Pretty sure I know the answer, but...

07/11/2006 10:54:32 PM · #1

Using CS2 in Basic editing, is it legal to use a new adjustment layer using the option "Photo Filter" applied uniformally?

07/11/2006 10:58:03 PM · #2

Originally posted by Sunniee:

Using CS2 in Basic editing, is it legal to use a new adjustment layer using the option "Photo Filter" applied uniformally?

Yes...just don't change the blend modes on it.

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 22:58:13.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

07/11/2006 10:58:41 PM · #3

Wouldn't it be just as easy to run a color balance layer? Technically the filter is a filter, and it's not preserving the integrity of the image, it's editing pixels...doesn't it do the same thing as adjusting color balance though? I could be thinking of something completely different.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

07/11/2006 11:00:23 PM · #4

Filters: The use of filters (or non-Photoshop equivalent) is strictly limited. Any filter or stand-alone utility designed and used to preserve the integrity of the image and/or reduce the effects of noise, scratches, etc, are permitted. These include but are not limited to the Sharpen, Unsharp Mask, and Dust & Scratches filters, and standalone image cleanup utilities such as NeatImage. However, no effects filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur, which are allowed. Any filter permitted by this rule must be applied uniformly to the entire image. Selective application of any filter is prohibited.

07/11/2006 11:01:22 PM · #5

Photo Filter is an Adjustment layer in CS2 and this question has been asked numerous times before, including from me...and the answer is yes...it is the same as a Hue & Saturation Adjustment layer.

From memory, the answer I was given was you can change the colour of the image as much as you like as long as it is applied to the entire image and no selections are made.

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 23:02:03.

07/11/2006 11:01:35 PM · #6

Think I better be safe and go about it a different way... sigh
Thanks!

07/11/2006 11:02:22 PM · #7

Originally posted by Judi:

Photo Filter is an Adjustment layer in CS2 and this question has been asked numerous times before, including from me...and the answer is yes...it is the same as a Hue & Saturation Adjustment layer.

Really.... hmmmm, ok!

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/11/2006 11:02:33 PM · #8

Site Council...can you please step in here and answer this question.

alfresco

Nikon D700

07/11/2006 11:08:45 PM · #9

It's an adjustment layer, it's called Photo Filter because it acts like a filter you put in front of the lens. This adjustment layer does not contain pixel data nor does it do anything but change the color of the pixels beneath it.

Filter in this case is not = to 'photoshop filter'

07/11/2006 11:09:13 PM · #10

Originally posted by Judi:

Photo Filter is an Adjustment layer in CS2 and this question has been asked numerous times before, including from me...and the answer is yes...it is the same as a Hue & Saturation Adjustment layer.

But it's not the same as a Hue & Saturation adjustment layer...it's applying a filter to your photo that doesn't necessarily 'preserve the integrity' of the image...

No more than selectively applying a mask to bring the dynamic range more to what your eye saw...

The fact is that technically, drawing a border with the pencil tool ... and expanding the canvas are *technically* the same...although one is legal, and one is illegal.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/11/2006 11:11:41 PM · #11

Photo Filter adjustment layers ARE legal in Basic.

07/11/2006 11:12:14 PM · #12

Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by Judi:
Photo Filter is an Adjustment layer in CS2 and this question has been asked numerous times before, including from me...and the answer is yes...it is the same as a Hue & Saturation Adjustment layer.

But it's not the same as a Hue & Saturation adjustment layer...it's applying a filter to your photo that doesn't necessarily 'preserve the integrity' of the image...

No more than selectively applying a mask to bring the dynamic range more to what your eye saw...

The fact is that technically, drawing a border with the pencil tool ... and expanding the canvas are *technically* the same...although one is legal, and one is illegal.

Ugh! Whatever...fight with SC over it...not me!

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/11/2006 11:12:55 PM · #13

Originally posted by scalvert:

Photo Filter adjustment layers ARE legal in Basic.

Thankyou!!

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

07/11/2006 11:12:58 PM · #14

Originally posted by scalvert:

Photo Filter adjustment layers ARE legal in Basic.

Game, Set & Match!

:-P

07/11/2006 11:13:00 PM · #15

Originally posted by scalvert:

Photo Filter adjustment layers ARE legal in Basic.

