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05/03/2006 07:43:55 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by mpeters:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by yanko:
If there was a backlash that went on I wish it was against the tired old shots that continue to be submitted over and over for that guaranteed high score (i.e. glass/water/reflects, etc.) |
I hear that. The wine glass refraction shot has been cannibalized so badly that it has become an annoying cliche. Original thought definitely plays into my scoring. |
As a wine glass submitter i offer this insight(Ok, call it an opinion)
1. I had never tried to light a glass of any kind and found it a real challenge. So, for me, it was something new. cliche'd for sure, but i did acknowledge the cliche with my title. It was fun to try.
2. The voters were very kind with my entry IMO. The reflections were really bad but maybe the little goldfishy saved the day. As pleased as i was with the composition, i was equally unhappy with the lighting.
Bottom line. what i learned through this attempt, is that photographing glass is hard and the techniques to do it successfully, if learned, will serve a photog well for other product type shots. DPC is about learning(and competition).
BTW, This reply is just my perspective and not meant to discount the OP's assertion. I just needed to defend my fish(who has since passed over). :(
mark
Also, my recomendation for sweeps week is "The Office" Thursdays @9:30 |
I actually gave the goldfish a free pass, because it was self-aware and tongue-in-cheek. ;-)
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05/03/2006 07:57:41 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by rebs138:
Originally posted by mpeters:
Haha, you wouldnt believe the grilling i had to endure at the pet shop just to buy a .12 goldfish. When he asked about filtration and dechlorination, i think my eyes rolled back in my head. And to think i tried to buy the 2.25 version with big floppy fins :)
BTW, lest you think me cruel. I did try to keep the fish alive as my son really liked it. |
If it was only a .12 cent fish then it was a feeder fish. If you look at those things the wrong way they will die, so don't feel guilty. I wonder why the pet shop guy was lecturing you just to buy a feeder fish... strange. |
Thank you! I will sleep better tonight :)
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05/03/2006 08:21:34 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by idnic:
I love conspiracy theories! There was a 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll. |
Ah, hah!... I knew it. Isn't the second photographer that guy holding the umbrella they were never able to identify?
Message edited by author 2006-05-03 20:21:51.
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05/03/2006 10:07:41 PM · #29 |
A couple of notions to keep in mind when thinking about voting here at dpc -
There is a constant influx of new voters. People are registering at the rate of about (very rough estimate) 300 a week. I think these new users make up a very significant portion of the active voter pool. Afterall, voting is the easiest thing to do here, easier than commenting, easier than taking part in forums when you are not accustomed it; and for many, if not most, of them voting is easier than submitting a shot the first few times. These folks haven't seen the water drop & wine glass shots ad nauseum like those of us who have been here a while, so it's not cliche to them, and they are perhaps in awe of the skills needed to produce those shots as they cannot approach that level yet themselves.
I think that we are seeing a gradual decline in the number of votes being cast overall. This is disturbing because it gives even more weight to the erratic votes coming from the so-called trools, the backlash voters, the buddy voters, and all the others who are less than totally honest in their voting patterns.
I think it would be a very healthy thing for the site if we were able to turn this trend around by encouraging people, especially those who have been here for some time, to vote more than they do now. I think it's normal for people to let up on how much they vote after they have done a lot of it. We get tired of it. And we can find lots of reasons to not vote. How many times have we heard people say that they don't even try to get to 20% in the big challenges because they know they won't have enough time to vote on all the images? And how many times have we heard people say that they don't vote in challenges that they have entered? There is curently a lot of emphasis being put on encouraging more comments, including the recent Free Study's restricted entry, and that's good. Comments seem to be increasing and quality is not suffering too much. I'd like to see the same thing with voting. It would be wonderful if we could get (back?) to 300 votes per entry being the norm instead of being the exception.
