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06/19/2006 11:00:18 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Leroy, do you consider everything that is on broadcast television to be in good taste? |
Most of it is horrible junk, taste or no taste. Sooo, I don't watch it. But, I defend thier right to broadcast crap. Computers and Televisions have one thing in common...a button that takes you to the next option if you find something tasteless, disturbing or just plain boring.
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06/20/2006 02:58:24 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by xianart:
for a very long time, art has dealt with 'unpleasant' subject matter.... |
"Unpleasant" is in the fire of the beholder.
Originally posted by xianart:
while a line should be drawn at the harming of innocent indiviuals, art is there to push boundaries... |
There's a line??
Originally posted by xianart:
we need art that makes us think... |
Think about fireproofing your village. ;-)
Originally posted by xianart:
now, art, i hope you got some great shots of the disposessed orphans, with many tears and pathetic reaching hands... |
I need to retract what I said, lest someone think ill of me, including me. In all sincerity, I could never harm a child, let alone orphans. Apparently in thinking about my offhand comments, I realized I crossed my own line - I HATE seeing children in real pain & sadness. :( (tantrums and crankiness, I can tolerate).
Now I'm off to find a village full of lawyers... |
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06/20/2006 06:48:24 AM · #28 |
or imagine how I would suffer if i took his loly before dinner :-)
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06/20/2006 07:33:54 AM · #29 |
One for Kudzu 
and a few for all y'all:
   
GRRR. 
hehheheh just kidding, most of those shots are totally unplanned or in the case of the second one, totally out of the blue that she would pose like that...
Actually, I much prefer kids smiling... Are we ok to post smiling kids?
      
As Charlie Chaplin once said... 'smile and the world smiles with you.' |
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06/20/2006 07:59:52 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by focuspoint:
Ok, I have a problem with some of the challenge photos. I will tell you this once and I will not comment about it again.
I will not give good points or any points to photos with children, or young kids with pain, sorrow or any other negativity.
I do NOT care what you think about it, art, composition.. whatever. Use your imagination and be creative without using sensitive subjects like kids.
I also have problem with those who thinks dead, torn apart animals makes good photos.
Maybe somewhere, but should not be here.
If you can't find a good subject, don't enter at all. Don't try too hard and make some of us sick. |
You are well within your rights to vote on how you feel just as we all are.
I personally don't like cats much but I don't vote them down just don't like cats but if I see an image that has religious connotations I get the feeling that someone is trying to preach to me which is something I don't like so I vote them down.
I won̢۪t mention the American flag that̢۪s another story.
That̢۪s the good thing about this place we all vote on what turns us on or off.
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06/20/2006 11:46:33 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
You are well within your rights to vote on how you feel just as we all are.
I personally don't like cats much but I don't vote them down just don't like cats but if I see an image that has religious connotations I get the feeling that someone is trying to preach to me which is something I don't like so I vote them down.
I won̢۪t mention the American flag that̢۪s another story.
That̢۪s the good thing about this place we all vote on what turns us on or off. |
Interesting. How you vote seems to be the least of your issues, keeg. ;-) |
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06/20/2006 11:53:41 AM · #32 |
taking a good picture definatly doesnt mean you are going to get a good score
this is becoming more true and more true
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06/20/2006 11:56:34 AM · #33 |
I don't like it when people use thinly veiled descriptions of photos in current challenges to further an agenda they have. It does affect voting and in my opinion is not in the spirit of the TOS of the site.
Just my 2 cents though. |
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06/20/2006 12:08:57 PM · #34 |
Kids disgust you is that it?
That's what I got from it.
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06/20/2006 12:13:28 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Ennil:
Kids disgust you is that it?
That's what I got from it. |
I don't think that's what he's saying. He is talking about "photos with children, or young kids with pain, sorrow or any other negativity."
Sometimes people have a visceral, emotional reaction to some of the photos seen on this site. I have - but we don't always know the intent or the story behind the image and it can easily be misinterpreted. |
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06/20/2006 12:18:06 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Ennil:
Kids disgust you is that it?
That's what I got from it. |
I don't think that's what he's saying. He is talking about "photos with children, or young kids with pain, sorrow or any other negativity."
