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05/31/2006 02:05:54 AM · #1 |
| If you take away the titles from the 2nd Place, & 5th Place, photos,there is no failure, IMO, 2nd place is just two pieces of wire, not failing to making a spark, and 5th place is a beautifil evening sunset with a fisherman standing in a boat, were is the failure, did not read in the details that the title was to depict a failure, but a photograph.All other images on the front page fit the challenge. |
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05/31/2006 02:54:41 AM · #2 |
I didn't even read the title "failure to connect" before I thought, "equipment failure". If they're sparking they're failing to properly conduct the current.
The fisherman also portrayed failure clearly to me, maybe because I can identify with it. The end of the day, rod in hand but no fish visible, and even his posture suggests dejection.
It's all in one's perceptions, I guess.
Message edited by author 2006-05-31 02:57:04. |
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05/31/2006 02:58:25 AM · #3 |
Mines failure.. isn't it?
I didn't like number 5 very much either its just a pretty sunset with a fisherman |
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05/31/2006 03:33:45 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by hywind:
If you take away the titles from the 2nd Place, & 5th Place, photos,there is no failure, IMO, 2nd place is just two pieces of wire, not failing to making a spark, and 5th place is a beautifil evening sunset with a fisherman standing in a boat, were is the failure, did not read in the details that the title was to depict a failure, but a photograph.All other images on the front page fit the challenge. |
Of course they are all depicting failure. The wires sparking are depicting some kind of electrical failure, the fisherman obviously has failed to catch anything. I don't see a problem.
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05/31/2006 05:35:42 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Falc:
Originally posted by hywind:
If you take away the titles from the 2nd Place, & 5th Place, photos,there is no failure, IMO, 2nd place is just two pieces of wire, not failing to making a spark, and 5th place is a beautifil evening sunset with a fisherman standing in a boat, were is the failure, did not read in the details that the title was to depict a failure, but a photograph.All other images on the front page fit the challenge. |
Of course they are all depicting failure. The wires sparking are depicting some kind of electrical failure, the fisherman obviously has failed to catch anything. I don't see a problem. |
well why did entry 104 Fail so. |
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05/31/2006 05:49:07 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I didn't even read the title "failure to connect" before I thought, "equipment failure". If they're sparking they're failing to properly conduct the current.
The fisherman also portrayed failure clearly to me, maybe because I can identify with it. The end of the day, rod in hand but no fish visible, and even his posture suggests dejection.
It's all in one's perceptions, I guess. |
If you can connect to an image that quick without reading the title,you must have an IQ over 200,
And because of the minimalism in the fisherman,you would definately not be able to see the fish, but you could identify with it straight off,give me a break,
and I suppose your comment on entry 104, is all in ones perception, I guess, |
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05/31/2006 05:56:27 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by hywind:
Originally posted by Falc:
Originally posted by hywind:
If you take away the titles from the 2nd Place, & 5th Place, photos,there is no failure, IMO, 2nd place is just two pieces of wire, not failing to making a spark, and 5th place is a beautifil evening sunset with a fisherman standing in a boat, were is the failure, did not read in the details that the title was to depict a failure, but a photograph.All other images on the front page fit the challenge. |
Of course they are all depicting failure. The wires sparking are depicting some kind of electrical failure, the fisherman obviously has failed to catch anything. I don't see a problem. |
well why did entry 104 Fail so. |
To be honest I voted low on 104 because it didn't have anything to say to me. Nothing in the image made me think of looking at it for more than the few seconds I needed to vote. Nothing to hold me. The images on the front page have at least some element of zazz (not sure I agree with that for the spark, but you know what I mean).
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05/31/2006 05:57:40 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by hywind:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I didn't even read the title "failure to connect" before I thought, "equipment failure". If they're sparking they're failing to properly conduct the current.
The fisherman also portrayed failure clearly to me, maybe because I can identify with it. The end of the day, rod in hand but no fish visible, and even his posture suggests dejection.
It's all in one's perceptions, I guess. |
If you can connect to an image that quick without reading the title,you must have an IQ over 200,
And because of the minimalism in the fisherman,you would definately not be able to see the fish, but you could identify with it straight off,give me a break,
and I suppose your comment on entry 104, is all in ones perception, I guess, |
And I see that someone that could connect so quickly with these two high scoring images,didn't even make a comment on either one. |
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05/31/2006 06:34:21 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by hywind:
... And I see that someone that could connect so quickly with these two high scoring images,didn't even make a comment on either one. |
It took the results coming in before you found your keyboard on the second place image. ;^) I, on the other hand didn't find the keyboard at all, so have a blast on pointing that out to me.
