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06/06/2006 07:07:38 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by NightShy:
Originally posted by scalvert:
My biggest complaint with the XT was the small grip. If that feels comfortable to you, then the XT may be plenty of camera, and a HUGE upgrade from the 300D.
If you have a specific need (or want) for features specific to the 30D (more speed, ISO3200, large LCD, spot meter, etc.), then I doubt you'd ever regret going with the bigger, badder camera- ESPECIALLY with the Tamron lens.
The Sony camera may turn out to be great, but it's relatively unproven and the lens/accessory selection is much more limited. The Sony R1 (while very good) didn't quite live up to the hype IMO. |
I have some pretty darn small hands, so the XT might be a better fit. But, the evil guy at the camera store let me play with the 30d and, wow, that screen is huge. I also love the wheel. But let's be honest, I'm not amazing and I hardly know how to use a camera so maybe the XT would be better even if that's not what I REALLY want.
That leads back to the Sony. If that ends up proving itself to be what it's cracked up to be, I'd be kicking myself that I got a different camera for a more expensive price.
Hmmm, anyone else have advice? |
My advice: don't forget nikon? :p
And don't count on sony.. it just isn't out yet, and you're deciding now |
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06/06/2006 07:16:39 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by k4rp:
My advice: don't forget nikon? :p
And don't count on sony.. it just isn't out yet, and you're deciding now |
I dunno if I could stoop to the level of a nikon ;P I might have to go play with some before I make my judgement.
I'm deciding now, but it doesn't mean I'm buying now. I have a 20d I can borrow for shoots and such. It might end up being worth the wait.
Oh yes, I have another question:
I am also trying to figure out what kind of laptop will give me the best bang for my buck. If anyone knows the best cheapest laptop for the purpose of still editing, that would also help me out a lot. All I want is something that will be quick (ish) and won't crash.
THANKS AGAIN!!
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06/06/2006 07:19:36 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by NightShy:
...Oh yes, I have another question:
I am also trying to figure out what kind of laptop will give me the best bang for my buck. If anyone knows the best cheapest laptop for the purpose of still editing, that would also help me out a lot. All I want is something that will be quick (ish) and won't crash.
THANKS AGAIN!! |
13" MacBook...and *Gasp* it can do Windows too... |
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06/06/2006 07:27:21 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
13" MacBook...and *Gasp* it can do Windows too... |
Exactly what I was going to suggest. |
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06/06/2006 08:42:50 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by AlphaTrooper:
Originally posted by doctornick:
13" MacBook...and *Gasp* it can do Windows too... |
Exactly what I was going to suggest. |
That black one is pretty sexy :)
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06/06/2006 09:10:30 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by NightShy:
That black one is pretty sexy :) |
The only difference between the black model and the next one down is color and a bigger hard drive. For $200 I'll just turn off the lights and pretend it's black, thankyouverymuch. :-/
P.S.- I'm just looking for an excuse to trade up my iBook to a MacBook. |
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06/06/2006 09:22:58 PM · #32 |
| Save more and get the 17" .. I did .. it was well worth the wait!!! I will never go back to windows again!! :) |
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06/06/2006 11:06:17 PM · #33 |
I have chosen to be going either the 20D or 30D route when I am ready to upgrade 8-)
good luck kaaaatttie |
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06/06/2006 11:16:50 PM · #34 |
you know I waited and waited..then exploded, blew a gasket and bought big time..the 30D and the 17-40f4L
now if I had to give up either I think I would rather go to the XT and keep the lens..the XT was a problem for me because it felt too small, but since you said this isn't an issue for you...
I have the tamron as well..great lens, but for now it will be sitting in my camera bag for a bit..the 17-40 refuses to come off...maybe it just likes the 30D. |
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06/06/2006 11:34:55 PM · #35 |
| I am so loving my 20d!!! Didn't even consider the XT because of it's feel .. didn't like it at all. The 30d was a bit pricey considering I was also saving for the new Mac. Now I feel like I have the perfect combo!! |
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06/07/2006 12:47:31 AM · #36 |
Thank you everyone for your input. It's helped me a ton. I hope I've left comments for all of you. Just PM me if I haven't and I'll get right on it.
Anyone else have a say?
I think I've narrowed it down to the 30d and the Sony.
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06/07/2006 06:52:15 AM · #37 |
That mac book looks wicked.
I might actually go with something like that myself next... hard to say... Must get a graphire digitizer on the side though... very nice for photo editing.. I currently run a tablet...
Weird that it only has wireless g. I wonder if it's back compatible to wireless b networks. Locally, all the hotspots run wireless b.
Don't forget that at this point, the Nikon is just a Sony without the anti-shake, so you have to pay two grand for a VR II lens.
