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 06/12/2006 06:47:53 PM · #26
i have a feeling his face and head is gonna be pretty jacked up. Did you see that blood stained "crime" scene? Awww, nasty stuff. This may spell serious trouble for him and the Steelers...

For Colts fans though.....Kidding, kidding..
 06/12/2006 06:49:50 PM · #27
yeah this was rough...we had the radio on all day at work after we heard.
 06/12/2006 06:51:37 PM · #28
Anyone who rides a motorcycle without a helmet is an idiot.

They don't call motorcycles "Organ Donor Machines" for nothing.

Normally, I would say you have every right to not wear a helmet, but too often, the resulting head trauma results in lots of very expensive medical care, that either gets paid for by the public (no wonder the hospital charges $10 for an aspirin) or the insurance companies that simply charge everyone else higher premiums. I'm tired of paying for other peoples' poor decisions.

If you want to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, fine, but you should have a medical directive ordering not treatment of head trauma in place and your insurance company should not pay for head trauma treatment either in the event you crash.

Message edited by author 2006-06-12 18:52:38.
 06/12/2006 06:53:03 PM · #29
but wearing helmets don't always prevent head trauma. (Granted, they help a lot, but it is not a guarantee)
 06/12/2006 06:54:30 PM · #30
Originally posted by Morry32:
Originally posted by strangeghost:
It makes me sad (and a little mad) that anyone rides without a helmet, but for someone in his position to do so is simply insane. I like Roethlisberger but he really screwed up this time.


What exactly is his position? a fun lovin' 24 year old, who enjoys riding his bike within the law of the commonwealth he lives?

Now that i have pissed a number of people let me say that i don't think he owes anyone an explaination but himself. He has spoke about his hobby of riding the bike and he obviously knew the risk he was taking. I myself will never ever get on one of those things just like i won't touch a gun either but I really object to telling other people what they should or shouldn't do.


Most pro athletes have clauses in their contracts that forbid them from doing certain things that put them in danger. Not too long ago there was a basketball player who initially claimed to have injured himself doing something mundane around the house when it was actually during a pickup basketball game - strictly forbidden by his contract. So Ben may indeed owe explanations to various people, and they would be his bosses and teammates.
 06/12/2006 06:59:05 PM · #31
Originally posted by karmat:
but wearing helmets don't always prevent head trauma. (Granted, they help a lot, but it is not a guarantee)


No, it's not a guarantee, but I've seen my friends, right next to my side riding down a highway pull some stupid stunts, crash at 100+ miles per hour, get really banged up, and live...and the helmets NEVER look good at 100 mph. I have been with at least 2 people that had they not had helmets on, they would be dead, no doubt whatseover about that, and they are both still living and walking fine now.

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Anyway, on a side note...even if Big Ben isn't brain damaged now, with a broken jaw and everything, he's going to lose weight and strength...this isn't good for our Steelers!
 06/12/2006 07:01:08 PM · #32
deapee -- I wasn't arguing for the use/non use of helmets. Frankly, I think it is crazy not to wear one. I was referring to spazmo's statement that insurance companies shouldn't pay for head trauma.

Upon reading it now, I see the words "without a helmet" which I must have missed before.
 06/12/2006 07:01:18 PM · #33
This thread could easily to into a helmet law rant, My opinion is that you should wear one-- Im not a motorcycler, but is the experience that much better w/out a helmet?
Im sure the argument has been made that you are required to wear a seat belt, why not a helmet, and that makes sense to me--..
Just seems stupid to me not to wear one..
Like you have the attitude if Im gonna wreck, Im gonna die anyway, what goods a helmet..


06/12/2006 07:02:19 PM · #34
Originally posted by karmat:
deapee -- I wasn't arguing for the use/non use of helmets. Frankly, I think it is crazy not to wear one. I was referring to spazmo's statement that insurance companies shouldn't pay for head trauma.

Upon reading it now, I see the words "without a helmet" which I must have missed before.


and I have a friend that took his bike out for a spin, take it over a guardrail and have brain trauma (plus a whole host of other stuff). Without the helmet, though, bye bye . . .
 06/12/2006 07:17:58 PM · #35
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by Morry32:
Originally posted by strangeghost:
It makes me sad (and a little mad) that anyone rides without a helmet, but for someone in his position to do so is simply insane. I like Roethlisberger but he really screwed up this time.