YEA!! I dont have to change it! Going to enter my shot now!

07/11/2006 11:15:01 PM · #16

Originally posted by Sunniee:

Originally posted by scalvert:
Photo Filter adjustment layers ARE legal in Basic.

YEA!! I dont have to change it! Going to enter my shot now!

Good girl. YOu did the right thing. If you are unsure always ask.

07/11/2006 11:16:19 PM · #17

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by Judi:
Photo Filter is an Adjustment layer in CS2 and this question has been asked numerous times before, including from me...and the answer is yes...it is the same as a Hue & Saturation Adjustment layer.

But it's not the same as a Hue & Saturation adjustment layer...it's applying a filter to your photo that doesn't necessarily 'preserve the integrity' of the image...

No more than selectively applying a mask to bring the dynamic range more to what your eye saw...

The fact is that technically, drawing a border with the pencil tool ... and expanding the canvas are *technically* the same...although one is legal, and one is illegal.

Ugh! Whatever...fight with SC over it...not me!

No one's fighting with anyone. Calm down, step away from the computer, and stop screaming!

07/11/2006 11:19:11 PM · #18

Originally posted by deapee:

No one's fighting with anyone. Calm down, step away from the computer, and stop screaming!

I ain't screaming....just wiping my hands of it.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/11/2006 11:20:59 PM · #19

Originally posted by deapee:

But it's not the same as a Hue & Saturation adjustment layer...it's applying a filter to your photo that doesn't necessarily 'preserve the integrity' of the image...

Adjustment Layers are specifically permitted in Basic (even the Gradient Map) as long as they're applied to the whole image. Despite the name, Photo Filter isn't really a "filter" in the editing sense- it's a color shift, and even radical color shifts have historically been allowed (globally in Basic and selectively in Advanced).

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 23:23:55.

07/11/2006 11:30:21 PM · #20

Originally posted by scalvert:

I agree, scalvert, and drawing pixels on your photo in the shape of a border isn't really "adding pixels" in the editing sense -- it's adding a border -- so why isn't that legal?

It's obviously a filter, because it's called a filter...who cares if it shifts colors or draws a big happy smiley face in the middle of your photograph...a filter's a filter, and filters (that don't preserve the integrity of the image) are...and should be considered by the site council to be...illegal in basic editing.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/11/2006 11:35:03 PM · #21

It's called Photo Filter because it mimics a colored filter screwed onto the camera lens, but the name is irrelevant. If it had been called "Tint" instead, there wouldn't even be a discussion here (and that's probably a more accurate description of what it does). Changing the color is no more of an integrity issue than changing to B&W or Sepia. Bottom line is that it's an Adjustment Layer, and those are legal.

As an aside, I believe borders tend to fall outside the normal editing rules. For one thing, many borders necessitate making a selection (which isn't otherwise legal in Basic). As long as you aren't adding text, clip art/artwork, expanding your image area, or making funky shapes that look more like a feature of the image than a border, most borders have historically been ruled legal.

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 23:43:37.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/11/2006 11:35:07 PM · #22

Originally posted by deapee:

It's obviously a filter, because it's called a filter...who cares if it shifts colors or draws a big happy smiley face in the middle of your photograph...a filter's a filter, and filters

Would you put the paper you use to make coffee in front of your lens?

It is not a "filter" within the definition used by DPC, as determined by DPC, so we don't care if you call it a filter or Uncle Charlie -- this particular Photoshop adjustment is legal ...

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/11/2006 11:39:13 PM · #23

I think your thinking is backwards on this issue.

Obviously the same thing can be achieved through other means...other than by using a filter. Obviously it's a filter...they call it a filter, it's a filter.

If they wanted it to not be a filter, maybe they would have called it a color balance layer...or a selective color layer...or a photo tint...but it's obvious that it is a filter by creation, so I stand by my original thinking...afterall, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...it certainly isn't a penguin, right?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

07/11/2006 11:45:45 PM · #24

They call it a filter because its effect is analogous to a physical filter screwed onto the front of your lens -- it has nothing to do with being an algorithm to change a pixel based on the value of its naighbor, which is what "Photoshop filters" are.

What's the problem with accepting that we have determined that what it does is legal, and it doesn't matter one whit what they call it?

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 23:46:10.