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05/15/2006 08:39:54 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
I am into photography when i was a kid.
but i started the photography world about 8 months ago with my fisrt camera, Nikon Coolpix8800.
I will tell you one reason only that make me to get the most expensive top camera. I met one indian guy in my area somewhere when i am walking to take some photos around, he was curious about me and me about him as well. we talked for a while and i saw his cam, he got 1Ds Mark II, he told me it is the best, i asked him about his job he told me he is just a salesman, and photography just a hobby not a business, so i think of that camera alot, why he got one and i can't. he is not that rich ro get expensive cameras and lense, anyway i asked him about his tools and photography, he told me that he loves photography since 3 years ago, and he got fuji finepix before but then he bought 1Ds for himself. I know most locals in my area can buy 4 1Ds with no problems, so i like to have good top camera doesn't matter to have best pics ot not, i saw it and tried it and i liked it very much, thats all. about lenses i think i have to stop discussing about it because people here think that i am all wrong and i don't know what get, i hope no one here wish that i never get anything. |
It is not that we wish you never got anything, it's just that you are coming off the wrong way. You ask for our advice and then tell us we are wrong and go on flaunting the fact that you have all this spare money. That is not a very nice thing to do. People here have been giving you very good advice and you have chosen to take it as bad advice and gone on about what you want. You get upset when people don't give you the advice you want to hear or when people disagree with you. If you feel that way, then just don't ask for advice you have no intention of listening to.
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05/15/2006 08:48:24 AM · #52 |
UAE_Guy - Do you have a rental place, or friends you can borrow from? I find it enormously helpful in deciding which lens to envy. The reviews and people's opinions are great in informing you, but actually trying out the lens is the best way to make a final decision.
BTW, I now routinely rent the 70-200L IS, and am in love with it. |
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05/15/2006 09:15:05 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
again, i saw a different in size printing between 8MP cameras and <10MP
i told you people that i print sometimes on A0 size, so it will be clear the difference, so then i have 2 choices between 2 FF <10MP cameras, they are 5D and 1Ds MarkII, most people just tell me to go for 5D because it is cheaper no another reason, even in magazines of photography i got they wrtie down the 1Ds is the best over 5D but 5D much cheaper so more preferable for money. Good luck for all and me. |
Do whatever you want.
Why do you ask for advice if you're already the smartest person here by far and know what you want already? Maybe you should start charging people for your nuggets of wisdom. That way you can have even more money to flaunt.
As for me, I'm done here.
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05/15/2006 09:30:17 AM · #54 |
| Anyone know Sascha Baronchoen (Ali G, Borak) ? I think someone might be taking the mikey here !! |
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05/15/2006 09:30:50 AM · #55 |
Guys, hold on a bit.
Just for interest, the UAE (United Arab Emerates) is a shopping mecca and actively marketed as such, and prices there are really really cheap, and there is a lit of money around. I know some people that fly up to Dubai, just for a couple of days shopping. If I ever wanted a 1D, which incidently are hugely expensive here on the southern tip of Africa, the UAE is where I would go. Prob with flights, purchase of 1D etc, it would prob be cheaper for me than walking into the local shops.
Also remember that UAE_guy is not using his first language, so may not come accross clearly. |
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05/15/2006 10:14:11 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by Kaizer:
Guys, hold on a bit.
Just for interest, the UAE (United Arab Emerates) is a shopping mecca and actively marketed as such, and prices there are really really cheap, and there is a lit of money around. I know some people that fly up to Dubai, just for a couple of days shopping. If I ever wanted a 1D, which incidently are hugely expensive here on the southern tip of Africa, the UAE is where I would go. Prob with flights, purchase of 1D etc, it would prob be cheaper for me than walking into the local shops.
Also remember that UAE_guy is not using his first language, so may not come accross clearly. |
Right, i am arabic and i don't understand english alot.
I think in my first thread i wrote that i got some lenses so what i need another lenses or missing, then people here advice me to get rid of most of it and keep only 2 or 3 lenses and not upgrade anymore. I am sorry if i said that i will buy things and i don't care of your advice, but at least you should tell me some logically, here in UAE no one sell things even cheap and useless, just i can give it to a friend or my sister or my wife, but people here just asking me what a wrong decision i did when i got all that cheap lenses, ok i did a mistake, i don't want to fix it by get rid of most of my lenses, but i want an advice what to buy next thats all. I just told you i want to buy one or 2 lenses with one camera body, is that a big issue?