What exactly is his position? a fun lovin' 24 year old, who enjoys riding his bike within the law of the commonwealth he lives?

Now that i have pissed a number of people let me say that i don't think he owes anyone an explaination but himself. He has spoke about his hobby of riding the bike and he obviously knew the risk he was taking. I myself will never ever get on one of those things just like i won't touch a gun either but I really object to telling other people what they should or shouldn't do.


Most pro athletes have clauses in their contracts that forbid them from doing certain things that put them in danger. Not too long ago there was a basketball player who initially claimed to have injured himself doing something mundane around the house when it was actually during a pickup basketball game - strictly forbidden by his contract. So Ben may indeed owe explanations to various people, and they would be his bosses and teammates.


i got into a car wreck the other day, last thing on my mind was letting down my employees or my employer. I really hate the arguement that sports stars owe people anything, let alone their teammates. I am a huge sports fan and I also played sports growing up and i know all the dynmics and the contracts but since becoming an adult many years ago i have also realized that living for other people is not exactly rewarding.

with all that said i really hope he recovers, i enjoy watching him play and i think he choices wouldn't be mine but i also think he knew the risk and he decided to live his life his way. It's funny how we can celebrate a man who plays a quick paced viloent game that has a very short career span yet when he lives his personal life in the fast lane we are all critics.

reminds me of an old Tracy Chapman song about giving a boy a gun

Edit- I completely agree with Buzzrock- if you have to wear a seatbelt why not a helmet, but i have a friend who refuses to wear a seatbelt to even though he has gotten three seatbelt tickets ($44 each) just in 2006. People will make their own choices honestly.

Message edited by author 2006-06-12 19:20:31.
 06/12/2006 07:53:22 PM · #36
It is different for someone like him. He's a highly paid professional athlete and entertainer. Not only does his contract rely on his body being healthy, but a lot of people depend - directly or indirectly - on him being healthy to do his job. Taking senseless risks like riding without a helmet is inexcusable. The Steelers' franchise could lose millions if he can't play. Note that I'm not talking about the law - I agree that there are limits to what we should try to legislate.

A highly paid pro athlete riding without a helmet in his spare time makes as much sense as a covergirl taking up boxing as a hobby.

Originally posted by Morry32:

What exactly is his position? a fun lovin' 24 year old, who enjoys riding his bike within the law of the commonwealth he lives?
06/12/2006 08:07:32 PM · #37
Originally posted by karmat:
but wearing helmets don't always prevent head trauma. (Granted, they help a lot, but it is not a guarantee)


True, but a serious crash without a helmet is a virtual guarantee of significant head trauma.
 06/12/2006 08:13:21 PM · #38
Originally posted by buzzrock:
{snip} Im not a motorcycler, but is the experience that much better w/out a helmet? {snip}


I ride a 992cc Ducati ST3 sport touring bike. It's the law where I live -- wear a helmet.

To answer your question, no it's not better without a helmet. After a day's ride my face shield is coverd in bug splats. When a bug hits your exposed cheek at 60 mph (or more), it hurts big time. I've been hit by rocks tossed up by oncoming cars. Without a helmet, they would have torn a hole through my cheek. I wear armored (ankles, knees, hips, elbows, sholders, back, fingers & knuckles) clothing for the same reason.

In deference to the no helmet, shorts and T-shirt riders, they will be cooler (i.e. less warm) because the gear is warm. There is a bad-boy (or girl) mystic about riding (loud) powerful motorcycles. Part of the mystic is cool factor. Leathers and a helmet don't necessarily fulfill the mystic. But some who attempt "cool" end up cold.

Riding a motorcycle is GREAT fun. Meeting and talking with other bikers is a fantastic social leveler. You can be an awkward, socially bankrupt geek, and other bikers will treat you with friendship and acceptance. Same if you're a captain of industry. And everything in between. I've seen the hottest sport biker get along famously with the gnarliest Harley rider. Both enjoy the thrill and both worry a little about the "song of the sausage creature."

Just my opinion, the only people who should ride without helmet and armor are people with NOTHING to lose. Ben Roethlisberger clearly didn't fall into this catagory. I feel sorry about his accident and wish him a speedy and full recovery.

Sorry to run on. Remember, just my opinion. I am sure there are other equally valid ones.

