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05/03/2006 10:46:34 PM · #101 |
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05/03/2006 11:06:32 PM · #102 |
Good work, Christian - I think you'll find it's a nifty experience. And by the way, AWESOME window shot.
OK, my comments are in and I welcome comments to my comments. :-)
A note to DanSig - yes, I wondered about the "literal representation of art" rule, too. I've entered a monument in the past as well. I'm pretty sure from reading previous threads that the rule was devised primarily to prevent people taking pictures of pictures for purposes of submission (ie a way to get around the date rule) or possible violations of copyright, like taking pictures of other people's pictures. I'm not sure memorials/monuments have "copyrights" even though many are considered art. I also think photographing it (a memorial or monument) in context of it's surroundings is valid. Hopefully this will be made clearer when the new rules are published.
Some very good submissions - enjoyed commenting on them and getting a chance to spend a bit more time than is usually available during voting!
Message edited by author 2006-05-03 23:07:37. |
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05/04/2006 05:57:48 AM · #103 |
I've been working 14 hour days this week. I'll comment as soon as I can get some time free.
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05/04/2006 09:38:45 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by Melethia: OK, my comments are in and I welcome comments to my comments. :-) |
I guess I want to ask why the literal interpretation of "negative" was so important to you, and others. Forgive me, I'm pretty new to DPC. The challenge was to take a photograph "that works well as a negative". The requirement didn't seem to be that the image had to be instantly recognizable as a negative, which, for me, doesn't work well. :) (See my comment on DanSig's picture.)
I suppose I'm answering my own question here by adding "for me": everyone's opinion and taste differs, and the interpretation of each challenge will be more strict for some, less so for others. I was kinda frustrated by this sort of comment, though, because I really thought my image "worked well as a negative", and did so because it was not instantly recognizable as such.
Now, if the photograph is crappy on its own, ok, that's an entirely different story. ;) I know this has likely been done to death in the forums, but for future reference, how literal is one to interpret the challenge description? I'd likely steer clear of a challenge like "Negative" if I had to, because frankly, I didn't care for any of the literal interpretations of "Negative", which is why all the abstract-feeling ones were very appealing to me (including yours, Melethia). |
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05/04/2006 10:48:58 AM · #105 |
I agree with you, Louis. Negatives are not my cup-o-tea. I think that the literal interpretation came from the line in the rules that it could be achieved through post-processing. Yours I liked. It still left pleasant image, even in its negative form. I have found when posting on this site, things need to be easily recognizable according to the challenge to score well. That's just DPC for you. And though it really pisses me off some days, I try to take it as a challenge. If I can produce an image that I really like AND get these DPCers to like it, I have achieved something. But that's just me.
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05/04/2006 02:27:24 PM · #106 |
Louis - yeah, I kinda interpreted it literally - I expected to see a negative that looked, well, negative. It actually paired well with the other open challenge if you think about it - a negative features the complementary colors of the positive. In that sense, I was trying to "read" the pictures in negative when I could. Yeah, I know that sounds weird - I'm not explaining it very well.
I do take into consideration whether a submission "meets the challenge" or not. Otherwise, everything would just be free studies. I like the fact that a challenge makes one seek out a shot for a certain reason. I'm not creatively-minded, so it's a good exercise for me. I do not, however, issue 1's, 2's, or 3's (and rarely 4's) for DNMC, and I've given high scores to ones that were nicely shoehorned into a challenge. :-) And by the way, yours didn't fall in the DNMC category for me - it was indeed a negative (and a very pleasing picture on it's own) but not a strong representation of "negative". Does that make sense? I also wasn't all that fond of those where the colors didn't register to me as the negative of what the natural colors would be. Looked more like "posterized" processing or just massive hue shifting or something. Pretty in some cases, but not really "negative". |
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05/04/2006 03:05:13 PM · #107 |
My wife and I knew that this negative challenge was gonna be a crap shoot. Noone really plays with these types of images and after looking at over 400 of them I don't care if I never see another. The fact that yours did not scream negative Louis didnt affect my scoring. It did have some basic negative qualities so I pretty much knew that it was. Unless a pic really, REALLY does not not fit the challenge criteria I don't knock it down. A really good shot can override a DNMC issue (unless it really doesnt fit - the baseball pic in the coffee shop challenge would be a good example).