Anyway, people i am sorry for misunderstanding or ignore information, and that wrong that things is cheap here, i got a camera and lenses in much higher prices of the USA prices, for example: 1Ds Mark2 it costs here $8447 after discount, online with shipping not more than $7200, big difference, right? Now forget about Camera, i am here in this thread asked about future lenses [not my old lenses].
and Sorry again |
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05/15/2006 10:17:10 AM · #57 |
i didnt see a 600mm f4L in your list.
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05/15/2006 10:25:41 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by tngrndream:
i didnt see a 600mm f4L in your list. |
let's add 500mm firsth then i will add 1200mm not 600mm
thank you for comment |
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05/15/2006 05:56:53 PM · #59 |
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05/15/2006 06:04:07 PM · #60 |
and incase you want to take a shot of some astronaut next time they land on the moon...
//www.buytelescopes.com/product.asp?t=201&pid=3783&m=
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05/15/2006 06:05:49 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
Originally posted by tngrndream:
i didnt see a 600mm f4L in your list. |
let's add 500mm firsth then i will add 1200mm not 600mm
thank you for comment |
Until now I've read this thread in a similar vain to my own lust for glass and more money than sense/ability). You can probably count Canon 1200mm owners on 2 hands (ok, and maybe a few extra fingers) I think they retail at around $90,000.
UAE_guy, chill a little, join our little part of the www, its cheap (sorry inexpensive to do so) and start posting images. I (for one) fully understand its not so much what you own but how you use it that turns an average fotog into a great one.
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05/15/2006 06:18:36 PM · #62 |
I think a 1Ds Mark II and an XT backup with the following lenses would be great.
8mm fish
100mm macro
16-35
24-70
70-200L IS
100-400L or Bigma
85mm f1.8 for indoor/dark portraits
TC if you are into TC's.
This would cover a great range.
Only thing I'd consider is waiting to see if 1Ds Mark II is updated soon like in August of this year as they did with the 1D Mark II.
If you print large, then 1Ds Mark II is the way togo. Accroding to Popular Photography, it outresolves 35mm film.
As for me, I wish I could get a 5D with a 16-35 for landscape and photojournalistic style shooting, 1DMarkIIN for sports and midrange stuff, and a 30D to really get the most out of my Bigma. I also wish I could change my 50mm f1.8 for a 50mm f1.4 from Zeiss, just for show.
Message edited by author 2006-05-15 18:26:05.
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05/16/2006 07:41:45 AM · #63 |
I will work with NASA better, free huge powerful telescope
thank you for your comment |
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05/16/2006 07:44:45 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
Originally posted by tngrndream:
i didnt see a 600mm f4L in your list. |
let's add 500mm firsth then i will add 1200mm not 600mm
thank you for comment |
Until now I've read this thread in a similar vain to my own lust for glass and more money than sense/ability). You can probably count Canon 1200mm owners on 2 hands (ok, and maybe a few extra fingers) I think they retail at around $90,000.
UAE_guy, chill a little, join our little part of the www, its cheap (sorry inexpensive to do so) and start posting images. I (for one) fully understand its not so much what you own but how you use it that turns an average fotog into a great one. |
ok, I will never think of 1200mm even i got Billions of dollars.
I was looking to be a member and join, but that need some ways of paying and most of them are not possible, credit card i don't own and i don't want to own too, paypal not available in my country, so what else way to pay and join you.
Thank you for your reply |
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05/16/2006 07:49:04 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by yido:
I think a 1Ds Mark II and an XT backup with the following lenses would be great.
8mm fish
100mm macro
16-35
24-70
70-200L IS
100-400L or Bigma
85mm f1.8 for indoor/dark portraits
TC if you are into TC's.
This would cover a great range.
Only thing I'd consider is waiting to see if 1Ds Mark II is updated soon like in August of this year as they did with the 1D Mark II.
If you print large, then 1Ds Mark II is the way togo. Accroding to Popular Photography, it outresolves 35mm film.
As for me, I wish I could get a 5D with a 16-35 for landscape and photojournalistic style shooting, 1DMarkIIN for sports and midrange stuff, and a 30D to really get the most out of my Bigma. I also wish I could change my 50mm f1.8 for a 50mm f1.4 from Zeiss, just for show. |
thank you very much for your opinionm you are so great and i respect you.
you are right, with those tools i think i will cover a good range and it will be enough for long time, but i want to ask: what is TC? if it is a teleconverter so i got an Extender is it the same?
