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05/29/2006 02:14:28 PM · #76 |
| Seems to me all the marshall had to do is clarify for Tiger that, in this case, the pronoun "you" is singular. "Enlisting the aid of a spectator" for anything is probably disallowed in general. Seems like those officials were sheep cowed by a Tiger ... |
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05/29/2006 02:18:27 PM · #77 |
I think you are right, but nobody wants to be fired for costing the PGA's money train a tourney. They all understand that if he is in contention on sat or sun then millions more people watch. I would bet that at least some advertising contracts have a clause that charges more if tiger is winning at the end. It may not be right but that is what happens when you start playing for money, it becomes all about the business.
Message edited by author 2006-05-29 14:19:06. |
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05/29/2006 02:20:58 PM · #78 |
| That's a nice elaboration of what I meant by my last sentence : ) |
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05/29/2006 02:28:24 PM · #79 |
From the 06-07 Rules of Golf from the USGA
23-1/2 Large Stone Removable Only with Much Effort
Q. A player̢۪s ball lies in the rough directly behind a loose stone the size of a watermelon. The stone can be removed only with much effort. Is it a loose impediment which may be removed?
A. Yes. Stones of any size (not solidly embedded) are loose impediments and may be removed, provided removal does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7).
23-1/3 Assistance in Removing Large Loose Impediment
Q. May spectators, caddies, fellow-competitors, etc., assist a player in removing a large loose impediment?
A. Yes.
Message edited by author 2006-05-29 14:29:51. |
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05/29/2006 02:31:37 PM · #80 |
| would be funny to see them play a tounrney near stonehenge ;) |
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05/29/2006 02:33:38 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
would be funny to see them play a tounrney near stonehenge ;) |
provided removal does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7).
:-P |
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05/29/2006 02:35:37 PM · #82 |
| You mean giant logs and pulleys would be classified as unduly delaying play? Next you are going to say I can't have my caddy drive a bobcat just to be ready. |
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05/29/2006 02:38:37 PM · #83 |
The clarification in the rules came, I believe, in the definition of what "loose" means. I believe they decided that if it didn't leave a depression behind, it was "loose", but if it was embedded to any degree it was not "loose". But I haven't really kept up...
R.
Message edited by author 2006-05-29 14:45:34.
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05/29/2006 02:42:20 PM · #84 |
That's the beauty of Golf there are rules for rules and rules for those rules too.
:-P
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05/29/2006 02:44:33 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
That's the beauty of Golf there are rules for rules and rules for those rules too.
:-P |
Also the beauty is that much of the play is done on the honor system. |
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05/29/2006 02:48:30 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
That's the beauty of Golf there are rules for rules and rules for those rules too.
:-P |
Also the beauty is that much of the play is done on the honor system. |
Excellent point! Another fine reason to learn the game. |
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05/29/2006 02:56:04 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
When is it going over the line when it takes more than one person to capture an image, pertaining to collaboration rules? |
I don't understand what the fuss is about. The Advanced Editing Rules very clearly define the shutter-pusher role.
This continued discussion appears therefore to have another agenda
Brett |
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05/29/2006 03:02:35 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
From the 06-07 Rules of Golf from the USGA
23-1/2 Large Stone Removable Only with Much Effort
Q. A player̢۪s ball lies in the rough directly behind a loose stone the size of a watermelon. The stone can be removed only with much effort. Is it a loose impediment which may be removed?
A. Yes. Stones of any size (not solidly embedded) are loose impediments and may be removed, provided removal does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7).
23-1/3 Assistance in Removing Large Loose Impediment
Q. May spectators, caddies, fellow-competitors, etc., assist a player in removing a large loose impediment?
A. Yes. |
Out of necessity Arizona golfer's, like thegrandwazoo, know this rule by heart. LOL!!!
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05/29/2006 03:05:23 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by KiwiPix:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
When is it going over the line when it takes more than one person to capture an image, pertaining to collaboration rules? |
I don't understand what the fuss is about. The Advanced Editing Rules very clearly define the shutter-pusher role.
This continued discussion appears therefore to have another agenda
Brett |
Actually, the description is the same in both rulesets. I can't speak to anyone else's agenda, but MINE is to emphasize that this is a rule that should rarely be evoked in DPC challenge entries. From my own, personal point of view, if you conceive and execute an image which requires the assistance of a whole bunch of people to pull it off, that's still not what they mean by "collaboration" in our rules. And since the rule's VERY clear about how another person may trip the shutter, that's a non-issue to me.
In my mind, this collaboration clause is probably intended to exclude images that someone else post-processes for you. And I'm in agreement with that.
Robt.
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05/29/2006 03:39:15 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
In my mind, this collaboration clause is probably intended to exclude images that someone else post-processes for you. And I'm in agreement with that.
Robt. |
And, we are pretty permissive about that too, when circumstances warrant. When my son Isaac was submitting (c. age 5-6), I would have my hand on the mouse, but he would direct me where to position the crop box.
I have red-green color-blindness, so I sometimes ask him if something looks purple or blue ... |
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05/29/2006 04:18:28 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
...I think they were saying that he COULD have done it not that he SHOULD have bought the remote and done it himself, at least that is how I took it.
I agree with you on the last line. |
Yup, that's what I was merely trying to say! I couldn't care less about who tripped the shutter...
And I definitely agree on the anal part...Hair splitting seems to be a major DPC pastime these days... |
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05/29/2006 05:25:07 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by KiwiPix:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
When is it going over the line when it takes more than one person to capture an image, pertaining to collaboration rules? |
I don't understand what the fuss is about. The Advanced Editing Rules very clearly define the shutter-pusher role.
This continued discussion appears therefore to have another agenda
Brett |
Nope. No other agenda. I revisited this thread after the challenge was over since it appeared to be inappropriate during the challenge - EVEN THOUGH the wording of the validation request pop-up box says otherwise.
Primarily I wanted to debate what falls within the rules and what doesn't. As for the "shutter-pusher" role being clearly defined, I disagree.
When I first read the line in the rules under ownership that states "You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to..." I took it to mean the photographer may have a handicap in some way and needed assistance. I'm not alone in this train of thought as was voiced by another person in this thread.
Again, to reiterate - this is what prompted me to start this thread originally...
(underlining of text added for emphasis)
We ask that you please be very descriptive. If you are unsure what is or is not allowed, please read through the Advanced Editing rules or you can ask in our forums. Your suggestion will be reviewed by the Site Council, and if necessary, appropriate action will be taken.
...and this is what is posted in the challenge rules.
Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.
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05/29/2006 05:30:39 PM · #93 |
This is starting to feel like Groundhog's Day.  |
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05/29/2006 07:11:11 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by mk:
This is starting to feel like Groundhog's Day. |
whatever...
...and nevermind. It's obvious the rules are quite clear. Everybody understands them 100%, everybody but me and now I've figured it out.
It's a rule on the books that can't be enforced anyway...so, no big deal.
Thanks for the ride. |
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