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 07/10/2006 02:08:21 PM · #1
This may not be a new idea, but I was thinking it would be interesting to see what the result of this type of challenge would be.

Here is my thinking: There are four challenges currently on the results page. Of the top 40 pictures in these challenges (the top ten from each of the four), 38 of them were taken with SLRs. Digital SLRs are becoming more and more pervasive in the top ten lists. I wonder what those same people would be able to pull off with lesser equipment? Now we all know that is the skill of the photographer that ultimately determines the quality of the result, but I also think we would all admit that any digital SLR is likely to have better optics, more control, and generally higher quality output than what is possible with, say, a 3 megapixel point and shoot.

I don't have an SLR and I desperately want one, but I along with many others I'm sure can't afford to drop a 1000+ on a camera. Just pointing this out so you don't think I'm just jealous. Oh, I am, but that is not what this idea is about.

Why don't we see what happens when we define the tools that can be used, as well as the subject? For one challenge I mean. Comments?
 07/10/2006 02:17:21 PM · #2
I'd be up for the challenge. Cool idea!

1. You may have to define Point and Shoot better - like any camera that doesn't have interchangable lenses?

2. Would entering a photo taken with a DSRL be DQ able?

Point and shoot camera have done well on DPChallenge, like this photo for instance, taken with a 2 megapixel Sony Mavica:


Message edited by author 2006-07-10 14:17:59.
 07/10/2006 02:17:30 PM · #3
Originally posted by Army of nOne:
This may not be a new idea, but I was thinking it would be interesting to see what the result of this type of challenge would be.

Here is my thinking: There are four challenges currently on the results page. Of the top 40 pictures in these challenges (the top ten from each of the four), 38 of them were taken with SLRs. Digital SLRs are becoming more and more pervasive in the top ten lists. I wonder what those same people would be able to pull off with lesser equipment? Now we all know that is the skill of the photographer that ultimately determines the quality of the result, but I also think we would all admit that any digital SLR is likely to have better optics, more control, and generally higher quality output than what is possible with, say, a 3 megapixel point and shoot.

I don't have an SLR and I desperately want one, but I along with many others I'm sure can't afford to drop a 1000+ on a camera. Just pointing this out so you don't think I'm just jealous. Oh, I am, but that is not what this idea is about.

Why don't we see what happens when we define the tools that can be used, as well as the subject? For one challenge I mean. Comments?


this was brought up before and the main argument being "what constitues a point and shoot?" some non slrs have as much control as an dSLR.

edit to add: it still will come down to money invested in somepeoples minds. the Sony DSC-R1 for example can't change lenses but is 10 megapixel, has all the controls of an SLR, a carl zeiss lens and much more. hell it even has a hot shoe mount! but it costs more than many entry level dSLRs and is only a few hundred less than a nikon D200.


Message edited by author 2006-07-10 14:22:35.
 07/10/2006 02:19:48 PM · #4
Fairly good idea. I suppose most people with digital SLR's also have a point-and-shoot in their closet underneath the potpourri basket that grandma gave them in 1986. Some people will probably be unhappy if all they have is an SLR but it would be neat to see who can make the most out of the more common point and shoot cameras.
 07/10/2006 02:25:03 PM · #5
taken with a 5 year old 4 MP Point & Shoot...
 07/10/2006 02:27:14 PM · #6
At 640 pixels maximum size for entries, this just isn't a valid distinction IMO. Take a look at the Olympus D-600L page and see what I mean. This 1.3 megapixel camera, in the hands of Joey, produced some stunning results.

It's all about your vision and your processing skills, regardless of what camera you use. Add to that the difficulty of even defining "point and shoot" and it hardly seems worth the effort to me.

IMO, the main reason dSLR cams dominate the ribbons is because the best photographers almost all end up making the move to better systems sooner or later. And many of these photographers were already winning ribbons with "lesser" cameras before they made the move.

Robt.
 07/10/2006 02:28:21 PM · #7
Puhleeeeeeeze... The only reason that DSLR cameras "dominate" the top 40 list is because people with DSRL cameras tend to take photography more seriously than people with p&s cameras and therefore tend to spend more money on camera equipment.

By all means have a p&s challenge but to blame the cameras for less results is just silly, just look at what Joey L. used to pull out of his 1.3 megapixel olympus, stuff way better than I can drag out of my stupid L glass and full frame camera. Anyway, I can probably drag my old Olympus 340L and kick all of your asses so bring this challenge on :)
 07/10/2006 02:29:31 PM · #8
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


IMO, the main reason dSLR cams dominate the ribbons is because the best photographers almost all end up making the move to better systems sooner or later. And many of these photographers were already winning ribbons with "lesser" cameras before they made the move.

Robt.


I thought it was whom ever had prettier models?
 07/10/2006 02:30:22 PM · #9
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
IMO, the main reason dSLR cams dominate the ribbons is because the best photographers almost all end up making the move to better systems sooner or later. And many of these photographers were already winning ribbons with "lesser" cameras before they made the move.

Robt.


As a P&S user, I agree wholeheartedly with that comment. And I wouldn't want a separate challenge. I still want to compete with the best of the best (even though, talentwise, I just can't). :)
 07/10/2006 02:31:50 PM · #10
Sounds great Matt but wait...oh yeah, I gave my only p&s to you :) Your camera list could use some updating.

Message edited by author 2006-07-10 14:34:01.
 07/10/2006 02:58:21 PM · #11
I'm ambivalent about this challenge. I still have a couple of P&S cameras that work fine so I'd likely enter. Most DSLR owners probably have a P&S, so I'd expect to see the same poeple at the top of the reults page.
07/10/2006 03:08:40 PM · #12
FWIW, most of my highest scoring photos were taken with a P&S. Technically, I can do more with my Coolpix 8700 than my 300D and at web size, I bet noone here can tell the difference between the two.

All said, I think a P&S challenge is less of a good idea than many think.

With a connection to the hotshoe or with flashes set to slave, some of the higher end P&S cameras (like the 8700) can run a full studio lighting setup. Hell, I've done it with my old 2 megapixel Coolpix 950 with a peanut slave taped in front of my on-board flash.
 07/10/2006 03:17:04 PM · #13
I think this would be neat. I agree that probably the same people would be top scorers. However, it is like with the "straight from the camera" challenge - it taught me what can be done with no editing. This challenge might show people what can be done with only a point and shoot.
 07/10/2006 04:06:37 PM · #14
I had already brought up this challenge before.
07/10/2006 04:31:08 PM · #15
and ? what's the conclusion ? we want it or we dump it ?
 07/10/2006 05:05:10 PM · #16
Originally posted by gooc:
and ? what's the conclusion ? we want it or we dump it ?


Same as the no editing challenge, I figure it can't hurt to do it once.
 07/10/2006 05:13:29 PM · #17
I'm game. I'd consider it yet another free study.
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