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06/21/2006 01:52:33 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
But ... does a three shot HDR meet the rules? |
Warning! "HDR" fails to yield results from my vast database of acronyms. The only reponse I get is WTF? ;-) |
High Dynamic Range in CS2 Art, nice to have, bad to use in a challenge unless you processed the shots all from one RAW file... |
ohhhh ohhhhh, looks like one of the top contenders might have oooppps. |
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06/21/2006 01:53:36 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Crayon, one of those "not strong examples" won the first framing challenge, and IS a classic example of framing. That's why Zoomdak did it. |
I know that. Didn't say it was a bad photo, but personally dont think it is a very strong example for "framing", that's all. On a side note - if a photo is worth a 10, but dont really fit the challenge THAT much, it becomes a 9, or maybe an 8, and it would still win the rest of the competition - fitting the challenge or not. |
LOL, I wish!!! Most people say they take half off for completely not meeting the challenge. macrothing gave me a freaking 3!! only thing he commented on was DNMC... ??? |
maybe I was being generous. I usually deduct 1 or 2 points off if the photo DNMC by accident, or when I detected the photog trying to think out of the box. But on the other hand, if I felt that it is blatantly trying to pass-off a challenge disregard of the challenge topic, I'd give it much lower :p But again, that is just me and my personal voting style. And personally, I think yours is within the challenge's spirit, albeit not a strong example, IMHO. Cheers.
Message edited by author 2006-06-21 01:55:37. |
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06/21/2006 01:54:09 AM · #28 |
Ok let's backtrack.
You ask if we see a frame.
I say no none of those images IMO show a natural frame.
You state nothing about a natural frame.
So I politely change my post and state that I shouldnb't have put that word in there but it is not in the description anyway.
You ask about completely surrounding the subject.
I never said anything about completely surrounding the subject and restated my opinion that none of those images IMO showed a frame.
Then you say I need to study more about it.
You think everyone is to strict on their opinions of framing.
Well I think we shouldn't all think the same
And then you tell me you want a more civil discussion about it. I didn't tell you to go back and study it did I?
Then you call out another member in the forum for giving you a 3 and taking the time to comment his opinion.
Edit to add: Your wife's image was a nice framed shot
Message edited by author 2006-06-21 01:56:18.
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06/21/2006 01:55:54 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
But ... does a three shot HDR meet the rules? |
Warning! "HDR" fails to yield results from my vast database of acronyms. The only reponse I get is WTF? ;-) |
High Dynamic Range in CS2 Art, nice to have, bad to use in a challenge unless you processed the shots all from one RAW file... |
Now I'm sitting here feeling all inadequate in front of my decrepid, old, outdated, obsolete, plain ol' PS CS with no HDR. |
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06/21/2006 01:57:01 AM · #30 |
| *Art pours a bucket of ice water on this thread* |
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06/21/2006 01:57:27 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Now I'm sitting here feeling all inadequate in front of my decrepid, old, outdated, obsolete, plain ol' PS CS with no HDR. |
Tell your wrinkly old self to check out Photomatix. If you can remember. After you put your teeth back in.
Message edited by author 2006-06-21 01:57:46. |
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06/21/2006 01:57:38 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by rex:
Ok let's backtrack.
You ask if we see a frame.
I say no none of those images IMO show a natural frame.
You state nothing about a natural frame.
So I politely change my post and state that I shouldnb't have put that word in there but it is not in the description anyway.
You ask about completely surrounding the subject.
I never said anything about completely surrounding the subject and restated my opinion that none of those images IMO showed a frame.
Then you say I need to study more about it.
You think everyone is to strict on their opinions of framing.
Well I think we shouldn't all think the same
And then you tell me you want a more civil discussion about it. I didn't tell you to go back and study it did I?
Then you call out another member in the forum for giving you a 3 and taking the time to comment his opinion.
Edit to add: Your wife's image was a nice framed shot
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Ok, sorta went like that, what's your point? Why you gettin all upset?
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06/21/2006 01:58:24 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
*Art pours a bucket of ice water on this thread* |
Thanks, getting all verklempt. :P
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06/21/2006 01:58:27 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
But ... does a three shot HDR meet the rules? |
Warning! "HDR" fails to yield results from my vast database of acronyms. The only reponse I get is WTF? ;-) |
High Dynamic Range in CS2 Art, nice to have, bad to use in a challenge unless you processed the shots all from one RAW file... |
Now I'm sitting here feeling all inadequate in front of my decrepid, old, outdated, obsolete, plain ol' PS CS with no HDR. |
HDR can do some wonderful work in expanding the dynamic ranges. Can easily over and under expose so the sky is not blown out and the shadows are not too dark. I've used in with about + & - 2 stops or sometimes more and it really helps. |
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06/21/2006 01:58:36 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Ok, sorta went like that, what's your point? Why you gettin all upset? |
I'm not you are the one who sounds upset. If I did get upset is was only because you assumed I haven't studied the subject.
