shooting for specific purposes and those who really want to get serious and shoot professionally, the average consumer has very little reason to buy Nikon. |
The reasons being?
Originally posted by eschelar:
Add the right 3rd party lenses and you are laughing. A LOT of consumers will be keeping the kit lens and adding the Sigma 70-200, or the new Tokina 80-400 and getting very decent quality with significant reach and anti-shake, completely ignoring the brand lenses. |
The Konica Minolta 5D and 7D also had the on-sensor anti-shake and I cannot say that those cameras were taking the market by storm. This step by KM even proved so expensive and unsuccesful that they had to sell the division to Sony. Sony may be able to market the camera better, but they even have less of a name of a high quality camera producer than KM.
Undoubtly the alpha will be a good camera, priced a bit too high, but in no way can I see it as a Nikon killer.
On-sensor anti-shake also has downsides. It does not correct the view trough the viewfinder, whereas the VR and IS technologies do. This might not look that important, but is very useful handholding and retaining a decent view trough a long lens. This stabilized view trough the lens also helps the AF system to get better and faster focus lock.
Originally posted by eschelar:
As to getting a 1D Mk II for two grand, I almost got one myself, most of them in my price range were 7000-15000 actuations to be honest.
Not that many for a 1D. |
I have a hard time to believe that anyone would sell a 1D Mk2 with a 1500 bucks loss if there were only 15k actuations on it. If they were I would not have thought twice and got one. Were those demos?
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