2nd place finish says failure without a title, no problem. I do agree that 5th place is thin without the title (insert pretty picture), as the fisherman is just walking and looking where he's putting his feet (it is rather dark and no light to see by). 5th place could have worked better almost for success as any day spent fishing is a good one. ;^) |
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05/31/2006 12:18:28 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Falc:
The images on the front page have at least some element of zazz (not sure I agree with that for the spark, but you know what I mean). |
There's an enormous problem with the 'failure' theme, in that failure never announces itself. 'zazz' is presumably antithetical to 'failure' - although of course it's a natural way to sort when voting.
3 & 8 depict success and failure simultaneously, as is natural to games. |
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05/31/2006 12:35:17 PM · #11 |
I really don't see a problem with either of the images mentioned.
The sparks one is pretty cool, I would have gotten that right off the bat with no title. pretty easy connection (pardon the pun).
The fishing one. I can see that in the image without being told that the fisherman was a failure. I'd also have to agree with glad2badad that it could work for success too. Yup, any day fishing is a good day indeed :-) I'm not real fond of the photo itself though, just doesn't suit my tastes.
Of course since I niether entered nor voted, my two cents is probably worth about .25 cents.
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05/31/2006 10:41:46 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by hywind:
... And I see that someone that could connect so quickly with these two high scoring images,didn't even make a comment on either one. |
It took the results coming in before you found your keyboard on the second place image. ;^) I, on the other hand didn't find the keyboard at all, so have a blast on pointing that out to me.
2nd place finish says failure without a title, no problem. I do agree that 5th place is thin without the title (insert pretty picture), as the fisherman is just walking and looking where he's putting his feet (it is rather dark and no light to see by). 5th place could have worked better almost for success as any day spent fishing is a good one. ;^) |
Well if One put "Electricity on both wires success" how would you see the image then I didn't vote or comment on 2nd as to me it did not say failure.
Message edited by author 2006-05-31 22:53:11. |
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05/31/2006 10:44:40 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I really don't see a problem with either of the images mentioned.
The sparks one is pretty cool, I would have gotten that right off the bat with no title. pretty easy connection (pardon the pun).
The fishing one. I can see that in the image without being told that the fisherman was a failure. I'd also have to agree with glad2badad that it could work for success too. Yup, any day fishing is a good day indeed :-) I'm not real fond of the photo itself though, just doesn't suit my tastes.
Of course since I niether entered nor voted, my two cents is probably worth about .25 cents. |
Looks like a success whith power on both wires, so I must be wierd,oh well |
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05/31/2006 11:01:28 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by hywind:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I really don't see a problem with either of the images mentioned.
The sparks one is pretty cool, I would have gotten that right off the bat with no title. pretty easy connection (pardon the pun).
The fishing one. I can see that in the image without being told that the fisherman was a failure. I'd also have to agree with glad2badad that it could work for success too. Yup, any day fishing is a good day indeed :-) I'm not real fond of the photo itself though, just doesn't suit my tastes.
Of course since I niether entered nor voted, my two cents is probably worth about .25 cents. |
Looks like a success whith power on both wires, so I must be wierd,oh well |
sorry, but when any of my electrical devices do that, it most certainly is a failure for me, I prefer my cords to be in tact, I think it is your frame of reference that determines that, is the glass half empty or half full?
I think your image conveyed failure well, but was not a pleasing image to look at and didn't show much photographic merit other than it was a well lit nice subject and composition was good. DPC voters tend to vote equally high on both "does it meet the challenge and portray it well" and "was it a technically good execution of photographic talent"
you've scored pretty well on other challenges, so I think you should have the hang of the voting tendencies, but for the record, I gave your shot a 7, so don't think I am being mean, just posting my neutral thoughts |
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05/31/2006 11:17:41 PM · #15 |
Brian, it's hard for me to sit here and tell you what I would have voted your images as. I did just stare at it for a while and in the challenge context, I see that it did fit the challenge.
Kinda hard for me to vote real high on an out of focus photo at anytime. My guess is that I would have probably clicked a midrange vote and just moved on. Actually the same goes for the 5th place shot (way too yellow). I have some technical issues with the second place shot also. But all 3 photos (including yours) did meet the challenge IMO.
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05/31/2006 11:32:16 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by hywind:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I didn't even read the title "failure to connect" before I thought, "equipment failure". If they're sparking they're failing to properly conduct the current.