I got 50mm f1.8 II, should i change it with 50mm f1.4 or it will be not big different, i know f1.4 got USM and more f-stop, is it worth alot to change? |
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05/16/2006 08:07:12 AM · #66 |
DOn't be misled by some of the glass snobs out there. Sigma and Tamron make some very nice glass.
The sigma 12-24 and tamron 17-35 are very nice lenses, as good as or perhaps better than the canon equivalents.
If you want to upgrade to better glass, you can not use (or sell, trade in, etc) your canon 18-55. You have other glass at the wider end of that anyway and the 24-70 covers the middle, the soon to get 70-200 2.8 will take care of the bigger end. The Sigma 70-300 won't get used after you get the 70-200. get a 1.4x TC as you'll use that.
the 50 1.8 is good for the money, but if you have the money the canon 50 1.4 is better.
If you like shooting wildlife and birds a 400 or 500 lens would be nice. Canon made a 500 F4 that is wonderful.
If you go to a full frame camera, and there is no hard evidence this is the right thing to do, then the canon 16-35 is nice (the 17-40 is good but a stop slower). You won't need the sigma 12-24.
The 24-105 f4 IS is a nice lens as well.
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05/16/2006 08:21:50 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
I was looking to be a member and join, but that need some ways of paying and most of them are not possible, credit card i don't own and i don't want to own too, paypal not available in my country, so what else way to pay and join you.
Thank you for your reply |
This thread answers your question.
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05/16/2006 08:31:31 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
DOn't be misled by some of the glass snobs out there. Sigma and Tamron make some very nice glass.
The sigma 12-24 and tamron 17-35 are very nice lenses, as good as or perhaps better than the canon equivalents.
If you want to upgrade to better glass, you can not use (or sell, trade in, etc) your canon 18-55. You have other glass at the wider end of that anyway and the 24-70 covers the middle, the soon to get 70-200 2.8 will take care of the bigger end. The Sigma 70-300 won't get used after you get the 70-200. get a 1.4x TC as you'll use that.
the 50 1.8 is good for the money, but if you have the money the canon 50 1.4 is better.
If you like shooting wildlife and birds a 400 or 500 lens would be nice. Canon made a 500 F4 that is wonderful.
If you go to a full frame camera, and there is no hard evidence this is the right thing to do, then the canon 16-35 is nice (the 17-40 is good but a stop slower). You won't need the sigma 12-24.
The 24-105 f4 IS is a nice lens as well. |
You are so perfect.
I didn't try tamron but my sigma 12-24 is nice, i took nice shots with it in Lebanon, thank for it.
24-70 is great lens indeed, and with 70-200 i will cover more, and i will buy 1.4x TC as you said and many recommend it over 2X.
I didn't try 50mm 1.4 but i am sure it will be better than 50mm 1.8, i will think of it but i will decide on that later, it is not expensive.
with 70-200mm i will not use sigma 70-300, but some of my friends asked alot about it, so i will give them as borrow to try.
about lens 16-35 and 17-40, i know both are nice lenses but i will go with 16-35 more as you said with more stop, and it is good with 24-70 and 70-200.
about primes 400 or 500, it is difficult to find a wildlife here, i like that but here no wildlife, only birds, will 70-200 enough for bird and if i can use 1.4 TC with it? if not then i am looking at one prime lenses but later.
24-105 f4 IS is nice, but i don't think thaht it worth beside 24-70 and 70-200, but i will read about it and see.
Thank you very much for your reply, i appreciate and respect you very much, and sorry if this thread going crazy in some points. I will ask you or send you messages if i need some information. |
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05/16/2006 08:32:55 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
I was looking to be a member and join, but that need some ways of paying and most of them are not possible, credit card i don't own and i don't want to own too, paypal not available in my country, so what else way to pay and join you.
Thank you for your reply |
This thread answers your question. |
thank you very much, that thread is mine but i forgot about it.
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05/16/2006 11:05:14 AM · #70 |
The 50 f1.8 is pretty sharp lens, but not wide open per photozone.de. The f1.4 version is better. The f1.8 also has 5 aperature blades and makes for ugly bokeh. Also it's built like a cheap toy. Is the f1.4 wotth about 4x more than the f1.8? That's a personal question. Seeing as I rarely use the 50mm focal length, a cheap $80 lens is just fine for my needs.
If I get another one to replace the 50mm f1.8, most likely, I'll use it for indoor portraits and pick a Zeiss 50mm f1.4 ZF made for Nikons and use an adapter for EOS. Just b/c I want a Zeiss lens, but I'm just thinking. I've no plans to buy the lens unless I find $500 on the street or something.
