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 04/07/2003 11:36:55 AM · #1
Well, I know most people are usually a little disapointed when their submition doesn't score too high (unless you're in the top 10 of course) however I received the same amounts of positive comments as the Blue Ribbon pic but ended up in 119th place. Good pic by the way, Congrats on #1 xertion. Many of the comments even wanted a toutorial on how I did it. I have put together a toutorial and submited it and am just waiting for it to be posted. But, can I get some good constructive critisism on why I scored wo low? Was is TOO different and strange? Anything would be useful. Thanks!

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 04/07/2003 11:45:38 AM · #2
Cool shot. The number one distraction is the focus, in my experience if you don't have at least a bit of the shot in focus you will be marked down quite a bit.
 04/07/2003 11:47:27 AM · #3
I didn't vote that challenge, but my initial reaction is that it's too freaky. It's highly unnatural. Especially the fact that there are no seams down the center. Some people may have thought that it was done in Photoshop too. Others may have thought it was not compliant with the challenge, I mean... it isn't really symmetrical.

Just some ideas why it scored so low.
 04/07/2003 11:48:27 AM · #4
Rotation symmetry is just as symmetrical as reflected symmetry :)
 04/07/2003 11:58:26 AM · #5
To score well, it may be that we must take the STRICTEST interpretation of the challenge. I'm glad that some photographers do not and that nice photos are being created anyway.

It's kind of like the pi challenge being voted upon now. I suspect that the shots that will do well will have no doubt that they deal with pi for nearly all voters. Which is too bad. There are a few great shots that won't do well, even though they are masterful and even though they are very much about pi or communicate how pi is used. I feel it will be a low scoring challenge, just because lots of 1s will be given because folks can't remember their geometry.


04/07/2003 12:26:39 PM · #6
Thanks for the constructive critisism everyone. In the end I guess it was just a little too wierd. Oh well. Anyway, I'll be sure to notifiy everyone when the toutorial is posted. It was actually, pretty simple but some folks out there requested the toutorial and I was happy to provide it.

Thanks Again!!!
 04/07/2003 12:28:28 PM · #7
Originally posted by dsidwell:
To score well, it may be that we must take the STRICTEST interpretation of the challenge. I'm glad that some photographers do not and that nice photos are being created anyway.

It's kind of like the pi challenge being voted upon now. I suspect that the shots that will do well will have no doubt that they deal with pi for nearly all voters. Which is too bad. There are a few great shots that won't do well, even though they are masterful and even though they are very much about pi or communicate how pi is used. I feel it will be a low scoring challenge, just because lots of 1s will be given because folks can't remember their geometry.


I disagree, Pi is a member challenge, there aren't very many low votes cast in the member challenges, I guess if you pay for the site you are less likely to be a troll :)
 04/07/2003 12:30:02 PM · #8
Yeah. I thought this one was too freaky. Especially the 'Bug Eye' look.
 04/07/2003 06:57:21 PM · #9
>>there aren't very many low votes cast in the member challenges

Oh yeah?

Ed
 04/07/2003 07:19:46 PM · #10
Originally posted by e301:
>>there aren't very many low votes cast in the member challenges

Oh yeah?

Ed


Scoring not so good? :)
 04/07/2003 08:21:09 PM · #11
well, first of all, your score isn't that bad. you don't have a long enough track record here to find out where your average will be, but if it stays around 5.6 you will be doing well.

i gave you a six. i thought in meeting the subject it was fine, but did not blow me away, technically it was good, but not great, and in terms of originality it was very cool - so i gave you a good but not great score. how many times did you have to take the shot?
 04/07/2003 08:52:59 PM · #12
I think it's hard to judge what MOST of the people are going to like. I think that most people want to see images they can relate to and that are familiar, etc. The face picture or yours is interesting but it doesn't have that broad appeal unless you're a special effects person who appreciates it, etc.

I was going to submit the picture below for the Color challenge because I like abstract pictures, but then realized it probably wouldn't do well because like I said, most people want to see "reality" and things they can identify with... that's more appealing to most people, so instead I entered a more "traditional" picture.