Yikes. ;)
As far as the 30D vs Sony is concerned, the biggest difference is in the type of sensor, followed by the 5FPS.
The 30D sensor is very nice, and is excellent for low noise in long exposures. It starts to make a difference at ISO 800. At this point, the Sony sensor will be relying more on Noise reduction algorithms which will cost you detail. The Canon sensor will still have less noise, which will allow cleaner images. This is a major benefit for tripod shooters too.
Therefore, if you plan on using ISO 800 much, this is worth consideration.
5FPS is something only you can decide. My pro friend told me that high frame rates are really handy for those 'kiss' shots at weddings, and others like them for sports...
Sony will pull ahead if you don't like dragging a tripod around with you... Wedding shooters will probably like it, as will anyone else who regularly shoots non-light controlled interior environments (like bobster who shoots concerts) without a tripod.
Overall resolution will likely be almost indistinguishable, and both cameras will have similar results when their pictures are interpolated and blown up to similar resolutions (say 300dpi at 11x14).
That high dynamic range trick looks really neat. It appears to use a selective ISO based on areas of the sensor or something. I don't know much about how it works yet, but it looks like it could be a REALLY powerful thing for people who shoot outdoors, especially without flash.
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06/07/2006 08:10:58 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
I wonder if it's back compatible to wireless b networks. |
Of course it is. |
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06/07/2006 08:30:56 AM · #39 |
If I would sell all my gear and wanted to spend $1700 on a new kit this would be the one...
Mamyia
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06/07/2006 08:39:59 AM · #40 |
Be careful going the laptop route. I got a hot Dell two years ago for college, and while it handles PS pretty well, it's just slow enough that I'm itching for more performance now, and thinking of getting a desktop to go with it.
A laptop will always be a trade-off between power and portability. Just consider which features are most important to you - battery life, size, weight, speed, raw power...then decide.
Of course I know nothing about (evil) Apple systems, so maybe they aren't as limited in this respect.
My $.02, for what it's worth...
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06/07/2006 08:57:34 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
A laptop will always be a trade-off between power and portability. |
Sez you... a 13" MacBook is faster than a Dell dual 3.6Ghz Xeon workstation and holds its own against (in some respects beats) a quad-processor 2.21GHz Alienware Opteron system. The MacBook's [temporary] weakness is that the Mac version of Photoshop is slow because Adobe hasn't finished the universal binary code yet, however the Windows version runs extremely fast on a MacBook. |
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06/07/2006 09:03:47 AM · #42 |
| What about Nikon D50 ($500) and some good lenses. |
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06/07/2006 09:22:38 AM · #43 |
I too am going to upgrading here in the next few weeks. I've been pretty set with the 30d for some time now, actually for awhile it was the 20d, then I found out about the 30d.
Reading more and more about the sony camera, I think I'm still set with the canon. But here's my question, I too have around $1700-$2000 to spend, I thought I'd get the camera, but here are the lenses I want:
canon 100mm f/2.8 macro
canon 50mm f/1.8 II
canon 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM
I looked up the package, camera and the two smaller lenses, it comes to around what my budget can take. But those two lenses are just lenses I want in the future. the 70-200 is what I really want. So, finally, the question: Should I go for the camera and the two lenses now, or just the camera and put the extra money towards saving for the bigger lens?
Just to add...that mac does look pretty good. I may have to convert, one of these days. ;) |
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06/07/2006 09:54:18 AM · #44 |
My $.02
Next year there will be a body that smokes the 30D and you̢۪ll probably want to upgrade. Good glass will always be good glass and will work with that new canon that smokes the 30D. If the XT does everything you want and need, get the XT and spend the money on good glass. My philosophy, you upgrade the body every couple years, so why buy more then you need? You keep the lens, so why not buy the best you can?
Looking at your work you do great with portraits and landscape and you don̢۪t seem to shoot telephoto a lot. So I̢۪m guessing that your 75-300 will suffice for telephoto for now and you like shooting portraits and landscape.
I̢۪d get the XT, the 17-40F4L for landscape, and the Tamron 28-70F2.8 for everything else. I didn̢۪t price check so I might have put you a little over budget. If there is still money left, you would do well with the Canon 50mm F1.8 for $80, or if you are brave head on over to Ebay and find a Takumar 50mm F1.4 in M42 mount and a adapter to EOS (about $50 total depending on the day). It̢۪ll be manual focus and you̢۪ll set the aperture on the lens but I think you̢۪d have a blast with it. Fantastic portrait lens once you get the manual focus down!
As for Sony, it̢۪s a new product so it̢۪s a risk. Canon has been around forever and you know what you are getting. I̢۪d hold off on the Sony until they prove themselves. With the Sony there is a chance you̢۪ll be very happy, but there is also a chance you̢۪ll be very unhappy.