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06/21/2006 02:00:01 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by wavelength:
macrothing gave me a freaking 3!! only thing he commented on was DNMC... ??? |
And this is what keeps me from voting and commenting a lot. The fact that people call other people out in the forums when they don;t agree with what is said in a comment. |
Amen. |
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06/21/2006 02:00:43 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
But ... does a three shot HDR meet the rules? |
Warning! "HDR" fails to yield results from my vast database of acronyms. The only reponse I get is WTF? ;-) |
High Dynamic Range in CS2 Art, nice to have, bad to use in a challenge unless you processed the shots all from one RAW file... |
ohhhh ohhhhh, looks like one of the top contenders might have oooppps. |
The rules state "Your entry must come from a single photograph" - and I'm pretty sure that rules out processing 3 images from one RAW file. Where is MK when you need her? |
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06/21/2006 02:01:00 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Ok, sorta went like that, what's your point? Why you gettin all upset? |
I'm not you are the one who sounds upset. If I did get upset is was only because you assumed I haven't studied the subject. |
Okay, I'm not upset. Can we all move back to framing now? Or HDR. I don't think I care anymore.
Anyone have any other references on framing from official type sources?
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06/21/2006 02:02:35 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by dr_timbo:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
But ... does a three shot HDR meet the rules? |
Warning! "HDR" fails to yield results from my vast database of acronyms. The only reponse I get is WTF? ;-) |
High Dynamic Range in CS2 Art, nice to have, bad to use in a challenge unless you processed the shots all from one RAW file... |
ohhhh ohhhhh, looks like one of the top contenders might have oooppps. |
The rules state "Your entry must come from a single photograph" - and I'm pretty sure that rules out processing 3 images from one RAW file. Where is MK when you need her? |
I think it's been ruled before that the RAW is the original shot, If you split out three beyound that, it's akin to making a pixel containing layer. Either way, basic editing... you're dead in the water there.
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06/21/2006 02:03:06 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by dr_timbo:
The rules state "Your entry must come from a single photograph" - and I'm pretty sure that rules out processing 3 images from one RAW file. Where is MK when you need her? |
I'm here! You can process a single RAW file differently and merge it but that description mentions using AEB which sounds like three separate exposures to me. I'm sure the SC will check it out during the validation. |
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06/21/2006 02:03:16 AM · #41 |
That's the thing about photography and art in general. Picaso's art does not appeal to me at all, I feel any 4 year old could have painted many of his million dollar pieces of art, while others marvel at his expertise. It is so difficult to specify and have everyone agree on what the challenge rules are, remember the 2 second challenge? That was very specific yet many of the better scoring photos did not use 2 seconds. How cut and dry is that? Most would probably feel framed means a very defined outline or surrounding of a main subject, others it means a feeling of a frame or border. These discussions really don't go anywhere.
Ya'll be friends ;) |
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06/21/2006 02:07:02 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
HDR can do some wonderful work in expanding the dynamic ranges. Can easily over and under expose so the sky is not blown out and the shadows are not too dark. I've used in with about + & - 2 stops or sometimes more and it really helps. |
Thanks EWO. Sounds like a possible reason to upgrade! |
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06/21/2006 02:07:11 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by wavelength:
macrothing gave me a freaking 3!! only thing he commented on was DNMC... ??? |
And this is what keeps me from voting and commenting a lot. The fact that people call other people out in the forums when they don;t agree with what is said in a comment. |
Amen. |
Sorry, didn't know that was such a big deal to people. I'll be more careful in the future.
I figure if you don't want people to know what you score something, you just don't say. It's sorta like not wanting people to know how you vote in politics, and then have a Democrat or Repulican stickers all over your car, and you're wearing the candidates head on a t-shirt.
If you stand by your comments, it shouldn't matter what anyone else says about them. If you were wrong when you commented, then you live a learn. What's the big deal?
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06/21/2006 02:18:17 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
HDR can do some wonderful work in expanding the dynamic ranges. Can easily over and under expose so the sky is not blown out and the shadows are not too dark. I've used in with about + & - 2 stops or sometimes more and it really helps. |
Thanks EWO. Sounds like a possible reason to upgrade! |
The CS2 version just makes it automated, you can still do a reasonable HDR just by using layers and masking the highlights - have a look at high dynamic range , gives a nice walk through, seems to work well for night shots |
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06/21/2006 02:47:12 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
If you stand by your comments, it shouldn't matter what anyone else says about them. If you were wrong when you commented, then you live a learn. What's the big deal? |
the big deal is that someone took the time to comment and tell you what they think and you are saying their opinion is... well, wrong? oh well, I gave you a 10 so I guess I'm right huh? :0P
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