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 06/23/2006 03:40:48 PM · #26
Originally posted by GentleSoul:
I like the idea, but see how it would turn some people away from voting at all. Perhaps there's a way to achieve a happy medium?

What if instead of requiring comments on a certain percentage of the photos submitted to a challenge, a fixed number of comments was required instead? Something small, like 5. Or even 3. Small enough so that people who vote without commenting will not feel put upon, but enough so that as a whole, the number of comments provided for any given challenge would increase.

Yes, I'm sure there would be people who just filled in the obligatory 3 comments with nonsense, but I don't think it would stop anyone from voting if the number was small enough. And also, maybe, just maybe, it would get some folks who never comment to start to enjoy commenting and do it more than what was "required", as nominal as that number might be. Sort of just enough of a "try it, you'll like it" nudge.

Makes sense?

Liz


I'm also against the requiring of comments but this post really does make sense to me. I think if a requirement were to be implemented, this would be the way to do it.
 06/23/2006 03:48:38 PM · #27
Okay, how about this...

5 or 10% of the images have to be commented on.

To enter a challenge you have to have to have a ratio of helpful to total comments of 1:4 (25% helfpul). So if you make "-" comments, well, then you can't enter challenges, so the site will lose your contributions - which is really no loss at all, is it?

Or perhaps make a rule that to enter challenges you have to average 20 comments per challenge you've entered...
 06/23/2006 04:09:55 PM · #28
just throwing a different thought in here -
I think I've actually learned more from making comments than I have from receiving them. Sure it feels nice to get comments on your own photos, but there is a lot of growth to be had in really looking at someone elses picture, and seeing what works and what doesn't. Maybe what people who feel they'd like more comments so that they can learn more need to do (myself included), is to personally make the commitment to spend more time commenting on other peoples stuff. What goes around comes around.
 06/23/2006 04:10:24 PM · #29
But people have really different criteria of marking things helpful - some people don't mark anything.
 06/23/2006 04:12:24 PM · #30
There, I've posted my reply in the rants section :)
 06/23/2006 04:13:56 PM · #31
no

Wasn't there a once upon the time when we required comments (or a certain number)?

I don't recall it workign too well
 06/23/2006 04:23:12 PM · #32
I would comment a lot more if negative comments weren't so often publicly bashed in the forums.

I think we need a box under our submissions (just like for the Critique Club) to OPT into receiving comments. Along with that, we need to agree NOT to moan and complain about negative feedback.

This way, commenters know their feedback will be welcome and appreciated, rather than wasting their time on people who don't want it in the first place.

P.S. this must be about the 4th time I have suggested this. Perhaps some day someone will actually read and think about it.
 06/23/2006 04:26:29 PM · #33
Originally posted by Beetle:
I would comment a lot more if negative comments weren't so often publicly bashed in the forums.

I think we need a box under our submissions (just like for the Critique Club) to OPT into receiving comments. Along with that, we need to agree NOT to moan and complain about negative feedback.

This way, commenters know their feedback will be welcome and appreciated, rather than wasting their time on people who don't want it in the first place.

P.S. this must be about the 4th time I have suggested this. Perhaps some day someone will actually read and think about it.


Agreed, if the comment isn't "great picture" then it's demonized in the forums. I was going to start in depth comments a while back but found that people only seemed to want fluffy happy comments. IMO there's not a photo on the site that couldn't be improved in some small way.
 06/23/2006 04:31:11 PM · #34
Well, I actually agree with the need for a minimum number of comments but also can see why this could be difficult to manage without some kind of feedback loop from the recipient of the comment. The neat thing about allowing the recipient of the comment to judge the usefulness of the comment is that the negative critique club could really be started.

I can just see the kind of comments on comments:

Thank you for your comment in Challenge Mumble. Aside from the grammatical errors, your inability to perceive the artistic heights that I was attempting to scale with my picture, and your ignorance of the fact that I put my family into poverty to finance not just the taking of the shot but also the purchase of the new lens I needed to make the shot really happen, I truly believe that your monotonic observation "Yuck!" has helped me to personally justify the sacrifices that I and my family had to make. It is people like you that really make my endevours worthwhile."

You get the drift...

Or maybe you get to grade the comments on a simple to understand scale, such as:

"You have justified my commitment to this art"
"Your insightfulness has caused me to rethink my artistic values"
"I now realise where I have been going wrong"
"Your comment was so obtuse as to be void of any value"
"Man! You suck!"

Or have I started to lose it - again?
 06/23/2006 04:38:58 PM · #35
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
As it is now, for your vote to count you have to vote on 20% or more of the images.

I think there shold be a mandatory minimum of comments as well - 5% to start, maybe 10%. Or else you're vote does not count.

Sure, a lot fo them would be pointless comments - but right now that'd be better than no comments, or 'good', 'great' and 'a 10!'.

Are we more of a competition site, or educational?


