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05/20/2006 06:18:15 PM · #76 |
A little something from left field.
I've been here for 4 months or so. I've participated in 4 Challenges and if you look at my scores and pictures, I've learned a lot and have gotten better. I enjoy the riff-raff, but when I need to learn something, I go find it. It's the self motivation to improve that makes me ignore the "fun" for a bit and get down to business. But I do love sitting at work, with time off, reading all the "crap" making the time go bye.
Like it or not, we all have something in common: Photography. That is a common bond that allows us to get to know each other. "Birds of a feather, flock together" thing. If we were to see each other in public, I bet the conversation would follow these topics(Not in order): Photography, Cameras, lens, past jobs, home town, married Y/N, kids Y/N, future life plans, Photoshop tips, I could go on. If you read people's profile most of these topics are covered, so that kinda makes room for the rest.
V/R
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05/20/2006 07:00:37 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by magnus:
Originally posted by Marjo:
Bear, I didn't realize that you'd started a class/thread for everyone. It looks great. :)
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See? That's exactly my point! We all keep missing these things because the forums flow through too fast... |
Click on the community button on the top bar, gives you the last 100 posted to threads or something.
Nothing goes by too fast, a 30mph car seems fasst from 1 foot away, while it looks dreadfully slow from the top of a scyscraper. Change your view. |
Hey thanks for that hint about the community button, I can't believe I didn't know that! But that doesn't change my point, it would still be a huge help to be able to browse an index of current photo projects, long-term learning threads, and such. That community button is a 24hour index, I'm talking about an index that would change weekly or monthly, and be moderated. How'd you like that for a change of view? |
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05/20/2006 10:20:14 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by karmat:
... I will, however, remind you (the general reader) of an important element of the forums. If you go up to the top of the thread, there is a little drop down box. Click the down arrow and choose "Ignore."
That thread now drops out of your reality and into virtual oblivion unless you try to find it and resuscitate it on your own.
This feature was made exclusively for those of you that do not wish to read about Cindi's date, the latest (well, technically not latest) ways to deal with menses, or the latest political scandal out of Washington.
The suggestion was made to get the site back "on topic" and discuss those things that are only photography -- a valid concern and real to a great many people. However, it has been dealt with already. Perhaps not to the degree that the OP wanted, but there are options in place so that you can deal only with photography.
Ignored theads do not show up on your front page. Ignoring a thread enables others to stay there longer. Please try to use it before calling other off topics discussions or people worthless. |
Nope. As a 'general reader' I can safely say that there is no such drop-down box at the top of this thread or any other.
Originally posted by amandalore:
Show me a well functioning, close-knit group that does not socialize. Show me a good teacher who does not take the time to get to know their students, including their home lives. If this website were formal and uptight, I would never feel comfortable enough to ask questions and learn about photography, as I am just beginning. I think that DPC's dynamic atmosphere is the reason I have learned so much in just a few weeks. ... |
Friendly bantor is a good thing. It pulls everyone closer together and helps glue the community together. But that is quite a bit different than some attention starved joker heckling from the crowd trying desperately to get a few moments of fame at someone elses expense. These antics do not improve the community, they do not promote goodwill toward anyone or anything. What they do accomplish is driving a wedge between the individuals in the community, disrupting the productive activities and usually end up with more than a few negative emotions being displayed.
Originally posted by amandalore:
... If you don't like DPC, then you don't have to be here, obviously the majority like it the way it is, or it wouldn't be "full" of chatter as you say. I can't believe how drawn out this thread has gotten, as everyone has pointed out that there is an ignore thread function.
Get over it and grow up. Thank you. ... |
This is a wonderful example of what I said above. Taking it upon yourself to invite others to leave 'your' community is doing nothing to encourage the growth of that community -- particularly when those you are inviting to leave where here, making the community what it is, long before you made the choice to join them!
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
... this whole thread is an excersize in poor judgement, or more to the point an excersize in being judgemental. |
If, while you were trying to conduct a portrait session, the local good-old boys decided your studio was the perfect spot for a game of football -- would they be welcome? If they knocked over lights, drew a moustache on your model with her eyeliner pencil and pulled your underwear up over your head before they left, leaving you with a wedgy and a bad taste in your mouth -- would you consider yourself 'judgemental' if you asked that they choose somewhere more appropriate for their childish antics?
As the saying goes, 'there is a time and a place for everything' -- a growing number over the past few months have obviously never learned that. :(
David
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05/20/2006 10:44:57 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by karmat:
... I will, however, remind you (the general reader) of an important element of the forums. If you go up to the top of the thread, there is a little drop down box. Click the down arrow and choose "Ignore."