On a final negative note - I really appreciate all your comments. Alot of good points that I wish I had prior to submitting. You stare at a pic for so long and the lesser qualities in the shot just kind of disappear in your mind. So hard to be objective on your own stuff, especially when its a technique that you never use. I think my focus was so much on the "trick" that I lost sight of everything else. Here is a side by side of the original and its invert with nothign done to it. I did bring out the blues more. The original invert had all blue but was too light. I needed to adjust it to bring out the original colors on my face in the mirror. And yes - I have no idea what I was thinking with the background I chose.

Message edited by author 2006-05-04 15:06:07. |
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05/04/2006 03:52:10 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by Melethia: Louis - yeah, I kinda interpreted it literally - I expected to see a negative that looked, well, negative. It actually paired well with the other open challenge if you think about it - a negative features the complementary colors of the positive. |
Yes, that's quite true. I never really thought of that.
Originally posted by Melethia: And by the way, yours didn't fall in the DNMC category for me - it was indeed a negative (and a very pleasing picture on it's own) but not a strong representation of "negative". Does that make sense? |
Indeed it does. Thanks for the follow-up, it's good to see where you're coming from.
Originally posted by timfythetoo: Noone really plays with these types of images and after looking at over 400 of them I don't care if I never see another. |
Boy, do I ever agree with that. :) |
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05/04/2006 08:58:59 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by Melethia: By all means, post outtakes. I think that can only help us decide why we pick which pictures to enter and maybe help us improve those selection skills. I'm pretty sure I should have entered a different picture in Photojournalism, but what the heck...
I have one in Negative Image and I'm VERY pleased with the score on that one, so comment only if you feel the need. :-) I'll probably post a thumb to the positive in the photographer's comments after the challenge closes. It was just "OK" as a positive, but pretty cool as a negative. |
I don't need a critique on this, I'm just curious if you think it would have done better or worse than the 4.4 I got in CCIII? In case you forgot, it's...
this one. I liked this and it was in the day after the challenge started. Cooked just for the challenge. But, at the last minute I decided it was horrible and pulled it. |
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05/04/2006 09:48:16 PM · #110 |
i think it would have done better. but probaby still around that 5 mark. i am learning it is not photographic quality that really counts, not that i am all that, but it seems there has to be some surreal quality to the image. a normal image is just that, a normal image.
i think ifn in order to win here you have to get a surreal quality to your image. nothing that is ordinary can acheiive anything at all.
my entry in the rhythms is most certainly proof of that.
i cannot wait to get the beating for that image. scoring really low and the photography, to me, looks good. i am very anxious to get that one into yalls hands so i can take my beating and find out why it is trash. lol.
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05/05/2006 08:17:34 PM · #111 |
Hi Kelli,
I much prefer the picture you did enter. I was apparently one of a few who liked the minimal touch of yellow with the variety of purples. I think that picture had a lot of good points to it and the potential to be even better. That, and I'm not a big fan of food pictures, probably because food is just, well, food. But that's a personal preference and doesn't by any means represent the overall views of others - some of whom probably really like food! :-)
Given that, I don't think the green of the pasta is "green" enough to complement the red, and the green of the background under the plate conflicts with the green of the pasta.
I think you picked the right one to enter. |
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05/06/2006 01:29:56 AM · #112 |
I agree with Melethia. I prefer the purple and yellow over the red and green (primarily because the green in the noodles is not green enough).
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05/07/2006 11:35:09 AM · #113 |
So...who's in Photojournalism?? Got a busy couple of days ahead but gonna try and finish commenting on those before the open challenges roll over. Its less intimidating if there's a list of who's got photos to critique, rather than having to open up tonnes of windows to see for myself.
I'm in btw, but I suck. Shouldn't have entered just for the sake of it.
