attention council, proof sent twice already

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

06/28/2006 01:41:44 PM · #1

i have sent the proof for my entry twice already and have received confirmation but i kept on receiving red notices as below:

"We need proof that the following submission is valid. Please click on the image listed and submit your proof. Failure to do so may result in disqualification.

Young and Alone from the 'Desolation II' challenge."

i was waiting for emails if there's something wrong with my proofs. I don't want to be DQ'd you know.

Do i need to submit the third time? help!

Canon EOS-20D

06/28/2006 01:42:31 PM · #2

Try //www.dpchallenge.com/help_contact.php

That'd be the best way to handle this.

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

06/28/2006 01:42:58 PM · #3

Are you sure you're submitting the ORIGINAL file? Untouched original I mean?

06/28/2006 01:48:14 PM · #4

Sent you a PM.

Please note everyone that saving an image through Picture Project changes the dates and invalidates the originals.

If you shoot RAW, send the RAW image (and not a copy of RAW, I've saved NEF copies through Nikon Capture and the dates change), or the original as it came out of camera JPG if shot JPG. Don't send an image that was saved through Picture Project.

Maybe somebody else can explain this better.

Like in prior instances similar to this, I don't doubt that your image is valid, or, I don't think you're cheating, but for everyone's best interest we need to stick to the original with valid EXIF rule.

And, just to make it clear, I am constantly trying to figure out how to validate images, not how to DQ them.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

06/28/2006 01:48:33 PM · #5

The file you sent (twice) as proof for your 4th place image in the "Desolation" challenge is a copy of your original, saved through Picture Project.

Would you be able to send either the RAW original (if the image was shot RAW), or the JPG as it came from your camera to your computer, without first saving it through Picture Project.

Please let us know if you need help with this.

Site Council

yann

06/28/2006 01:54:17 PM · #6

So Nikon Capture can't be used to transfer images from CF card to computer from NEF to NEF with only a filename change?

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

06/28/2006 02:00:48 PM · #7

Originally posted by yann:

So Nikon Capture can't be used to transfer images from CF card to computer from NEF to NEF with only a filename change?

It can be used for transfer just fine. Renaming is just fine also.

The problem is saving through either PP or Nikon Capture - it invalidates the original dates.

When you transfer files from camera to computer, you do not need to save files, they are already being copied to your computer.

In other words, you can get your files over from camera to computer using Picture Project, but you can't open the file and resave it and then send this saved file as proof (original). It has to be the original as it came out of the camera, not saved through Picture Project or Nikon Capture.

NOTE: It's so hard to explain this. But the concept is not that difficult. Transferring from camera to computer does not alter the dates. Saving through PP or NC does.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

06/28/2006 02:06:00 PM · #8

This would be a good place to remind people that the absolute, safest way to deal with this problem is to do direct card-to-computer image transfers via a card reader, using NO extra software at all.

The card reader mounts as a drive; you make a folder on your hard drive and open it; you open the card reader drive; you hit cntrl-A to select all, and drag them to the hard drive folder; they copy over automatically at that point.

THEN, if you have some software you like for image organizing, you can open all the files from the hard drive with that, and you can do what you usually do. But keep the original "dump" folder intact at least until you have determined which, if any, of the images in it will become DPC entries; those you need to keep, the rest you can toss if you have space problems, since you have a whole other set now in your image organizer.

FWIW, my hard drive has on the desktop a folder called "JPG Drop", and this has in it a subfolder called "2006 Originals", and THAT has in it a new folder for each day of shooting, like "06_28_2006 Red River Beach", and each of THOSE has a subfolder like "edited 6_28_06", and that's how I keep it all straight. When I come back from a day's shooting, I open the JPG Drop folder, navigate to the "originals" subfolder, and create a new folder for the day's work, then plug in the reader and dump it into that.

Robt.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/28/2006 02:10:47 PM · #9

True, good reminder.

Yet, some of us prefer to use transfer software, and there's no problem with it, except when saving afterwards using this transfer software. I use Picture Project, and I keep my original "dump" folder untouched every time and I don't need any renaming after transfer.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

06/28/2006 02:12:40 PM · #10

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

This would be a good place to remind people that the absolute, safest way to deal with this problem is to do direct card-to-computer image transfers via a card reader, using NO extra software at all.

These days, most cameras also show up on your desktop when connected, and you can simply drag the files over from there. Card readers are generally much faster (especially Firewire), but the majority of people probably don't need any software at all to get the files off their cameras.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

06/28/2006 02:15:16 PM · #11

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This would be a good place to remind people that the absolute, safest way to deal with this problem is to do direct card-to-computer image transfers via a card reader, using NO extra software at all.

These days, most cameras also show up on your desktop when connected, and you can simply drag the files over from there. Card readers are generally much faster (especially Firewire), but the majority of people probably don't need any software at all to get the files off their cameras.

True. Dragging files over is a piece of cake. Transfer software simply allows me to rename the files to my liking.

