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06/08/2006 08:02:49 AM · #26 |
| DO any of you guys ever start commenting, get half way through, and then start feeling like you are being repetitive? After so many comments, I feel like i'm saying the same thing and it makes me stop commenting on photos. |
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06/08/2006 08:12:24 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by albc28:
DO any of you guys ever start commenting, get half way through, and then start feeling like you are being repetitive? After so many comments, I feel like i'm saying the same thing and it makes me stop commenting on photos. |
Yeah I feel like that sometimes, but think about it, the person who's photo you are commenting on probably will never read your comments to other people, so it doesn't really matter if you get a bit repetitive.
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06/08/2006 08:12:36 AM · #28 |
i score everything, and then go back and work up from hte lowest scores with comments. that way i can give truly constructive criticism. and if they don't like it, well....
that said - i try to only give constructive crits - finding positive points as well as negative, and being encouraging.
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06/08/2006 08:15:25 AM · #29 |
[quote] fear that you are SO going to get condemned for your selective blur and out-of-focus treatment. i personally adore this style - i've tried it myself with not remotely the level of success you did here. i hope i'm wrong and people who are voting warm to the atmospheric and stylisctic approach you've taken. the only thing not getting this a ten is something i can't quite place about the composition; perhaps it's the amount of wall on the right? might be talking out of my arse, but i wonder if a wide-angled landscape shot might make it fit a bit more comfy? or even show less of the room altogether (i put my hand over the right third, and it seems a bit more balanced). anyway, splendid job anyway.[/quote]
i just got this comment on an entry this morning. now this is constructive criticism
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06/08/2006 08:36:14 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
So as of today I am going to speak my mind on your challenge photo. Some may think I̢۪m being harsh, so may think I̢۪m wrong, and others may think I̢۪m right. But when it̢۪s all said and done the comment I leave will be what I feel was good about your photo and what I feel was bad about your photo. I may also input some suggestions. All comments will be for the benefit of learning not only for you but for me as well.
-SDW |
Head my way, I won't flame you for a good, honest critique :) Sometimes when I enter a good shot I feel I'm missing out 'cause there's so much "nice shot" and not enough "thats crap because..."
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06/08/2006 08:58:45 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Ok I am tired of not commenting in fear of retaliation. I think the photographers and this site deserves better than that. ...
All comments will be for the benefit of learning not only for you but for me as well.
I believe that part of becoming a better photographer is evaluating someone else̢۪s work. ... |
Your thinking is absolutely correct.
Want to know the secret to good commenting? It is simple.
Start critiques by identifying what is correct and what is right about a picture. Every picture has something positive you can say about it. Identifying positives in an image is as important in the teaching and learning process as identifying what needs improvement and making suggestions. Start this way and you will rarely, if ever, get negative feedback.
Oh, and should you encounter an occasional picture where you can't seem to find anything good to say, then skip it and move on to the next.
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06/08/2006 11:37:13 AM · #32 |
| yeah, I start off with some compliment to the photo, or goodwill opening statement, then go into, what might help this photo is yada yada yada, and then wrap it up with, another compliment goodwill closing of what they did right, maybe an overall, I like this photo, nice work... I haven't gotten any bad PMs as of yet, so it must be working |
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06/08/2006 11:47:11 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
So as of today I am going to speak my mind on your challenge photo. Some may think I̢۪m being harsh, so may think I̢۪m wrong, and others may think I̢۪m right. But when it̢۪s all said and done the comment I leave will be what I feel was good about your photo and what I feel was bad about your photo. I may also input some suggestions. All comments will be for the benefit of learning not only for you but for me as well.
-SDW |
I look forward to your comment and please keep commenting. We need more commenters, not less. |
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06/08/2006 02:22:11 PM · #34 |
Here is my photo scoring schema for the Empty Room challenge. I will be applying it tomorrow and over the weekend and wondered if folk here thought it would be useful.
Basically, I will vote using a pro forma, as outlined below. The pro forma will change according to the challenge and the editing rules but is more or less what I think it will be.