I don't find the learning comes from comments as much as exposure to others work, and the constant exploration of trying to meet a challenge...
I am not interested in receiving comments from people who are feeling forced into writing them...
 06/23/2006 04:44:58 PM · #36
Originally posted by margiemu:
just throwing a different thought in here -
I think I've actually learned more from making comments than I have from receiving them. Sure it feels nice to get comments on your own photos, but there is a lot of growth to be had in really looking at someone elses picture, and seeing what works and what doesn't. ...


Exactly right. So 'forcing' comments might make people think.
Oh no, we don't want to encourage that, do we? ;)
 06/23/2006 04:47:03 PM · #37
Originally posted by Beetle:
I would comment a lot more if negative comments weren't so often publicly bashed in the forums.

I think we need a box under our submissions (just like for the Critique Club) to OPT into receiving comments. Along with that, we need to agree NOT to moan and complain about negative feedback.

This way, commenters know their feedback will be welcome and appreciated, rather than wasting their time on people who don't want it in the first place.

P.S. this must be about the 4th time I have suggested this. Perhaps some day someone will actually read and think about it.


If this were adopted, maybe it would be possible to implement something where you can only get comments if you're comments given is a certain percent of something... (well thought out marg... just thinking out loud here)
 06/23/2006 04:47:18 PM · #38
Forcing people to comment will dramaticly decrease the number of people on the site. If that is what you all want.. then by all means carry on.

Everyone is already on a voluntary basis. You can vote if you want to, or not. Enter a challenge if you want to or not. Leave a comment if you want to or not.

Also, none have to be done in conjection with the others. I could comment on the images without voting. I can vote without commenting. I can enter without voting or commenting, I can enter and vote, enter and comment, vote and comment....

Making restriction on /having to comment/ is going to discourage a great deal of people.

Yeah Yeah.. I have complained about comments. Im a dork. but still don't agree with the comments that have been made toward my images.

To me, some havn't been insitefull, or have the ablitity to look outside the box. If it isn't BRIGHT and Prefectly Techniqual the image doesn't matter.

whatever...

Basicly, if you don't want your comment to be complained about, think about what you are saying exactly before you type it out. Is the comment objective, is it trollish, is it degrading, is it.....

Makes life simple if you give an extra second, and makes it so I don't have to complain about a stupid comment.

makes me feel like im on Myspace, with everyone wanting more and more friends and 'whoreing' themselves out wanting the blurry arm length in the bathroom portrait to be called sexy and wanting.

Maybe we should just get rid in-challenge comments if they are such a big deal.

let users comment after the challenge.. .make it simple.
 06/23/2006 05:16:57 PM · #39
Originally posted by Beetle:
I would comment a lot more if negative comments weren't so often publicly bashed in the forums.


your quote eloquently sums up what I think the #1 problem is. And it is something that only the individual user can fix within him/herself. No site policy can be implemented to fix it.

In my opinion, this is the ONE thing I think that has cut down on comments given. Not just negative comments bashed in the forums, but also the "can you believe how unbelievably stupid this commenter is?" threads.

I started in dpc in 2002. Over four years ago (for the mathematically challenged). For over a year, I tried to comment on every picture in every challenge. Then, when time constraints got to be too much, I would vote then go back and leave comments on all the 3s and 4s (and 1s and 2s if I gave them).

Then, I decided, why bother because I found myself second guessing everything I was saying and wondering if I was the next fodder for the forums.

Now, I only comment on critique club shots, and those that just "move" me (positive and negative). I leave a lot less comments now. The funny thing is, I don't know of any emails I've gotten complaining of my comments, and I've never actually been "fodder," but seeing it done so much has made me gunshy.

Now, occasionally, there is a stoopid comment made. But, they are seriously few and far between. Most of the comments I have seen have been well intentioned, if a few are a bit crude or tactless. But, those are usually the result of personalities that lack such characteristics.

Message edited by author 2006-06-23 17:18:01.
 06/23/2006 06:07:14 PM · #40
A while ago, I wrote this about being here at DPC:

I will say everything in as considerate a manner as possible. I will also understand that no matter what I say or how I say it, it is likely to be offensive to at least one person. If someone is offended, I will realize that it is not because I did not try to be kind, and I will not take their feelings personally.

I've never been bashed for a comment, that I know of. But if I were, I would feel really upset, becase I intend to be helpful with my comments. I'd try not to let it affect how often I commented, but I can't say for sure that it wouldn't. I guess what I'm saying is - I want to encourage you all to, however hard it might be, try to put that aside as someone having a stupid day or whatever. Although I acknowledge that calling people out for specific comments is a hugely detrimental thing.
 06/23/2006 06:54:34 PM · #41
Originally posted by karmat:


your quote eloquently sums up what I think the #1 problem is. And it is something that only the individual user can fix within him/herself. No site policy can be implemented to fix it.


You modify the TOS - "Thou shalt not quote a comment made during a challenge on a challenge entry in the forums or face the wrath of having bubble gum affixed to your lens, sans cap, for 2 weeks for a first offense, 4 weeks for a second and castration of priveledges for a third."

Not having memorized the TOS, but there must be something in there about insulting, denigrating or calling out another member in public.
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