That thread now drops out of your reality and into virtual oblivion unless you try to find it and resuscitate it on your own.
This feature was made exclusively for those of you that do not wish to read about Cindi's date, the latest (well, technically not latest) ways to deal with menses, or the latest political scandal out of Washington.
The suggestion was made to get the site back "on topic" and discuss those things that are only photography -- a valid concern and real to a great many people. However, it has been dealt with already. Perhaps not to the degree that the OP wanted, but there are options in place so that you can deal only with photography.
Ignored theads do not show up on your front page. Ignoring a thread enables others to stay there longer. Please try to use it before calling other off topics discussions or people worthless. |
Nope. As a 'general reader' I can safely say that there is no such drop-down box at the top of this thread or any other.
David |
Sorry 'bout that. Guess I should have phrased it "general member." I meant general reader in that the person who peruses the forums on a regular basis.
So, for all you folks who wondered what 25 USD would buy you, you can now add "ignore button" to your list. ;) |
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05/20/2006 10:49:40 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by karmat:
So, for all you folks who wondered what 25 USD would buy you, you can now add "ignore button" to your list. ;) |
Hey I got one of those ! |
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05/20/2006 11:55:32 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by karmat:
... Sorry 'bout that. Guess I should have phrased it "general member." I meant general reader in that the person who peruses the forums on a regular basis.
So, for all you folks who wondered what 25 USD would buy you, you can now add "ignore button" to your list. ;) |
Yeah, being only recently desaturated I knew it was up there before. :D
David
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05/21/2006 01:05:51 AM · #82 |
That example is extreme to say the least. You imply that the "antics" here are purposely harmful and hurtful, which they are not. To be judgemental myself, I saw the example as just plain silly.
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
... this whole thread is an excersize in poor judgement, or more to the point an excersize in being judgemental. |
If, while you were trying to conduct a portrait session, the local good-old boys decided your studio was the perfect spot for a game of football -- would they be welcome? If they knocked over lights, drew a moustache on your model with her eyeliner pencil and pulled your underwear up over your head before they left, leaving you with a wedgy and a bad taste in your mouth -- would you consider yourself 'judgemental' if you asked that they choose somewhere more appropriate for their childish antics?
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05/21/2006 01:12:17 AM · #83 |
| I think I will write a tutorial. Online Journals, Forums, Chat: What's the Difference? |
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05/21/2006 01:32:04 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by amandalore:
Show me a well functioning, close-knit group that does not socialize. |
I agree. Heck, someone show me one web site on any subject that has a forums section where a General Discussion sub-forum or equalivant doesn't exist. I've yet to find such a site.
This thread really isn't about "getting back on topic" or anything remotely that. It's about wanting to change what fundamentally has always existed since the inception of the internet and that's socializing. If anybody has a problem with too many "General Discussion" threads popping up on the Recent Forum Activity list instead of bitching about it start a photography thread in one of the countless forums for that here at DPC or use the ignore button for the General Discussion and Rant sections. How friggin hard is that?
Message edited by author 2006-05-21 01:33:28.
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05/21/2006 01:41:22 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by David.C:
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If, while you were trying to conduct a portrait session, the local good-old boys decided your studio was the perfect spot for a game of football -- would they be welcome? If they knocked over lights, drew a moustache on your model with her eyeliner pencil and pulled your underwear up over your head before they left, leaving you with a wedgy and a bad taste in your mouth -- would you consider yourself 'judgemental' if you asked that they choose somewhere more appropriate for their childish antics?
As the saying goes, 'there is a time and a place for everything' -- a growing number over the past few months have obviously never learned that. :(
David |
I also believe that this analogy to be extreme and incorrect. A better one would be comparing these forums to an all you can eat smorgasbord, you just go and get bits of food from different areas that you like and pass on the ones you don’t like but it doesn’t mean that if you don’t like it that it should not be on display for everyone else to try.
It really annoys me when I keep reading how this place is only for photography education and has changed since 2002 and we shouldn’t do this and we shouldn’t do that because that is not how the site started well “Hello” things do change people change they come an they go the site evolves and will never be the same just get use to it change is a good thing and it is brought about by demand.
Just think if you left the site for say four years for some reason and then you just popped back in for look and it was still the same. I know my first reaction would be “wow it’s still the same how boring” just enjoy the site for what it is and only eat the bits you like and leave the bits you don’t like.
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05/21/2006 01:55:01 AM · #86 |
For some reason this has struck a nerve for me
I think, (now granted: I'm tired and not totally sober) instead of the "ignore" button the want is for an "un-ignore" button. But default have off topic post on ignore, locked in the basement, and the person who wants to read it will go in and turn off ignore. That would cause problems because if I don't know it's there, why would I look for it.