I'm curious as to how you would rate this picture for the Color challange:


04/07/2003 08:57:53 PM · #13
Personnally I like it , probably a 7
Lionel
 04/07/2003 09:07:51 PM · #14
Chris brings up an interesting point. How many of us are submitting our photos based on what we think the voters will appreciate rather than what we like and what is pleasing to us as artists. It does seem like the general voter is rather strict on interpretation of the challenge, which doesn't leave as much room for personal creativity and interpretation, but, that's the nature of an open challenge, and we're still having fun trying for that illusive ribbon, aren't we? I'm just trying to find a happy medium, and I am pleased with my placing in the Symmetry challege (29) so I'm not complaining.
 04/07/2003 09:28:26 PM · #15
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
I'm curious as to how you would rate this picture for the Color challange:


3 max.. It's blurry (yeah I know..) to the point where it just looks like a big mess. The colors (whats left of them after the processing) are dull. It's very flat, and kinda just looks like a lot of mush.
 04/07/2003 09:30:35 PM · #16
Originally posted by lionelm:
Personnally I like it , probably a 7
Lionel


Me too a 7. I also like it.
 04/07/2003 10:28:08 PM · #17
Originally posted by joebar:
3 max.. It's blurry (yeah I know..) to the point where it just looks like a big mess. The colors (whats left of them after the processing) are dull. It's very flat, and kinda just looks like a lot of mush.


See this proves my point that tastes differ so widely... and all three of you that have commented have great pictures in your profiles. Justine and Lionel have a couple slightly abstract pics while Joebar doesn't. Your's are the great watch picture (Ad) and lighter that just won, which are very clear, recognizable subjects, so that may be part of why you don't like it.

The picture has NO post processing that distorted the picture at all, just Levels and that's it. You say you don't like the "blurry and faded" look of the colors, but I see it differently: Fairly strong colors at the top that fade out in the middle and bottom. I think that's kinda cool but this goes to show that not everyone likes the same things. And I bet most of the voters would vote the same way as Joebar: Anywhere from 1 to 5. But I think if I were voting on it, I'd probably give it a 6 or 7.

This makes me think about the new challenge DPC is considering which is "Artist" challenges. I think if that comes around we'll see votes that are all over the place. Might be interesting to see. :)
 04/07/2003 10:31:20 PM · #18
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
I think it's hard to judge what MOST of the people are going to like. I think that most people want to see images they can relate to and that are familiar, etc. The face picture or yours is interesting but it doesn't have that broad appeal unless you're a special effects person who appreciates it, etc.

I was going to submit the picture below for the Color challenge because I like abstract pictures, but then realized it probably wouldn't do well because like I said, most people want to see "reality" and things they can identify with... that's more appealing to most people, so instead I entered a more "traditional" picture.

I'm curious as to how you would rate this picture for the Color challange:



as the composition is great and the color is vivid, but it seems more like digital art than photography...
04/08/2003 12:05:56 AM · #19
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
See this proves my point that tastes differ so widely... and all three of you that have commented have great pictures in your profiles. Justine and Lionel have a couple slightly abstract pics while Joebar doesn't. Your's are the great watch picture (Ad) and lighter that just won, which are very clear, recognizable subjects, so that may be part of why you don't like it.


That's the way it goes man.. To each his own. I really like my contrasty, clean, shadowy photo that I sent in for color, but it's at sub-5 levels right.. I think it shows good color, but I guess it's not colorful enough.

As long as you like it!


Oh, and thanks for not taking my comments as a flame and starting a war, but taking it as a valid opinion :) It's nice to see that once in a while!

Message edited by author 2003-04-08 00:10:56.
 04/08/2003 01:47:50 AM · #20
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
I'm curious as to how you would rate this picture for the Color challange:


4 or 5. I like the Idea. Very creative, but the picture is grainy and the colors are blurred together. Maybe if you had a shorter timelaps or the paperclips weren't swinging so much, the colors would be more defined. Or you could try to have the same (or similar) colors on the horizontal, so they don't mix as much.

Another idea to try, which I have not done myself so don't know how hard it would be, would be to have a stobe light to capture individual 'snapshots' in the same image. I saw something like that in the Time challenge. The Falling hourglass. It was a nice effect.
 04/08/2003 01:49:21 AM · #21
K-Rob

5.5 is good for just your second image. It also makes a great profile picture.
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