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06/01/2006 06:05:25 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by joebok:
... the fishing pole indicates that he got skunked. |
It's called "Catch and Release". Many sportsmen practice that today. Often I've come back from a day of fishing without any fish on a stringer but have a pile of memories to enjoy the fish I caught and released for another day. So, IMO the image by itself does not portray "failure" automatically - not to say it can't...depends on your POV. ;^) |
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06/01/2006 06:06:26 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I think it's in extremely poor taste to call out photos that did well in challenges and claim that their scores were undeserved. All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them. |
I agree 100% |
That's also why the couple of attempts to "critique" front page images in the past has failed as well I suppose. |
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06/01/2006 07:35:04 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by hywind:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I didn't even read the title "failure to connect" before I thought, "equipment failure". If they're sparking they're failing to properly conduct the current.
The fisherman also portrayed failure clearly to me, maybe because I can identify with it. The end of the day, rod in hand but no fish visible, and even his posture suggests dejection.
It's all in one's perceptions, I guess. |
If you can connect to an image that quick without reading the title,you must have an IQ over 200,
And because of the minimalism in the fisherman,you would definately not be able to see the fish, but you could identify with it straight off,give me a break,
and I suppose your comment on entry 104, is all in ones perception, I guess, |
I take time to look at a picture before reading the title, seeing what it says to ME before I look at what it says to the photographer. I connect with what *I* see and feel, not with what the title tells me I should.
Sometimes a title will make me look again to see if I've missed something, or to look from another angle, but I prefer to start with my own perceptions.
And yes, my comment on your entry, ""Photograph something that represents a failure." To me a shot that badly photographs a non-failure subject just doesn't quite fit.", IS, as I stated in the comment, in MY perception. I see nothing wrong with that. If we're all expected to see it through the same eyes as the photographer why bother voting? We could just give it the score the photographer chose.
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06/01/2006 08:20:28 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
...p.s. fotoman, you stated Of course since I neither entered nor voted, my two cents is probably worth about .25 cents....wouldn't this be saying your 2 cents is worth more (25cents) cause you didn't vote? lol think you got it backwards. lol :) j/k |
I thought that same thing but $0.25 (25 cents or quarter of a dollar) is different than 0.25 cents which is only a quarter of one cent. perception, lol |
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06/01/2006 08:31:08 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them. |
I like this statement because you can't argue a photo's score with the masses when that is exactly what this site is, people know exactly what they're getting into and exactly the types of photos that win...
I like to tell everyone, DPC challenges are a niche, just like any other niche; you have weddings, you have stock, you have fine art and you have DPC. Just because your photo does not appeal to the majority of DPC voters, or because so many other photos appealed to them more, does not mean your photo and/or your idea was not good, just means you need to find another market for that picture... and yeah people, lighten up!! :)
If you want, look through my portfolio, I mostly put up photos that I plan on using for stock, I think they work, but check out the comments (btw I asked for the comments), lol, I never told anyone that stock was my intention for those, so everyone is just commenting on how boring they are (and the colors, but that's another story) |
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06/01/2006 10:56:17 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I think it's in extremely poor taste to call out photos that did well in challenges and claim that their scores were undeserved. All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them. |
I agree 100% |
You Did Not read what I said, I.M.O they did not depict Fasilure,not that they did not deserve the score they received. |
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06/01/2006 11:00:20 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by hywind:
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I think it's in extremely poor taste to call out photos that did well in challenges and claim that their scores were undeserved. All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them. |
I agree 100% |
You Did Not read what I said, I.M.O they did not depict Fasilure,not that they did not deserve the score they received. |
hmm... good point, but also tricky wording, not quite sure if this would be an irony as an irony occurs when the literal meaning is in conflict with the implied meaning or contextual meaning (and don't quote me cuz I don't have the dictionary out) |
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06/02/2006 12:46:13 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by amandalore:
Originally posted by hywind:
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I think it's in extremely poor taste to call out photos that did well in challenges and claim that their scores were undeserved. All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them. |
I agree 100% |
You Did Not read what I said, I.M.O they did not depict Fasilure,not that they did not deserve the score they received. |
hmm... good point, but also tricky wording, not quite sure if this would be an irony as an irony occurs when the literal meaning is in conflict with the implied meaning or contextual meaning (and don't quote me cuz I don't have the dictionary out) |
There are several "types" of irony. Verbal irony involves saying one thing while meaning another, so you have that right.
R.
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06/02/2006 01:21:01 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by hywind:
You Did Not read what I said, I.M.O they did not depict Fasilure,not that they did not deserve the score they received. |
Sure I did. You said:
Originally posted by hywind:
If you take away the titles from the 2nd Place, & 5th Place, photos,there is no failure, IMO, 2nd place is just two pieces of wire, not failing to making a spark, and 5th place is a beautifil evening sunset with a fisherman standing in a boat, were is the failure, did not read in the details that the title was to depict a failure, but a photograph.All other images on the front page fit the challenge. |
There's no way to read that as saying that you thought those images deserved the score they received. If you had concluded by saying, "But those pictures still deserved the scores they received," it would have just confused everyone.
I'm also disappointed in Amanda for not realizing that the aforementioned photographers were trying to be ironic by intentionally "failing" to meet the challenge, thus providing an even deeper level of failure. Now you know. ;-)
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06/02/2006 01:50:09 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
There's no way to read that as saying that you thought those images deserved the score they received. If you had concluded by saying, "But those pictures still deserved the scores they received," it would have just confused everyone.
I'm also disappointed in Amanda for not realizing that the aforementioned photographers were trying to be ironic by intentionally "failing" to meet the challenge, thus providing an even deeper level of failure. Now you know. ;-) |
now I am really confused |
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06/02/2006 01:55:21 AM · #36 |
Hmm,
the real winners in this challenge are the DQ'd images, and perhaps the brown ribbon winner with blurred vision.
These photograhers achieved the ultimate failure.
*grin* |
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06/02/2006 03:16:34 AM · #37 |
To me the title is an important part of the challenge. A title that makes me think "Wow! Thats a clever image for this challenge" will make me vote higher than "Even after reading the title it DNMC to me"
As long as DPC allows titles they will influence the voters, and fair enough too.
I just finished voting in The Beatles challenge - one image got a low DNMC vote from me as the track mentioned is not a Beatles track. Another got a 10 rather than 7-8 because of the clever title, I had one of those "Wow" moments and voted accordingly. BTW the title was a Beatles track, just not the boring one many people would have chosen, but fit the image 100%. |
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06/02/2006 03:29:04 PM · #38 |
When I opened this thread, I am stating my opinion,this is a free world.
CHALLENGE RESULTS: discuss challenge results here, did the winner deserve to win or did another photograph. ( the Administrators wording not mine)
From the comments that have kept comming in, some voters appear to think that I am targeting them. not so.
Before the thread was opened, congratulated 2nd place on the ribbon and my opinion as well, he is aware of my thoughts.
By opening this thread I also found out why entry 104 did not fit well with the voters,Thank you all, and now see where this image did not come up to the challenge details, in the correct manner.
Amanda made some very good comments in her quotes,that fitted very well with what was being said.
And just a note, I was an electrical linesman for 10 years, and if you held 2 pieces of wire tegether,and sparks appeared, it successfully told, there is electrical current in both, and turn off the power.A failure to connect never ever came into the equation.
He is smiling.
Message edited by author 2006-06-02 18:57:44. |
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