BUT with topic titles like:
"30 Day Other People Portraits & Candids Challenge" - Another 30 day
challenge
"Underated DPCers" - Hey a topic about Underated DPCers.
"Score predictions for Environmental Portrait...." - I need help on
this one.
"Tonight's sunset" - Sure as heck not this morning's sunset
"Window to the Valley - CC please" - Title of Picture, wants
comments.
"Still Life Scores >.>" - Could it be Scores from the Still life
Challenge?
I think, here I go again, that I KNOW what each topic is about. Most people here are kind enough to provide a filter so to speak by naming the topics in relation to what the topic is ABOUT. (Logic the dirty 5 letter word) So in that frame of mind: If I don't care, I don't read.
Edit: And it's not the Jokes, the 'Horrific' Cheese Picture, or the wide range of non-photography related topics that would turn me off from this. I enjoy all of it. I paid my $25 to get better at photography. Come Feb of next year I'll gladly do it again to remain part of this community. The "if you don't like it you can leave" comment I agree with totally. If you don't like something don't sit here and complain about it, either actively participate to fix it, or find a spot where you do fit. When you(collective) do, come back and tell everyone about it. I'm sure there are others here that feel the same way on many different topics, not just this one. If anyone finds a better group share.
I think I'm done, for now. My glass is empty.
V/R
Myers
edit(2)Didn't intend to quote anyone...
Message edited by author 2006-05-21 02:27:01. |
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05/21/2006 02:09:11 AM · #87 |
I'm not sure I get what you're saying. There are plenty of solutions for those that don't want to be bother by threads in the General Discussion or Rant forums. They are:
- Use the ignore button for the forums that don't interest you (i.e. General Discussion and Rant). That can be done here
- Manually ignore threads (as in don't click on the threads that says it's from Rant or General Discussion forums.
- Stop using the Recent Activity List to find threads that interest you. Instead go directly to the home page of the forum sections that you find interesting. For example: Photography Discussion Forum This is typically what most do on every other forum based site. The Recent Activity list has just made people lazy here I think.
I think those are enough solutions. Also, I'm tired but I think I'm sober. :)
Edited for clarity.
Message edited by author 2006-05-21 02:13:54.
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05/21/2006 03:31:39 AM · #88 |
Ok, I guess what I said was a little harsh; I'm not trying to make anyone mad. I suppose that I just have too much anti-censorship built up in me. I know that none of us are going to change anyone else's mind, it just made me a little mad that someone would actually be upset that people were talking to each other. I vented what I wanted to say, and I respect that you have your opinion, and I'm not going to force mine on you, so this is the end of my arguing (that is, of course, unless you say something that really ticks me off... lol...) so, thanx for a good chuckle. (and yes, I appologize, the grow up statement was immature, though that was the beauty of it)
Sorry. (not for what I said, but for how you feel about it). |
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05/21/2006 05:25:11 AM · #89 |
It has been suggested that humour may be a practical survival characteristic in humans. You don't see a lot of other species ROFL. One little theory about the usefulness of humour, is that it provides an area of experimentation. It's even possible that the whole human thing started out that way: no serious monkey would have jumped down out of the trees and started walking around on its hind legs.
I notice that a great deal of credit is given to interpretations of challenge parameters that 'step outside the box'. Even jokes are appreciated, in the context of submissions and word play in titles etc.
Anyone found not laughing after lights out will be taken from this place and hung by the neck until they cheer up. |
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05/21/2006 05:47:12 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
That example is extreme to say the least. You imply that the "antics" here are purposely harmful and hurtful, which they are not. To be judgemental myself, I saw the example as just plain silly.
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
... this whole thread is an excersize in poor judgement, or more to the point an excersize in being judgemental. |
If, while you were trying to conduct a portrait session, the local good-old boys decided your studio was the perfect spot for a game of football -- would they be welcome? If they knocked over lights, drew a moustache on your model with her eyeliner pencil and pulled your underwear up over your head before they left, leaving you with a wedgy and a bad taste in your mouth -- would you consider yourself 'judgemental' if you asked that they choose somewhere more appropriate for their childish antics?
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Silly? :D
Over the top, perhaps? It was meant to be to keep it light-hearted and prevent others (you in particular, since I quoted you) from taking it in an abrassive manner. Do I really need to have included more smilies? :P
My tone is light, but my argument remains the same. While I don't believe for an instant the intention is destructive -- the results are often disruptive at best. There is a place for 'well mannered frivolity', but in every thread in every forum is not that place.