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05/03/2006 11:19:17 PM · #30 |
Coolhar... voting IS NOT the easiest thing to do on here. After going through one large challenge voting, I was wiped out. And I've noticed that most of the challenges have even more entries now than they did when I voted in the one challenge I voted in. If there is anything affecting how many voters are particapating in the challenges, it's how long it takes to get through them to vote... and that's not counting how much longer it would take if a person leaves comments.
If the number of entries keep climbing, I suspect the number of votes is going to keep going down. Besides having too many things to do to take the time, it's hard to sit here long enough to get through enough at one time, even if I break it up into several different sessions.
So no, voting is not so easy.
Mike
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05/03/2006 11:24:39 PM · #31 |
Amazingly enough after every single challenge there is a post either like this or one that says "where did I go wrong in my challenge?"
There are so many varying tastes. That's the fun of it all! I don't think there is some DPC conspiracy that is giving Kiwiness and others all these ribbons. They're just good :)
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05/04/2006 03:11:39 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I think that we are seeing a gradual decline in the number of votes being cast overall. |
I agree at the individual level people are probably not getting to all of the entries like they have before. However if we are getting upwards to 300 new people each week then total votes should be on the rise not decline.
Message edited by author 2006-05-04 03:12:21.
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05/11/2006 01:11:15 PM · #33 |
I guess this post is dead, but in fear of redundancy of starting a new one, I'll bring it back to life...
I've been a member for about a month, and now I clearly see the cliche shots, etc. What REALLY bugs me though is not the fact that too many wine glass shots get high scores, but that too many amazing photos get 1's. I was just looking at the 4th, 5th, and 6th place winners in each challenge. Some of them had one or two 1s and 2s. Those scores kept them from winning ribbons. Because of the mathematics of it, if one troll leaves a 1 vote on an amazing photo, it becomes extremely difficult for that photo to recover to win a ribbon. In my 4 weeks of voting, I have yet to give out a 1, and I simply don't understand how anyone can do this.
Conspiracy theories:
Is it possible that a person who knows they might win goes around to all of the other great photos and gives them 1s?
What about the newbie who thinks a 1 is the best score, and 10 is the worst?
Do any votes get erased? |
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05/11/2006 01:22:13 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by yanko:
This is a photography web site. Lets promote creativity for a change! |
Hell Yeah!!!
I'm with you on that. There are too many entries that are formula top performers that are boring the piss out of me...great or not...who gives a "F".
I've been searching for something new to light my fire over the last few weeks and if anyone has any suggestions where...waterdrop, glass difraction, ladybug shots do not exist please point me in that direction (no offense).
Message edited by author 2006-05-11 14:16:47.
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05/11/2006 01:30:50 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by shaggy35:
Conspiracy theories:
Is it possible that a person who knows they might win goes around to all of the other great photos and gives them 1s?
What about the newbie who thinks a 1 is the best score, and 10 is the worst?
Do any votes get erased? |
There's a vote "scrubber" that removes votes that display clear patterns of vote swaying, trollery, etc.
If a newbie can't figure out that 1 means bad and 10 means good when it says BAD and GOOD on each voting scale, I'm not sure what more can be done.
If you're really interesting in answered to your conspiracy theories, I'd recommend checking out the forum archives. This topic has been discussed to death and back. Several times. |
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05/11/2006 01:40:25 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by yanko:
This is a photography web site. Lets promote creativity for a change! |
Hell Yeah!!!
I'm with you on that. There are too many entries that are formula top performers that are boring the piss out of me...great or not...who gives a "F".
I've been searching for something new to light my fire over the last few weeks and if anyone has any suggestions where...waterdrop, glass difraction, ladybug shots do not exist please point in that direction (no offense). |
Nice to hear this. I think we creativity hounds are in the minority here, but I still wonder why there haven't been more anti-cliche or out-of-the-box oriented challenges. I also wonder how many people would enter a scoreless challenge. That would separate the people addicted to competition from the people addicted to challenge-inspired shooting for its own sake. |
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