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05/07/2006 11:57:10 AM · #114 |
Is there still a spot open? Been wanting to try give better comments and I need the comments on my own pics. Only entered 8 challenges though. Am I too late? |
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05/07/2006 11:57:49 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by kirsty_mcn:
I'm in btw, but I suck. Shouldn't have entered just for the sake of it. |
lol. that is great.
not in photojournalism but i did the 48h member challenge.
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05/07/2006 12:34:26 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by tngrndream: Originally posted by kirsty_mcn:
I'm in btw, but I suck. Shouldn't have entered just for the sake of it. |
lol. that is great.
not in photojournalism but i did the 48h member challenge. |
oooh, forgot about that one - with everyone being so kind with their comments, I had no chance of catching up in order to enter.
OK, then. Who's in photojournalism or Free Study XI then?? apart from tngrndream?
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05/07/2006 12:35:55 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by Oddfrog: Is there still a spot open? Been wanting to try give better comments and I need the comments on my own pics. Only entered 8 challenges though. Am I too late? |
try here:
critique trading post, marque II
think they have a couple of spaces
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05/07/2006 01:23:57 PM · #118 |
I'm in photojournalism. And it's a good thing, too. My photo is so bad it's comical... Everyone needs a good laugh now and then. : )
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05/07/2006 01:31:18 PM · #119 |
I am in photojournalism as well - my score is sitting at 5.9. Getting some good critiques alredy in that one.
Hopefully you guys will get to critique a ribbon winner after Tuesday. My rhythm entry opened Wed morning at an even 6.000 after 45 votes. Has basically just been going up ever since. Whooh hooh!!! Cant wait til Tuesday night! |
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05/07/2006 01:58:21 PM · #120 |
so far:
photojournalism
timfythetoo
chalice
kirsty_mcn (me)
melethia
invitational free study
tngrndream
melethia
..any other takers??
Message edited by author 2006-05-07 14:23:45.
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05/07/2006 02:10:26 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo: Hopefully you guys will get to critique a ribbon winner after Tuesday. My rhythm entry opened Wed morning at an even 6.000 after 45 votes. Has basically just been going up ever since. Whooh hooh!!! Cant wait til Tuesday night! |
um.... you mean you are gonna teach us how you did it????? lol.
i hope all goes well and you get your ribbon. good luck dude
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05/07/2006 02:18:27 PM · #122 |
I'm in photojournalism (and it sucks according to the voters) and Free Study (which doesn't suck but ain't in timfythetoo-land, either). If you only wish to comment on one (and that's fine by me) comment on the lack of worthiness of my photojournalism shot. It's not a piece of art, but I thought it marginally interesting. :-) I'll post outtakes in my portfolio from that same excursion. I figure one or two of them might have fared a bit better.
I like my Free Study, have lots of good comments on it so far, and it's getting a 5.9, so comment on it only if you feel compelled to do so. (Yes, I think a 5.9 is quite good - I realize that for some, that's below average, but eh - it's good for me!) |
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05/07/2006 02:26:24 PM · #123 |
I still plan on commenting on all the entries (just glad there arent any more of those 4 possible entries in one week weeks). Again - this experiment has been great. My own comments in general have gotten more descriptive (to those outside our group) and the comments from everyone here have been helping me look at my pics from a different perspective. Which leads to me being a little bit pickier when it comes to my next entry. I am considering joining the critique club just to throw a couple more critiques out there. I am just enjoying this alot everyone. Thank you. |
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05/07/2006 02:28:48 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by tngrndream:
um.... you mean you are gonna teach us how you did it????? |
I used a secret mind technique to sway everyone who looked at my pic to vote it a 6 or higher. Surprisingly it has only worked ona couple of entries. I still need to tweak it a little bit more. |
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05/07/2006 02:41:53 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo: Originally posted by tngrndream:
um.... you mean you are gonna teach us how you did it????? |
I used a secret mind technique to sway everyone who looked at my pic to vote it a 6 or higher. Surprisingly it has only worked ona couple of entries. I still need to tweak it a little bit more. |
lol. that is funny stuff.
did you get that book at the nearest wal-mart? cause they use that to have people by subpar goods. lol.
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