Let me make my stance on this perfectly clear, because from your response and Tim's I don't think it is. I don't care how many threads there are that have absolutely nothing to do with the art or craft of photography -- as long as they are not in the forums that are specifically for discussions of a photographic nature. There are currently three forums for off-topic discussions; 'Rant' - for the more volitile subjects and the two general discussion forums (one for all users and one for members only).
What I don't like is that these off-topic discussions are interjected into nearly every other thread on the site. Again, I don't believe for an instant the intention is to disrupt, but each thread is a discussion on a certain topic or perhaps an activity such as the learning and portrait threads. Off-topic posters are very much like them 'good-old boys' from my over-the-top example; they result in the disruption of the discussion and quite often the destruction of the usefulness and premature end of the thread. This is all done under the guise of 'good, clean fun' with no intention to upset others -- indeed, from all appearances it is done with no consideration of others at all. :(
/edit: I should also make it clear that I am not trying to point a finger at you, although you are often amoung the 'good-old boys' (often brought into the conversation long before you actually read the thread). How was it you put it recently ... "How'd I get the position of posterboy for oddness here?" :) Like I said, there are no fingers pointing from my terminal -- just a discussion of my dislike of some of the general change in atmosphere around here.
David
Message edited by author 2006-05-21 05:55:31.
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05/21/2006 06:31:19 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by David.C:
If, while you were trying to conduct a portrait session, the local good-old boys decided your studio was the perfect spot for a game of football -- would they be welcome? If they knocked over lights, drew a moustache on your model with her eyeliner pencil and pulled your underwear up over your head before they left, leaving you with a wedgy and a bad taste in your mouth -- would you consider yourself 'judgemental' if you asked that they choose somewhere more appropriate for their childish antics?
As the saying goes, 'there is a time and a place for everything' -- a growing number over the past few months have obviously never learned that. :(
David |
I also believe that this analogy to be extreme and incorrect. A better one would be comparing these forums to an all you can eat smorgasbord, you just go and get bits of food from different areas that you like and pass on the ones you don’t like but it doesn’t mean that if you don’t like it that it should not be on display for everyone else to try. ... |
I am not wanting the choice removed from display for others. What I do disagree is useful in any way is, after I have choosen what I want from the smorgasbord (in your analogy), someone drops their leftovers on my plate while I'm trying to eat it saying my choice needs some livening up.
Originally posted by keegbow:
... It really annoys me when I keep reading how this place is only for photography education and has changed since 2002 and we shouldn’t do this and we shouldn’t do that because that is not how the site started well “Hello” things do change people change they come an they go the site evolves and will never be the same just get use to it change is a good thing and it is brought about by demand. ... |
I am not against change at all, it is vital to the continuation of anything -- if something is not improving, it is falling apart; there is no staying the same. However, not all change is good. A change that reinforces the purpose of the site is an example of a good change. No change is bad, very bad -- but changing for the sake of changing is even worse. And worst of all is random change (which includes change because of public opinion or popular demand), which is the same as playing roulette -- sometimes you win, most times you lose.
David
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05/21/2006 07:16:58 AM · #92 |
I can still see 5 out of 30 threads on the front page which are not directly related to cameras, photography, or post-processing.
I don't want leftovers! - And I don't want people drawing moustaches on my face and giving me wedgies.
Although, I could be tempted by the roulette idea.... And to be honest, if I'm really hungry (attention starved even) then a plateful of smorgasbord leftovers could be tempting. |
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05/21/2006 07:45:00 AM · #93 |
Right now, I see 3 threads on the front page (out of 30) not related to photography, the challenges, or the site.
I see no problem with a 9:1 signal-to-noise ratio.
~Terry
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05/21/2006 12:15:32 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by David.C:
Silly? :D
Over the top, perhaps? It was meant to be to keep it light-hearted and prevent others (you in particular, since I quoted you) from taking it in an abrassive manner. Do I really need to have included more smilies? :P
David |
Perhaps, I should have added a :-P to my post as well :-D
ETA: Putting this thread on ignore. I believe I've said enough here.
Message edited by author 2006-05-21 12:24:13.
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05/21/2006 01:11:34 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by amandalore:
... If you don't like DPC, then you don't have to be here, obviously the majority like it the way it is, or it wouldn't be "full" of chatter as you say. I can't believe how drawn out this thread has gotten, as everyone has pointed out that there is an ignore thread function.
Get over it and grow up. Thank you. ... |
This is a wonderful example of what I said above. Taking it upon yourself to invite others to leave 'your' community is doing nothing to encourage the growth of that community -- particularly when those you are inviting to leave where here, making the community what it is, long before you made the choice to join them!
David |
I also wanted to clarify that I did not invite anyone to leave, I was merely stating a fact that is true no matter how long I've been here. |
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