This is a nice head to head comparison of the Canon f1.8 vs f1.4 version. Once again the biggest differnce seems to be in contrast, build quality, color, bokeh, rather than absolute sharpness between consumer and higer grade lenses.
//www.photo.net/equipment/canon/ef50/
By TC's I'm talking about Teleconverters. I believe extension tubes are a different thing.
Message edited by author 2006-05-16 11:12:06.
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05/16/2006 06:04:21 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by yido:
The 50 f1.8 is pretty sharp lens, but not wide open per photozone.de. The f1.4 version is better. The f1.8 also has 5 aperature blades and makes for ugly bokeh. Also it's built like a cheap toy. Is the f1.4 wotth about 4x more than the f1.8? That's a personal question. Seeing as I rarely use the 50mm focal length, a cheap $80 lens is just fine for my needs.
If I get another one to replace the 50mm f1.8, most likely, I'll use it for indoor portraits and pick a Zeiss 50mm f1.4 ZF made for Nikons and use an adapter for EOS. Just b/c I want a Zeiss lens, but I'm just thinking. I've no plans to buy the lens unless I find $500 on the street or something.
This is a nice head to head comparison of the Canon f1.8 vs f1.4 version. Once again the biggest differnce seems to be in contrast, build quality, color, bokeh, rather than absolute sharpness between consumer and higer grade lenses.
//www.photo.net/equipment/canon/ef50/
By TC's I'm talking about Teleconverters. I believe extension tubes are a different thing. |
just i bought 50mm 1.8 without know about 50mm 1.4 and it was cheap, i will get 50mm 1.4 soon anytime when it will be available after i ordered.
about TC's, i said extender not extension, extensions used for macro lenses mostly to get more close up magnificant, extender is an adapter between camera and telephoto or zoom lenses to get more focal length, so i think Extenders are teleconverters |
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05/16/2006 06:36:39 PM · #72 |
Actually, unless you intend on using the 50mm prime lens alot, I would not get the f1.4 version of it.
If you are happy with the Sigma 12-24 and Sigma 17-35, hold off on the Canon 16-35L unless you are finding that the shots are not sharp enough or you find yourself neededing f2.8 at the 16-35mm focal lenghts.
If you already have a 2X TC, hold off on the 1.4 TC unless you find that the 2x TC makes the lens too slow or degrades image too much.
Get real comfortable with your lenses and what they can do and all their quirks in the design. All of your lenses are a bit difference. The Sigma 12-24 should be sharp once it hits f8, if you don't use/need wider aperature, you don't need a 16-35 f2.8.
If you find that using the 2X TC gives you enough range without degrading the optics too much, don't get a 1.4TC.
I would consider getting the 70-200f 2.8 IS, since you really don't have any lens like that, but don't get lenses b/c they are the "best", composition and your use of light will make a much bigger and noticible difference than a "sharper" lens. Unless you find that the features/range of your current lens is limiting you photographically, don't change the lenses.
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05/17/2006 06:55:11 AM · #73 |
| Yido, i am still using most of my lenses, just when i feel to upgrade i will do. i will get 70-200 for sure, other lenses come later if needed, Sigma 17-35 is f2.8 and enough for a while, if i get more than f8 then it will be sharp in some points, i added 16-35 for my wish list and i will but lenses one by one as necesary. just lenses are so wide choices and you don't know what to buy, because in photography you can do one thing or you interested in many things day by day. |
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05/17/2006 02:51:23 PM · #74 |
Tell me about it. It's crazy.
I started with a kit lens and a 55-200, then a sigma 70-300, Canon 28-90, and Canon 28-135IS. Then I got rid of those lenses and started to collect the lenses I have now. So I guess it took me 5 lenses to learn what I want.
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05/19/2006 10:04:27 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by yido:
Tell me about it. It's crazy.
I started with a kit lens and a 55-200, then a sigma 70-300, Canon 28-90, and Canon 28-135IS. Then I got rid of those lenses and started to collect the lenses I have now. So I guess it took me 5 lenses to learn what I want. |
sometimes you start with cheap lenses and then upgrade to good one later.
A teacher in a course told us that sigma lenses are good enough and can be as a start, but i think i learnt enough and i think it is a time to upgrade with good expensive one later.
Thank you for your comment and reply, i finished my list of what i will buy later, Good luck. |
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