Sometimes people have a visceral, emotional reaction to some of the photos seen on this site. I have - but we don't always know the intent or the story behind the image and it can easily be misinterpreted. |
I was kidding :P
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06/20/2006 12:24:39 PM · #37 |
I'll usually give a strong emotional shot a good score, as long as it doesn't come across as LAME. The way I see it, is if the photo does a good job of provoking strong hate or disgust from me that the artist has pretty much succeeded in what they were trying to do and should recieve a strong score for the efforts.
Ofcourse, there are quite a few lame attempts at provoking those responses. They rarely get strong votes from this voter.
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06/20/2006 01:31:50 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Ofcourse, there are quite a few lame attempts at provoking those responses. They rarely get strong votes from this voter. |
Usually those attempts are just exceedingly clichéd. Subject is inextricably tied to a photograph, and tends to reflect the photographer's ability as much as the technical aspects do. For overtly religious, clichéd, cheaply violent, or otherwise poorly executed subjects, I usually pass the photo by without voting. I do this for technically horrendous photos too. Might not be the best learing situation for the photographer, but more often than not, the photographer appears to have been lazy, so right back at them. :) |
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06/20/2006 01:50:21 PM · #39 |
I have another problem with children in pictures..
Pictures with children in them look adorable but if someone's using their own kids, the challenge becomes too personal and tainted with bias. I sometimes don't vote for pics with children because, cute kid but parent with not so amazing camera skills. For a parent any pic containing their kid is special and amazing. To not dig their pic means you don't dig the subject thus the kid. That just makes you cringe... |
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06/20/2006 02:30:42 PM · #40 |
Cringe away!!
Makes mental note 'must vote 10 on photos of children, dead animals, flowers, alcohol, cigarettes'
;-p
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06/20/2006 08:24:38 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Louis:
... For overtly religious, clichéd, cheaply violent, or otherwise poorly executed subjects, I usually pass the photo by without voting. I do this for technically horrendous photos too. Might not be the best learing situation for the photographer, ... |
Originally posted by lazy_urfa:
... I sometimes don't vote for pics with children ... |
While I may be sympathetic to your reasons I disagree with your method. To select certain pictures and not vote on them is not fair to all the other images in the challenge. Your opinion, along with that of all the other voters, on the entries you favor as well as the ones you don't is what's needed to make the results accurate. If your vote is not there for some of the images, then you have skewed the results. And it may help the image that you didn't care for to garner a higher finish than it deserved.
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06/20/2006 08:27:49 PM · #42 |
We're losing sight of the original problem here..
Voting down images because of poor execution or connection to the theme is fine, in my book. Voting down images *simply because they contain a certain subject matter*.. not so much.
But.. whatever, people will vote how they will.
I guess what I was originally angry at was the public statement of such. Which is entirely unneeded. Just vote how you will and shut up about it. :) |
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06/20/2006 08:28:50 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
If your vote is not there for some of the images, then you have skewed the results. |
I wonder then why it's not required to vote on 100% of the images, but only 20%? |
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06/20/2006 08:29:55 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Just vote how you will and shut up about it. :) |
:| <-- zipped lip |
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06/20/2006 08:58:31 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by coolhar:
If your vote is not there for some of the images, then you have skewed the results. |
I wonder then why it's not required to vote on 100% of the images, but only 20%? |
It's not required to vote on 100% because some people just can't do it. It can be very time-consuming if the challenge has a large number of entries, or if you have a slow connection to the internet. But even somewhat less than 100% voting helps determine the results accurately if you vote on them all as they are presented. 20% is enough so that you can't just throw high votes at a few of your favs. The random order in which the entries are presented is different for each voter, and seeks to get a similiar number of votes for each image. By passing over some entries, for whatever reason, a voter defeats part of the system, and to a certain extent, skews the results. The system works best when all of us are willing to voice our opinion, be it positive or negative, on every entry another user has seen fit to submit. If you can vote on 100%, that's great. If you can vote on enough to meet the 20% minimum, thanks for helping the community choose winners. If a voter just wants to vote on certain ones ....
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06/20/2006 09:59:54 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
If a voter just wants to vote on certain ones .... |
I think a person's votes are worthwhile. However he/she chooses to vote. |
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