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

06/28/2006 02:28:57 PM · #12

Originally posted by scalvert:

Ahhh but not everyone uses a Mac... ;)

_eug

Nikon D50

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/28/2006 02:33:36 PM · #13

Also note that if your are shooting RAW and working with Nikon Capture that you should be working from a COPY of your .NEF file. Nikon's software WILL save the changes to your original therefore invalidating your image for DPC. This is not the case with RawShooter Esentials (RSE) or RawShooter Premier (RSP) which saves the changes in a file in a different folder.

I use RSE over Nikon Capture EXCEPT when I want to capture from Camera to computer via USB.

ralph

Nikon Z9

06/28/2006 02:35:50 PM · #14

is this saying that revert to original is not acceptible in Nikon Capture ?

I always save my images from Capture because that data can always be reverted.

or is this a tranfere only issue ?

strangeghost

Canon EOS-7D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

06/28/2006 02:36:44 PM · #15

Much to their peril. :-)

Originally posted by doctornick:

Ahhh but not everyone uses a Mac... ;) [/quote]

06/28/2006 02:37:35 PM · #16

Originally posted by strangeghost:

Much to their peril. :-)

Originally posted by doctornick:

Ahhh but not everyone uses a Mac... ;)

[/quote]

Me's gonna be a MacGirl soon :)

06/28/2006 02:39:28 PM · #17

when i was using my D100, I always download files from CF using Nikon View. I have been doing this primarily to organize my filing and naming of files.

I have sent proofs in the past using my Original Jpegs from Nikon View (transfered through Nikon transfer)and were approved here in DPC.

Now that I am using a new D200, I'm using Picture Project to download photos into my computer. This is the software that comes with the package. Nikon View doesnt work with D200(incidentally, my version of Nikon View v.6.0 also doesn't work with my D70 files).

I know how to drag files and folders directly from my CF to the PC but I would like to maintain my filing and renaming system which I have been using for 3 years. Dragging to PC doesn't fix this and is not very organized. The extra step of renaming also won't be practical since I usually download photos to my PC and my Mac maintaining the same names using PictureProject.

That is my dilemma now. Can anyone help me with this? I don't have Nikon Capture. I'm not even sure if the RAW file I sent just now carry with it the original EXIF or not.

In my Xp explorer, when i click Properties, I can see the info for the Date when Picture was Taken and the Camera Model. Does this help validate the photo?

thanks again for helping out.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/28/2006 02:40:39 PM · #18

hi council,

i set the camera to record RAW and Large Jpeg at the same time when I shoot (because I don't know how to edit RAW files yet).

i have submitted the original Large Jpeg file (now i'm sending the RAW) but I was informed it does not carry the original EXif data. I'm wondering why.

does this mean I have to always send the RAW for proof? I read on one of the threads that I can send the Jpeg that come with the raw file.

hope this is ok now. i appreciate your work as SC. God bless.

_eug

Nikon D50

06/28/2006 02:42:49 PM · #19

Originally posted by ralphnev:

is this saying that revert to original is not acceptible in Nikon Capture? I always save my images from Capture because that data can always be reverted. or is this a tranfere only issue ?

Once you save the image over the original you affect the FILESYSTEM date which will not match the EXIM file date. Reverting WILL NOT revert the FILESYSTEM date. This makes your file invalid. DQ.

YOU MUST HAVE AN UNTOUCHED COPY. No if's, ands, or buts.

Where's mk? This should be added to the FAQ! lol

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

06/28/2006 02:47:48 PM · #20

Originally posted by _eug:

Where's mk? This should be added to the FAQ! lol

I thought about it actually but I just don't know enough about the various transfer programs to do a decent write up. Perhaps I can do a generic bit.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

06/28/2006 02:51:13 PM · #21

Originally posted by _eug:

When you work in Nikon Capture up to 4.x it does indeed change the NEF when you save it after you made changes, including the exif. Another program like photoshop will be able to open the changed files but will not recognize the changes you made.
Nikon Capture also has the option to manually save the changes in a seperate .set file. After you saved the .set you need to cancel saving the changes. When you want to rework with the old settings you open the nef and open the .set to combine them again. I do this always.
It is under Settings-->Image Adjustments-->Save all adjustments or hit Ctrl+I to go straight to the menu.
The soon the be released successor of 4.x, Nikon Capure NX (very cool and could be a lot of trouble for basic editing validation with its control points) will save changes in a seperate file and automatically combine them.

I have experimented with RSE and Adobe CR, but I don't like them (lower quality output). I hope to experiment with Capture One soon.

06/28/2006 02:55:02 PM · #22

David, no need to worry anymore.

The RAW file you just sent is fine :)

YEAH!!!!!

06/28/2006 03:02:29 PM · #23

Originally posted by davidus428:

hi council,

does this mean I have to always send the RAW for proof? I read on one of the threads that I can send the Jpeg that come with the raw file.

To be absolutely on the safe side, send in the RAW file.

I believe there is a way you can use JPGs that come with RAW for proof, but I'm not sure when it applies or doesn't. Need to check into it more first.