Regardless of the gear ... be safe out there.
 06/12/2006 08:24:51 PM · #39
Big Ben = Big Time QuarterBack

Riding without a helmet = Big Time DUMB
 06/12/2006 08:39:57 PM · #40
Originally posted by Morry32:
i got into a car wreck the other day, last thing on my mind was letting down my employees or my employer. I really hate the arguement that sports stars owe people anything, let alone their teammates. I am a huge sports fan and I also played sports growing up and i know all the dynmics and the contracts but since becoming an adult many years ago i have also realized that living for other people is not exactly rewarding.


You probably also don't have a contract with your employer to not ride motorcycles or go mountain climbing or skydiving, etc. When you put it in writing like pro athletes do, because their physical condition is paramount to the job they perform for a whole heck of a lot more money annually than any of us are likely to see cumulatively over our lifetimes, and when your bosses and personal heroes make a big point of telling you you're being truly dumb about it - well then, put simply, you had better have a damn good explanation for your flagrant breach of contract. As soon as you regain the ability to speak, that is. :/
 06/12/2006 09:04:37 PM · #41
Originally posted by kopa21:
Big Ben = Big Time QuarterBack


Ok lets not get crazy here.
06/12/2006 10:27:35 PM · #42
I spent 11 years in the powersports industry in Pittsburgh. Met several Steelers over the years as customers. They may be many things, but they are still testerone filled young men. Sorry, Rich young men.

During the season it is almost guaranteed they are not allowed to engage in 'riskly behavior' - they;d buy a bike but not pick it up till afer the season was over - they weren't allowd to ride.

Craziest SOB was a player, forget his name, he was a nice guy. had a heavily modified Mercedes and an equally heavily modified jeep cherokee. I mean lowered, chrome wheels, etc - (this was back in 97 or so). He had bought a GSXR1100 - the fastest bike at the time. He wanted faster. We did faster. Lots faster. He went for test ride - i heard 3 red line shifts as he blew past the store - figuring redline in 1st is 80mph...3rd was 110-120 probably (bike was capable of 180ish STOCK). Crazy fast on a road with driveways! He came back and asked about how we could make it faster...this bike was capable of in excess of 180mph, 0-60 was 2.5 seconds...can you say adreneline junkie?

young kids and money. they feel like they'll live forever as it is. Give them $1,000,000 or 10 and feed the ego and it's not hard to imagine the results.

However, I'd bet at least a lens that Big Ben rides with a helmet after this!
 06/12/2006 11:00:42 PM · #43
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

However, I'd bet at least a lens that Big Ben rides with a helmet after this!


What kind of lens are you willing to bet? You say that he will ride, and ride with a helmet, right? I'd put a lens up against that...he either won't ride, or he'll continue to right without a helmet.
 06/16/2006 11:17:04 AM · #44
Ben's statement

Hmm... who wins the lens? He says 'if he rides he'll ride with a helmet'.....but we'll see....
 06/16/2006 12:09:44 PM · #45
As said already by some, I may have sympathy for him since I don't liek to see anyone get hurt in an accident of the mototcycle type. But he is an absolute bafoon for not wearing a helmet and as such he got what was coming to him for his stupidity.

Besides, I don't follow football at all so don't really care one way or another.
 06/16/2006 12:49:43 PM · #46
My synpathy level dropped when it came out he does not have a motorcycle license, or even a permit. To legally ride without a helmet in PA you need a license for bikes and 2 years riding experience.

Youth and money - a dangerous combination.
 06/16/2006 01:05:20 PM · #47
Anybody want a replica of the helmet he was wearing?

Buy it here!!!!
 06/16/2006 01:10:55 PM · #48
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
My synpathy level dropped when it came out he does not have a motorcycle license, or even a permit. To legally ride without a helmet in PA you need a license for bikes and 2 years riding experience.

Youth and money - a dangerous combination.


He was actually given the bike in exchange for appearances... So I have read.
 06/16/2006 06:47:01 PM · #49
What a moronic statement...just another dumb jock in my opinion. Sorry if that offends anyone, but his stupidity overshadows any statemet he could make.
 06/16/2006 07:01:41 PM · #50
Although he's not perfect on the field or off, Ben has a certain something about him, - charisma, persona, leadership, presence? What ever you call it I find it hard to think of him as just another dumb jock. And I'm not from Pittsbugh or a Steelers fan.
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