Challenge: (blah)
Challenge Description: (blah)
A Score re meeting the challenge
{-1} Did not meet challenge
{ 0} Vaguely meets the challenge
{+1} Clearly meets the challenge
{+2} Epitomises the idea behind the challenge
B Composition & Aesthetics
{ 0} No discernible compositional form or merit
{+1} Snap-shot like composition
{+2} Well composed, aesthetically pleasing
{+3} An exceptional composition/exceptional aesthetics
C Technical Considerations
{-1} Seriously technically flawed
{ 0} Technically flawed
{+1} Technically OK
{+2} Technically well executed
{+3} Evidence of technical mastery/wizardry
D WOW Factor
{ 0} Not special/ordinary
{+1} Has some degree of impact
{+2} Obvious impact
{+3} Slaps you in face
There is a maximum of 11 in this scheme (I am a Marshall amp/Spinal Tap fan :-) which will be rounded down to 11. It is also possible to get -2, rounded up to 0.
Here is an example (based on an image but anonymised):
Challenge: Empty Room
Challenge Description: Take one thing and your camera into an empty room and photograph it. (Advanced Editing)
A Score re meeting the challenge
**{-1} Did not meet challenge
{ 0} Vaguely meets the challenge
{+1} Clearly meets the challenge
{+2} Epitomises the idea behind the challenge
There is no sense of an empty room in the composition
B Composition & Aesthetcis
{ 0} No discernible compositional form or merit
{+1} Snap-shot like composition
**{+2} Well composed, aesthetically pleasing
{+3} An exceptional composition/exceptional aesthtics
There is a pleasing sense of symmetry about the overall composition
C Technical Considerations
{-1} Seriously technically flawed
{ 0} Technically flawed
**{+1} Technically OK
{+2} Technically well executed
{+3} Evidence of technical mastery/wizardry
Shadows are too dark, highlights blown and the overall colour balance is too soft.
D WOW Factor
{ 0} Not special/ordinary
{+1} Has some degree of impact
**{+2} Obvious impact
{+3} Slaps you in face
The image makes you stop and look but does not hold the attention, which is a shame.
Total score: 4
Would folk appreciate something like this?
Carl
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06/08/2006 02:50:54 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by obsidian:
Would folk appreciate something like this?
Carl |
I would love it, though with a slightly higher score of course. ;)
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06/08/2006 02:52:32 PM · #36 |
I think a score of 4 would be quite good if you were using a scale of -2 through 11, but our voting scale is 1 through 10.
edit: oops, wasn't done my thought.
Message edited by author 2006-06-08 14:53:28. |
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06/09/2006 05:05:14 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by kdsprog:
I think a score of 4 would be quite good if you were using a scale of -2 through 11, but our voting scale is 1 through 10.
edit: oops, wasn't done my thought. |
Chuckle - I hope that by flattening the upper and lower limits that I get a more rounded scoring style. For me, things like not meeting the challenge are a major "downer" and should be marked accordingly. I guess the other thing I did not mention is that for Basic Editing the technical scores will be more neutral on the basis that there is not a lot you can do post processing-wise.
As it turns out 4 would have been the score I gave this photo without the scoring pro forma - so I am hopeful...
Carl
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06/09/2006 08:47:03 AM · #38 |
| I've seen your voting statistics Carl, and you're a very generous voter compared to most. I just think it would be a bad idea to show someone with a bad picture that you would have given them a negative number and rounded up to zero if possible. If this is the case and you give someone a one I just think the best way to address it is a quick note to how to improve rather than a DNMC type of comment. (Not saying you do that). This seems to be the biggest anger factor out there and I just think you'd be putting yourself wide open for negative PM's and whatnot. Just my opinion. |
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06/09/2006 10:26:21 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by kdsprog:
I've seen your voting statistics Carl, and you're a very generous voter compared to most. I just think it would be a bad idea to show someone with a bad picture that you would have given them a negative number and rounded up to zero if possible. If this is the case and you give someone a one I just think the best way to address it is a quick note to how to improve rather than a DNMC type of comment. (Not saying you do that). This seems to be the biggest anger factor out there and I just think you'd be putting yourself wide open for negative PM's and whatnot. Just my opinion. |
What sound advice! Thank you and I will seek an amendment to the pro forma to reflect this, probably by removing negative scores and compressing the others.
Appreciate the feedback.
Carl
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