Good luck on what ever you chose.
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06/07/2006 09:58:09 AM · #45 |
That sony is looking better and better, but I'm wondering why people have such a bad taste in their mouth for sony? Their video stuff is a huge cut above the rest in my opinion. What's wrong with their other still photography products? >>>>>>>>
I've never had a Sony camera. My bad taste came from Sony's customer service over a Sony VAIO laptop. The laptop was a lemon, the same darn thing broke 6 times, and while I understand that lemon's happen, it was how Sony treated me that soured me on Sony. They did not want to honor the warranty. Everytime I contacted them they flat out refused to do anything, so I'd bring the computer into Circuit City, and they'd fight Sony into fixing the computer. Finally, when it broke the 6th time, Circuit City just replaced it with a Compaq...that was eventhough I didn't have the extended warranty on the VAIO. I also have a Compaq desktop, and when it needed warranty repair, HP/Compaq was good as gold to me.
So, I'm not bashing Sony products on the whole. Anyone can put out the occassional lemon. It's because of how they treated me that soured me on Sony. So, if you do buy the Sony, make sure you get the expanded warranty, so that you won't have to deal with them at all if you accidently get a lemon.
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06/07/2006 10:09:48 AM · #46 |
I will bash Sony for their products. Granted, I've never owned one of their cameras, but a friend of mine has one of those "super-duper" little CyberShots 7MP, and it's been a piece of crap from day one. When it works, it works okay. It just always seems to be broken, and she isn't hard on it or anything.
My personal experience with Sony come from a Vaio laptop that the company provided the department, which was ALWAYS on the blink, as well as a stereo system and a Diskman CD player, both of which burned through laser readers like you wouldn't believe.
After that, I refuse to buy anything Sony with a laser reader in it, and my distaste for them has extended to cover all their products. And I'll back rafamuffingirl up by saying that I too have heard horror stories about Sony customer service, or the lack thereof.
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06/07/2006 10:18:33 AM · #47 |
I'm starting all over again. Basically every piece of gear I'm buying is new and here is my projected gameplan. I can't afford to do it all at once, but by September I think I can have everything. (Just in time for me to want to upgrade to IS lenses.)
I buy mostly everything on ebay for as cheap as possible.
Canon 350D Digital Rebel XT Kit with 18-55mm EF-S 635.00 USD
Canon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Lens 225.00
Canon 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM Lens 230.00
Canon BG-E3 Battery Grip 130.00
Canon EX430 Speedlight 275.00
Canon Gadget Bag 40.00
Macro Close Up Lenses 26.00
Circular Polarizer 25.00
Sandisk 2GB Compact Flash Ultra II Card 96.00
66" Opetek Tripod 28.00
Canon NB-2LH Battery 43.00
3 UV Haze Filters 33.00
Canon RC-1 Wireless Remote 25.00
Canon EW-63 Lens Hood 30.00
Canon ET-65III Lens Hood 23.00
TOTAL 1863.00 USD
It's the other things that you don't think about that add up when you're considering costs. Filters, bags, memory, hoods etc. |
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06/07/2006 10:52:02 AM · #48 |
Tancredi, I'd cut out some things on your list in exchange for better equipment. I'd also shop around since many of those prices aren't exactly bargains. For example, you can get the Speedlight 430ex for $225, and a 2Gb 120x (that's not a typo) Transcend CF card is $47. Dell sometimes offers the Rebel XT with kit lens for $619, but unfortunately not right now.
I would forget about the 28-105 and 100-300 lenses and instead get the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 ($349 with lens hood) and Canon 70-300 IS ($534), even if it means sacrificing the battery grip or other accessories and/or saving up to do so. A better tripod wouldn't hurt either.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 10:54:04. |
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06/07/2006 11:23:58 AM · #49 |
I gotta agree with Scalvert... buy less things, but better things. If not, this time next year you will be looking to upgrade your lenses and probably selling yours for a song or let them gather dust.
Canon XT Rebel $600
Tamron 28-75 $350
Canon 70-300IS $550
1 or 2GB card, camera bag, tripod, filters $200
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06/07/2006 11:36:23 AM · #50 |
I'd probably end up using the money for medical bills - I'd drive myself insane trying to decide what to get.
Second camera - D20 or D30?
really nice expensive lens - a wide angle L series with IS if possible, a macro with IS,a L series 300mm +?
close up filters and reversing rings - of yeah - that's the easy part.
Printer i9900 Canon
Wacom Tablet, a devise to download cards while travelling,
A camera bag to use on the motercycle (I change lens while on the back - I have a makeshift one, but need something with more padding,
Memory card 1gb +
Photoshop CS2
Just not enough cash . . . decisions . . .decisions . . .sigh
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