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 06/24/2006 04:56:53 PM · #301
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by kyebosh:
This may be off topic but:

Is there any chance of a no "price policing" rule for FS/FT type threads? Buying and selling should be between the seller and the potential buyers, and those who don't like the offered deal should not be trying to disrupt the sales or bargaining process.

Thanks.


I half agree with you?

I think the price should be listed but no one is allowed to bitch about the price publically.

Yes exactly, i've seen it happen a number of times, and i think it's out of line.
 06/24/2006 04:58:17 PM · #302
Originally posted by ElGordo:
As long as there is a call for suggestions....

How many times have you taken a photo that you really like and then a challenge is announced which would fit that photo perfectly? But, darn it, you took the photo too soon! Suppose the grace period for 'date taken' was extended to include one week prior to the challenge announcement? Now there would be a two week window; still announce a challenge every week so there are the same number of challenges.
Any thoughts, pro or con?


then it is not really a challenge.
 06/24/2006 06:15:31 PM · #303
Something like that was once suggested as a special (one-time) challenge, which makes more sense.
 06/24/2006 06:59:56 PM · #304
I would like to be able to sharpen on a duplicate, pixel bearing layer in basic. Sharpening on the background layer is just a bad habit to get into in the real world of photo editing.
 06/24/2006 07:30:55 PM · #305
i agree and don't see the harm of allowing this.

Originally posted by bvoi:
I would like to be able to sharpen on a duplicate, pixel bearing layer in basic. Sharpening on the background layer is just a bad habit to get into in the real world of photo editing.

 06/24/2006 08:02:56 PM · #306
Originally posted by bvoi:
I would like to be able to sharpen on a duplicate, pixel bearing layer in basic. Sharpening on the background layer is just a bad habit to get into in the real world of photo editing.

What is allowed in the open challenges is not the real world of photo editing.
 06/24/2006 08:25:05 PM · #307
by no means is it. there is no harm in allowing this option. it does not - in any way - change the look of the submitted image.

Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by bvoi:

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I would like to be able to sharpen on a duplicate, pixel bearing layer in basic. Sharpening on the background layer is just a bad habit to get into in the real world of photo editing.

What is allowed in the open challenges is not the real world of photo editing.


Message edited by author 2006-06-24 20:25:22.
 06/24/2006 08:26:22 PM · #308
Originally posted by soup:
by no means is it. there is no harm in allowing this option. it does not - in any way - change the look of the submitted image.

Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by bvoi:

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I would like to be able to sharpen on a duplicate, pixel bearing layer in basic. Sharpening on the background layer is just a bad habit to get into in the real world of photo editing.

What is allowed in the open challenges is not the real world of photo editing.


Your right as long as the opacity is left at 100%.
 06/24/2006 08:45:45 PM · #309
Originally posted by bvoi:
I would like to be able to sharpen on a duplicate, pixel bearing layer in basic.


If you're duplicating the entire image anyway, just do so before you open the file. You should be working on a copy anyway so you don't accidentally overwrite the original.

Message edited by author 2006-06-24 20:49:03.
 06/24/2006 08:55:02 PM · #310
Originally posted by Falc:

2. The original single exposure MUST only be converted from RAW once. It may not be processed multiple times using different parameters and combined at a later stage of post processing.


I could buy this in basic but in advanced, I think this is something that would be a good learning experience to allow. I want to play around with this because it has some pretty impressive benefits in some places - not that that means it needs to be in a challenge but that would give people more options. If we place too hard a limit on the advanced rules then we run some risk that people will not try these sort of techniques. I could go as far as allowing 3 or maybe 5 images (I obviously mean bracketed images here not different images) to be combined using this technique but a single image processed differently is a reasonable compromise.

Message edited by author 2006-06-24 20:56:08.
 06/24/2006 08:57:38 PM · #311
Originally posted by robs:
If we place too hard a limit on the advanced rules then we run some risk that people will not try these sort of techniques.


You're not a member. Do you only ever use techniques thare are allowed in basic?
 06/24/2006 09:50:10 PM · #312
Originally posted by kyebosh:
This may be off topic but:

Is there any chance of a no "price policing" rule for FS/FT type threads? Buying and selling should be between the seller and the potential buyers, and those who don't like the offered deal should not be trying to disrupt the sales or bargaining process.

Thanks.
I don't that kind of a rule would be very easy to enforce. It would be easy to disguise a "disruptive" remark as a question from an interested buyer. SC would have to make additional, unnecessary subjective judgements. As long as we have no dedicated Buy & Sell forums, and dpc is considered a community of friends, we should be able to point out betters deals elsewhere and help our fellow dpc'ers to be wise consumers.

FredMiranda and Ebay are places where you can go to buy & sell without fear of "disruption".

Message edited by author 2006-06-24 21:51:13.
 06/24/2006 09:52:34 PM · #313
Originally posted by coolhar:
we should be able to point out betters deals elsewhere and help our fellow dpc'ers to be wise consumers.

FredMiranda and Ebay are places where you can go to buy & sell without fear of "disruption".


