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05/07/2006 12:06:17 PM · #26 |
Despite of all things: 1Ds MKII is the most powerfull camera in this wolrd now. Tomorow it will be diferent or no. But who cares? If you are at top. I can dream with it. But US$10K here in my country is circa 73K of an average work wage. It´s not for me. But good luck to you.
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05/07/2006 12:11:16 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by deapee:
UAE guy, my main point is that a 1dsmkII and a wide array of consumer lenses will produce less quality shots than a 20d and pro glass would.
As far as there not being a difference between the 350 and the 20d, what is the difference between a 20d and a 5d? Do you just want something with a 36mm sensor? Because that certainly isn't the end all in photography, "full-frame" really isn't going to give you anything more than you already have.
It sounds like you've made up your mind already though, so just go get the 1dsmkII. |
Thats right, because i read all reviews about cameras and lenses and i think i know what i need regardless of what others think or suggest. just i was thinking why people not suggest 1ds markII if the money is not an issue, or am i wrong? |
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05/07/2006 12:19:31 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Chiqui:
If you could buy a second hand 1ds (NOT mk2) or a brand new 5D, which would you buy and why? The 1ds is about $500 cheaper. Just curious :)
June |
I'd buy the 5D. I don't need all the weather sealing, extra weight etc that the 1Ds has. The only thing that (for me) is in the 1Ds' favor is the 45 pt AF system. There are some areas where the 5D has an advantage too, like E-TTL II vs E-TTL I. Also important is warranty coverage, shoud something go wrong, a new 5D will be covered, a used 1Ds will not.
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05/07/2006 12:22:38 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
Originally posted by deapee:
UAE guy, my main point is that a 1dsmkII and a wide array of consumer lenses will produce less quality shots than a 20d and pro glass would.
As far as there not being a difference between the 350 and the 20d, what is the difference between a 20d and a 5d? Do you just want something with a 36mm sensor? Because that certainly isn't the end all in photography, "full-frame" really isn't going to give you anything more than you already have.
It sounds like you've made up your mind already though, so just go get the 1dsmkII. |
Thats right, because i read all reviews about cameras and lenses and i think i know what i need regardless of what others think or suggest. just i was thinking why people not suggest 1ds markII if the money is not an issue, or am i wrong? |
If you know what you need why bring ask about it here? Just go buy whatever it is you want and then amaze us with your work.
If money is not an issue, why not buy a Sinar view cam and put a Leaf digital back on it and a studio full of strobes?
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05/07/2006 12:24:08 PM · #30 |
| 1Ds is like carring a brick , Go for the 5d much lighter . Unless your work in the rain |
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05/07/2006 12:30:35 PM · #31 |
so interesting thread
I was thinking to buy a hasselblad or Mamiya, but most people adviced me to buy 1dsII or 5D, and i think i prefer to keep Canon side as i got some canon and sigma lenses.
And i got alot of opinions here too, very interesting. :-)
this is my email: thelove1980@hotmail.com, please any rebel xt owners can chat with me on messenger and sharing sometimes? |
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05/07/2006 12:38:03 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by GoodEnd:
Despite of all things: 1Ds MKII is the most powerfull camera in this wolrd now. Tomorow it will be diferent or no. But who cares? If you are at top. I can dream with it. But US$10K here in my country is circa 73K of an average work wage. It´s not for me. But good luck to you. |
why not? i am not so rich, and i don't think that you are poor as well. just some people got enough money but don't buy the top thing in something, for example the best PC or PC with most powerfull specifications. you know people, i am a member in arabic forum, do you imagine that still some people think of film very cheap cameras or cameras that is not about $200 - $500 even they have more than $2000.
Goodend, i agree with you that it is one of the top cameras and if you have its budgets why you don't go for it. Lenses are the same but the cameras are not. i challenge anyone to take a pic with the same lens with same settings but cameras are different and get the same result exactly, let's compare between 5D and 350D and see the results. |
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05/07/2006 12:42:23 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
Originally posted by GoodEnd:
Despite of all things: 1Ds MKII is the most powerfull camera in this wolrd now. Tomorow it will be diferent or no. But who cares? If you are at top. I can dream with it. But US$10K here in my country is circa 73K of an average work wage. It´s not for me. But good luck to you. |
why not? i am not so rich, and i don't think that you are poor as well. just some people got enough money but don't buy the top thing in something, for example the best PC or PC with most powerfull specifications. you know people, i am a member in arabic forum, do you imagine that still some people think of film very cheap cameras or cameras that is not about $200 - $500 even they have more than $2000.
Goodend, i agree with you that it is one of the top cameras and if you have its budgets why you don't go for it. Lenses are the same but the cameras are not. i challenge anyone to take a pic with the same lens with same settings but cameras are different and get the same result exactly, let's compare between 5D and 350D and see the results. |
So, are you saying that a picture taken with my Canon 24-70 L will look the same as a picture taken with my Sigma 24-135?
June
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05/07/2006 12:42:57 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
i challenge anyone to take a pic with the same lens with same settings but cameras are different and get the same result exactly, let's compare between 5D and 350D and see the results. |
If you used a 5d and a 350d, and a 75-300 f/4-5.6, I'd be willing to bet the results would be surprisingly similar.
If you used a 350d, a 70-200 f/2.8L at f/4 and 200mm...and then you used a 1dsmkII with a 75-300 f/4-5.6 at f/4 and 200mm, I can guarantee you'd have a better image from the rebel.
