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04/01/2003 11:41:35 PM · #1 |
This is beautifully written (of course) and very interesting reading:
Letter to America
But of course, since she's Canadian, no Americans will take it seriously :P. |
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04/01/2003 11:56:28 PM · #2 |
| Who is Margaret Atwood, and why should we care what she thinks? At the end it says "studied at Radcliff and Harvard in the 60's"... That tells you a lot right there. :) Probably still having "flash backs" from the 60's. |
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04/02/2003 12:00:23 AM · #3 |
Dear Canada,
Please silence Margaret Atwood. |
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04/02/2003 12:08:23 AM · #4 |
| Why? Because she speaks the truth? |
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04/02/2003 12:10:59 AM · #5 |
Margaret Atwood is a very talented canadian author. She's smart and has interesting opinions on many subjects. Instead of blindly shrugging off any opposite viewpoints to what goes on in the USA, why dont you read it and take in the contents of this letter. She's speaking what she thinks is the truth. Nowhere in that letter does she say anything rude or bitter about the USA. Why should we silence Margaret Atwood? Why was Michael Moore silenced at the academy awards for calling the president "a fictitious president fighting a fictitious war."? Freedom of speech only applies when expressing an opinion that supports what the president feels? The freedom of canada, france, germany, etc to make their OWN decisions is only applied when the decisions support Mr. Bush?
There is nothing wrong with what Margaret Atwood said in this letter, and we should not silence her. |
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04/02/2003 12:11:39 AM · #6 |
| that last paragraph is telling because canadians have no one to call on, nothing in their past that even comes close to that of the US. nothing now either. i like canadians, just not the ones that make senile generalizations. |
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04/02/2003 12:12:11 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Why? Because she speaks the truth? |
Because listening to her would force alot of americans to get their head out of the sand and take a look at what really is going on. |
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04/02/2003 12:12:16 AM · #8 |
I think she (Atwood) makes some important points, especially concerning the economy, but to me she is speaking of a utopia that never really existed, and seems critical of an administration and policy that she (nor I) know 100% about. I had hoped for a diplomatic solution to the situation in Iraq, but it didn't happen. History will no doubt tell us if we are wrong.
America will be faced with consequences during and after this war, but I think we are there for the right reasons (primarily liberation of the Iraqi people), and I hope we hold true to these reasons.
As for American/global security concerns, I for one am more afraid of what could happen with North Korea than Saddam's as-yet-to-be-discovered wmd's.
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04/02/2003 12:12:22 AM · #9 |
| the silence thing was a joke people |
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04/02/2003 12:14:51 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Dear Canada,
Please silence Margaret Atwood. |
I think your attitude stinks. Why be so rude? What's the point? All you're going to do is upset a lot of non-USA dpc'ers and probably even some american dpc'ers. |
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04/02/2003 12:16:32 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by achiral:
the silence thing was a joke people |
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04/02/2003 12:17:02 AM · #12 |
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04/02/2003 12:17:48 AM · #13 |
| why be so naive? it pisses off some non-canadian dpcers and probably some canadian dpcers |
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04/02/2003 12:18:24 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by achiral:
that last paragraph is telling because canadians have no one to call on, nothing in their past that even comes close to that of the US. nothing now either. i like canadians, just not the ones that make senile generalizations. |
she's pointing out that the best things about america are being degraded. i totally agree that we're different from the US...like, that we've had no slavery, no civil wars, no nuclear weapons, no degradation of our inner cities, no massive crime or murder rates, no destructive foreign policies, etc.
the bush administration is making huge, damaging steps backwards. i guess the good thing is that we can look forward to another decade of promiscuous sex, drug abuse, great music and liberal thinking when the backlash hits...