I agree 100%
 06/24/2006 10:01:02 PM · #314
I much prefer that buy/sell threads be dedicated to buying and selling than to petty arguments about how much each individual thinks someone else should sell their items for.
 06/24/2006 10:03:54 PM · #315
Petty arguments, right, but we shouldn't stop people pointing out places where there are better deals or whatever... that's how people get ripped off.
 06/24/2006 10:05:02 PM · #316
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by kyebosh:
This may be off topic but:

Is there any chance of a no "price policing" rule for FS/FT type threads? Buying and selling should be between the seller and the potential buyers, and those who don't like the offered deal should not be trying to disrupt the sales or bargaining process.

Thanks.
I don't that kind of a rule would be very easy to enforce. It would be easy to disguise a "disruptive" remark as a question from an interested buyer. SC would have to make additional, unnecessary subjective judgements. As long as we have no dedicated Buy & Sell forums, and dpc is considered a community of friends, we should be able to point out betters deals elsewhere and help our fellow dpc'ers to be wise consumers.

FredMiranda and Ebay are places where you can go to buy & sell without fear of "disruption".


That rule is stricly enforced over at fredmiranda.com and if you don't believe me go over there nd tell someone in a thread you can get it cheaper elsewhere........see how quick you get a pm and your post is deleted.
 06/24/2006 10:08:39 PM · #317
As with any other post which may be in violation of the TOS, you merely have to hit the "Report Post" button for the item containing erroneous or fraudulent information, and not undertake to enforce the rules yourself. We have "police" already -- what we don't need is vigilantes.
 06/24/2006 10:13:53 PM · #318
Originally posted by Konador:
Petty arguments, right, but we shouldn't stop people pointing out places where there are better deals or whatever... that's how people get ripped off.


Well in that case, Express Cameras has the D70 for $499 so don't get ripped off by this thread. :P
 06/24/2006 10:16:47 PM · #319
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Konador:
Petty arguments, right, but we shouldn't stop people pointing out places where there are better deals or whatever... that's how people get ripped off.


Well in that case, Express Cameras has the D70 for $499 so don't get ripped off by this thread. :P


Ripoff would depend on ExpressCamera's reseller rating.
 06/24/2006 10:17:16 PM · #320
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by robs:
If we place too hard a limit on the advanced rules then we run some risk that people will not try these sort of techniques.


You're not a member. Do you only ever use techniques thare are allowed in basic?


Would you believe me if I said Yes :-) Obviously not but that is why I included "not that that means it needs to be in a challenge but that would give people more options". As you say, it's no difference to me either way talking about advanced challenges.
 06/24/2006 10:26:00 PM · #321
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
I'll take the opposite view and say no cloning of sensor dust should be permitted in basic.

It's impossible to get a sensor completely clean and keep it that way for more than one lens change......dust removal should be always be allowed in my opinion........
 06/24/2006 11:42:58 PM · #322
At the risk of putting my foot in it. I re-joined the site in April after having been off since Sept of last year,(previous user name Glen_King, don't ask about the current one, it's a long story).

I didn't know this thread existed untill someone inquired about it in the last 24 hours ago and I would like to make a couple of suggestions. If these have been heard already that's fine. keeping in mind that this site is for learning and sharing about photography:

#1 Voting: Members are probably somewhat more serious about the give/take of participation and voting. I propose that members(paying) should vote on 30-35% (maybe more) of a challenge to have their votes counted.

#2 Voting: Members should be required to vote a minimum in any challenge they enter. Alternatively members voting in a challenge in which they participate may be allowed to vote only 20% as is current.

#3 Comments: A member must also comment on a minimum number of photos in a challenge he votes on. Perhaps 30% of the pictures he votes on.

I can hear it already. The roars of we don't have time, there's too many entries, etc. I understand, and allowances can be made, perhaps if a challenge has more than say 300 entries, only voting/commenting on 15-20%.

These steps might encourage some of those participating to do alittle more. They might also encourage those that simply leave a comment like "yeech!" "Great" etc to devote a little more time to what they say about the entries we are looking at.

Thanks for taking time to read this. I'll be happy to discuss any of this in the forum.

06/25/2006 12:23:08 AM · #323
Basic editing should be allowed in basic editing challenges. Things like spot removal, dodge and burn (both previously stated), and perspective correction are way too basic to not be allowed. Things like these are taught in first semester high school photography classes. Can't get much more basic than that.
 06/25/2006 12:30:38 AM · #324
Originally posted by Konador:
Petty arguments, right, but we shouldn't stop people pointing out places where there are better deals or whatever... that's how people get ripped off.


Actually...people get ripped off by not researching and asking questions. If someone really feels the need to 'save' someone from what they believe is a rip off they can always privately PM an individual....saying it in a thread is, as kirbic put it, discourteous. Just my opinion though :)

06/25/2006 01:07:18 AM · #325
I like things the way they are. I think if you tweak, tweak it very little and in small steps. Follow the NFL's example and don't mess with what is working. You have a killer site here.
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