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05/07/2006 12:46:50 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Chiqui:
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
Originally posted by GoodEnd:
Despite of all things: 1Ds MKII is the most powerfull camera in this wolrd now. Tomorow it will be diferent or no. But who cares? If you are at top. I can dream with it. But US$10K here in my country is circa 73K of an average work wage. It´s not for me. But good luck to you. |
why not? i am not so rich, and i don't think that you are poor as well. just some people got enough money but don't buy the top thing in something, for example the best PC or PC with most powerfull specifications. you know people, i am a member in arabic forum, do you imagine that still some people think of film very cheap cameras or cameras that is not about $200 - $500 even they have more than $2000.
Goodend, i agree with you that it is one of the top cameras and if you have its budgets why you don't go for it. Lenses are the same but the cameras are not. i challenge anyone to take a pic with the same lens with same settings but cameras are different and get the same result exactly, let's compare between 5D and 350D and see the results. |
So, are you saying that a picture taken with my Canon 24-70 L will look the same as a picture taken with my Sigma 24-135?
June |
No |
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05/07/2006 12:47:03 PM · #36 |
| UAE_Guy, if you're interested in discussing the mkII, why don't you start your own thread that pertains to the subject and let Chiqui have her thread. Her original question didn't even involve this camera and you've kind of taken it over. |
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05/07/2006 12:51:33 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
i challenge anyone to take a pic with the same lens with same settings but cameras are different and get the same result exactly, let's compare between 5D and 350D and see the results. |
If you used a 5d and a 350d, and a 75-300 f/4-5.6, I'd be willing to bet the results would be surprisingly similar.
If you used a 350d, a 70-200 f/2.8L at f/4 and 200mm...and then you used a 1dsmkII with a 75-300 f/4-5.6 at f/4 and 200mm, I can guarantee you'd have a better image from the rebel. |
I don't think so, try again and see better way
i used a lens 24-70 on 350D and 20D with same settings and i saw some differences in quailty, 20D better. so what about 1ds then?
and i read that if you use high iso then for sure there is a big difference between 350D or 20D and 1ds or 5D. noise highr in 350D and 20D than 5D and 1ds, and there are more too, but if you talk in a size 640x480 then all cameras will be the same, and try to print pictures in a size A2 or A1 and see if there are no differences
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05/07/2006 12:54:55 PM · #38 |
Sorry people for these posting and questions, just we here think that westerners or non arabs are more experts than us, so we don't know if Canon powershot produce best pics better than 20D, i know it is possible but we think that the top is the best always. am i wrong?
i lik long discussion |
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05/07/2006 01:17:04 PM · #39 |
UAE Guy - this was June's discussion, please let her have it. Also, why do you keep talking about money? If everyone had so much of it they probably would buy better cameras. If you so fortunately have enough money then buy the best stuff, I'm not sure what else you are looking to get from people here. In the end the equipment doesn't matter that much. If you caught an amazing moment with a cheap lens and camera, no one is gonna really think its bad cuz it's just not quite as sharp or big.
Stop talking all about gear and go take some photos and let June get her questions answered. You are welcome to a discussion here but you should start your own thread and not take over someone elses.
June, My advice would be to get the 5D because it is lighter and has better images quality, unless you work outdoors a lot or do journalism work, then I might get the 1Ds simply because it could take more of a beating, but that is the only reason to justify it for me. I think the 45 af points on a camera that isnt really as much a sports camera is a bit overkill, you won't need that for portrait work. It could help for journalism but still isn't even all that necessary. |
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05/07/2006 05:04:24 PM · #40 |
Thank you all people for replies, and sorry for that, i really appreciate that from you all.
I benefit alot from your discussion, i can change my mind and buy something else, not necesary 1ds II or 5D, just i got alot of viewpoints and opinions, and each one of you has his own reasons, it could be money, or body of camera, or quality, or brand, or weight and so on.
just i asked alot or discuss much to get more information and background.
i took more than 20000 pics in just few months ago, as i didn't complete one year with my both cameras, and i will post some pics soon as i am busy in another arabics forum, just i don't override this thread, but i thought that my thread will not be most different than this one, as i will go to ask about 5D vs. 1ds II, so no big difference, No?
Thank you again and good luck
Message edited by author 2006-05-07 17:06:07. |
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05/07/2006 05:09:36 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Chiqui:
If you could buy a second hand 1ds (NOT mk2) or a brand new 5D, which would you buy and why? The 1ds is about $500 cheaper. Just curious :)
June |
5D no question, the quality of the files will be better than those of the 1Ds, some even say better than the 1Ds II (See the last paragraph...) |
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05/07/2006 05:12:26 PM · #42 |
The main talking point would be around the 5D being new and unused and you wouldnt know how much use the other has had.
Plus I got my 5D Last week and I havnt put it down yet, It is just
Fab.
Cheers.
Joe |
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05/07/2006 05:17:15 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by judojoe:
The main talking point would be around the 5D being new and unused and you wouldnt know how much use the other has had.
Plus I got my 5D Last week and I havnt put it down yet, It is just
Fab.
Cheers.
Joe |
... but still not updated your profile ;)
I'd say the 5d, technology has moved on since the 1ds was launched. That said, until recently the 1Ds was (arguably)the best dSLR in the world and is still a cam many peeps would kill for (well, want a lot).
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