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04/02/2003 12:19:25 AM · #15 |
how nice of you to redicule me... it's that attitude that makes me REALLY hate arguing with people like you
Message edited by author 2003-04-02 00:19:58. |
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04/02/2003 12:20:58 AM · #16 |
| I dont understand what is so upsetting about that article. She said what she thinks is the truth, and she didn't badmouth the USA... so what's the problem? |
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04/02/2003 12:23:19 AM · #17 |
| it's just the fact that it was posted in order to prove some sort of point, as if hearing from margaret atwood really makes a difference |
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04/02/2003 12:24:22 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Originally posted by achiral:
that last paragraph is telling because canadians have no one to call on, nothing in their past that even comes close to that of the US. nothing now either. i like canadians, just not the ones that make senile generalizations. |
she's pointing out that the best things about america are being degraded. i totally agree that we're different from the US...like, that we've had no slavery, no civil wars, no nuclear weapons, no degradation of our inner cities, no massive crime or murder rates, no destructive foreign policies, etc.
the bush administration is making huge, damaging steps backwards. i guess the good thing is that we can look forward to another decade of promiscuous sex, drug abuse, great music and liberal thinking when the backlash hits... |
canada has no foreign policy |
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04/02/2003 12:25:27 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by achiral:
it's just the fact that it was posted in order to prove some sort of point, as if hearing from margaret atwood really makes a difference |
hmmm...yes...literature written by scholars, referenced to prove a point. how novel an idea. |
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04/02/2003 12:27:25 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Originally posted by achiral:
that last paragraph is telling because canadians have no one to call on, nothing in their past that even comes close to that of the US. nothing now either. i like canadians, just not the ones that make senile generalizations. |
she's pointing out that the best things about america are being degraded. i totally agree that we're different from the US...like, that we've had no slavery, no civil wars, no nuclear weapons, no degradation of our inner cities, no massive crime or murder rates, no destructive foreign policies, etc.
the bush administration is making huge, damaging steps backwards. i guess the good thing is that we can look forward to another decade of promiscuous sex, drug abuse, great music and liberal thinking when the backlash hits... |
canada has no foreign policy |
what the hell do you know about canada? you've dismissed the entire country in little more than a phrase on several occasions. we do indeed have a foreign policy. our latest is to not blindly subscribe to US imperialism.
Message edited by author 2003-04-02 00:32:55. |
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04/02/2003 12:33:16 AM · #21 |
What a clever woman and oh how true unfortunately nothing will make some people here pull thier head out of the sand.
But one day soon they will see the truth. |
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04/02/2003 12:34:43 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Hoogie:
What a clever woman and oh how true unfortunately nothing will make some people here pull thier head out of the sand.
But one day soon they will see the truth. |
oh we have yet another prophet in the antiwar ranks |
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04/02/2003 12:36:51 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by achiral:
it's just the fact that it was posted in order to prove some sort of point, as if hearing from margaret atwood really makes a difference |
Atwood wrote "The Handmaid's Tale", among many other books. I studied it in my English class in high school, and again in a course at uni where we looked at the way novels and short stories are made into films. Her vision of a post-holocaust future in that novel is terrifying, as black as anything written by Orwell. This is why I think her viewpoint is interesting.
It's not to "prove a point". I'm not interested in proving points, I'm interested in exploring and debating them. |
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04/02/2003 12:42:12 AM · #24 |
| than how come you only present articles that illustrate YOUR opinion. i mean cmon it's ludicrous to claim you want a balanced discussion |
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04/02/2003 12:42:37 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by lisae:
Originally posted by achiral:
it's just the fact that it was posted in order to prove some sort of point, as if hearing from margaret atwood really makes a difference |
Atwood wrote "The Handmaid's Tale", among many other books. I studied it in my English class in high school, and again in a course at uni where we looked at the way novels and short stories are made into films. Her vision of a post-holocaust future in that novel is terrifying, as black as anything written by Orwell. This is why I think her viewpoint is interesting.
It's not to "prove a point". I'm not interested in proving points, I'm interested in exploring and debating them. |
If you get a chance, read The Edible Woman...it's fantastic.
We'll see a very dramatic shift in attitudes when access to cheap oil starts running out in 40 or 50 years. The same conservative populous driving their Dodge Ram V10s to work every morning (in Canada as well) will feel utterly betrayed by their countries by the notion of true-cost energy. In the meantime, we've got fuel to burn, we've got roads to drive.
Time's running out...
Message edited by author 2003-04-02 00:44:45. |
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