The fisherman also portrayed failure clearly to me, maybe because I can identify with it. The end of the day, rod in hand but no fish visible, and even his posture suggests dejection.
It's all in one's perceptions, I guess. |
If you can connect to an image that quick without reading the title,you must have an IQ over 200,
And because of the minimalism in the fisherman,you would definately not be able to see the fish, but you could identify with it straight off,give me a break,
and I suppose your comment on entry 104, is all in ones perception, I guess, |
Like BeeCee, I saw the failure in the fishing picture right away - no title needed. I believe the photo is well done - the pier leads the eye out to the dramatic horizon, complete with sunset and all the trimmings - and yet the figure is slouched, looking down, hand possibly in pocket, with his back to the scene behind him, color is off from a "traditional" sunset - something obviously went wrong, the fishing pole indicates that he got skunked. |
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05/31/2006 11:38:06 PM · #17 |
What we have here is a failure to communicate. Ha!
Off to bed. |
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05/31/2006 11:42:10 PM · #18 |
I really did not get the 1st place image. Old is failure?
I respect everyone votes, but I would not have given it high marks. |
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06/01/2006 08:42:17 AM · #19 |
I think that all too often there are people who over-analyse the challenge title and forget to look at the photographs. The moment someone has to go and find a dictionary or encyclopaedia definition, especially online, there has been a "failure to communicate".
I want to view the photograph as a photograph, it is like looking at a piece of written English where there is no right or wrong, just good or bad ideas, execution and style.
Roger |
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06/01/2006 02:18:50 PM · #20 |
yeah, I view the challenges as a way to "challenge" us to think out of the box (though there's many complaints that out of the box thinkers usually don't score well so often), because if it were just a photography challenge all the time, the same photo or same type of photo would win over and over again. I think everyone gets too wrapped up in "What are the Rules?" and forget that the other half of this is photography, a good photo is still a good photo, and ART NEEDS EXPLAINING!! I think without titles, every photo would be left to the mercy of the interpreter's frame of reference, which I would only hope was influenced by the context of the challenge it was in. I think it's ok to make a picture "fit" but a lot of DPCers don't agree which might be part of why every challenge ends up with a bunch of similar photos --> (ie: cookies'n'milk lens caps) so lighten up everyone :) lol (it's sad when this is a defense mechanism, a sheepish don't be mad at me grin, and not a good hardy laugh out loud and smiley face like it should be) with that said :) :) :) for emphasis, hahahaa...
hmmm... maybe that super long post belongs in rant |
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06/01/2006 03:18:09 PM · #21 |
Most art I've seen has a title... also, semantics can be involved, as in the 2nd place shot: it's a failure of connection (frayed wires, not just the title), BUT it could have been in Success as a successful spark/break/light...
And this is why we have viewers vote on the submissions, (and also why DNMC is not a reason to disqualify, as it may be difficult to ascertain the shooter's intent). |
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06/01/2006 03:55:21 PM · #22 |
I think it's in extremely poor taste to call out photos that did well in challenges and claim that their scores were undeserved. All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them.
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06/01/2006 04:19:35 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I think it's in extremely poor taste to call out photos that did well in challenges and claim that their scores were undeserved. All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them. |
well said!
btw...in my opinion 104 shows failure on the part of the photographer not a "Photograph something that represents a failure" as most others do show. As stated it is all part of your perception of the image (glass half full or half empty was how it was put) so you don't very well have the right to say the majority is wrong because you saw it different.
...p.s. fotoman, you stated Of course since I neither entered nor voted, my two cents is probably worth about .25 cents....wouldn't this be saying your 2 cents is worth more (25cents) cause you didn't vote? lol think you got it backwards. lol :) j/k |
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06/01/2006 04:34:09 PM · #24 |
Thank you all for your comments,I found them both constructive and learning in the way DPC, voters see images in different ways. I beleive in what amanda said, lighten up.
Just to finnish up through the last year my images (92) have had comments of this or that is required,and you should do this different,all of which I see as constructive criticism. One of my images, entered in another site challenge that is judged by a panel of judges where photography is there business, finished one of 800 Finalists,(20,758) entries,and voted into 64th. DPC gave it a 5.4.
I like DPC for the feed back that can take place and, the community it creates,even if we are a world apart from each other. |
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06/01/2006 04:55:16 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I think it's in extremely poor taste to call out photos that did well in challenges and claim that their scores were undeserved. All challenge entries deserve exactly the score they got because that's exactly how the voters perceived them. |
I agree 100% |
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