Chucked out in the cold! - DPChallenge Forums

03/12/2003 03:57:12 PM · #1

I have a email from "drew" telling me unless I submit my original (which I don't have) and my exif data (I've been to my doctor and he says I don't have this condition) I'm disqualified. My picture was ----------------- and as far as I understand the rules its as legal as Ally Mcbeal. Thanks for ruining my enjoyment of this site.

Message edited by ClubJuggle - Removed title of current submission from message.

03/12/2003 04:08:17 PM · #2

Martin,

I certainly understand your frustration. As site council, however, we have a responsibility to all the users on this site to check out any photographs where a voter has requested disqualification. In many cases, we can do this totally "behind the scenes." In others, the only way we can determine whether the rules were followed is to start with the actual file that came off the camera. That is why the challenge rules contain the following:

"If the validity of your submitted photograph comes into question, you may be asked to submit your original, unmodified photograph and steps to recreate your submitted photograph from your original photograph. This original photograph must contain valid, unaltered EXIF data. If you are unable to produce your original photo under these circumstances, your photograph will be disqualified."

As for the EXIF data, the file that came off your camera (before you did any editing) is what Drew is asking for. If you don't have that file, then we cannot validate the photo, and would have no choice but to disqualify in fairness to all users.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

-Terry

03/12/2003 04:11:13 PM · #3

Not allowed to name the picture eh! Well the title was a parody of a song by simon & garfunkle, it was a sepia tone showing a crumbling structure over the English sea. It was also doing very nicely in the scoring. I think it will be disqualified because all the tossers with the $5000 cameras are pissed of that british amatuer with a low end camera can come up with a half decent shot and not submit some shot of a road bridge or other such mind numbing twaddle.

Jak

03/12/2003 04:22:26 PM · #4

Martin, what is your problem? Submit the original to the Admins (as we all do from time to time) and the matter will be cleared up. This only becomes a problem when you don't have the original to submit, or the original will prove that the picture was not legal. If you are sure that neither of these is the case, I don't see what you are complaining about?

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

03/12/2003 04:31:19 PM · #5

I dont have the original, I always save over the original and I dont have the disc space to store the amount of pictures I adjust. I am also unsure as to how to retrieve the exif data and if my camera supports this at all. Thats my problem Jak. Anyway, this isn't a discussion, I am merely letting the site know how I feel so don't bother with your stupid comments.

kosmikkreeper

Nikon D300s

03/12/2003 04:36:43 PM · #6

Derogatory comments are not of the order here on DPC Martin. Please treat people with respect. Grow up or leave this site. We're here to have fun. :-)

Originally posted by Martin:

KarenB

Canon EOS-70D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

03/12/2003 04:38:47 PM · #7

Martin, this is an unfortunate response.
It is also unfortunate that you don't have the disc space. Do you mean on your camera, or on your computer hard drive? Either way there are ways around it.
If you would like, I and/or others here can make some suggestions for you that might help, and that might ease your frustration.

Message edited by author 2003-03-12 16:39:23.

03/12/2003 04:41:58 PM · #8

Thankyou, that would be nice.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

03/12/2003 04:43:05 PM · #9

Originally posted by Martin:

I would suggest you at least keep the original of the photo you submit, even if you overwrite the others to save disc space. You only need to store that one file for three weeks. If your camera does not capture the EXIF data you will not necessarily be DQ'd on that basis alone, if the original appears otherwise legal.

If you are using Windows get IrfanView -- it is a free program which can read the EXIF data.

LindaLee

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

03/12/2003 04:46:54 PM · #10

Originally posted by Martin:

... I think it will be disqualified because all the tossers with the $5000 cameras are pissed of that british amatuer with a low end camera can come up with a half decent shot and not submit some shot of a road bridge or other such mind numbing twaddle.

Martin, it does, indeed, sound like you are very frustrated, but please remember that while your submission is being voted on, NO ONE who is voting knows which photo is yours, or what type of camera took a photo - so the request for DQ is certainly not being directed at you personally.

KarenB

Canon EOS-70D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

03/12/2003 04:50:52 PM · #11

Good suggestion, GeneralE. I still don't understand, though, Martin, if you mean on your computer or your camera.

In camera.. I can only suggest you download all the images to process there rather than in camera.

That not sounding like the problem to me... I would suggest the following:

Do you have a CD burner? They are not so expensive anymore, and you can get an external one. ... or an external harddrive (USB connection) for that matter. There are also a number of free storage sites on the web that you can upload the images to as sort of a warehouse to extract from when you need them. This is cool, because you can then access your files from any computer anywhere in the world.

I had a 10GB harddrive. My 5MP camera files took up quite a bit of space compared to what I was used to with my first digicam. I had to constantly burn CD's to store the data to allow enough run space on my computer! I ended up with a new computer this winter, so that is solved.. but I still back up frequently.

Hope some of this helps.

So...even though you might feel cornered about your photo this week, just take one step at a time.

03/12/2003 04:59:50 PM · #12

Originally posted by Martin:

Martin, your camera does support EXIF, it is saved automatically, by default, with each image. The challenge rules require that you retain the unaltered original of your challenge entries. You checked the box indicated that you read and understood those rules when you submitted.

-Terry

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

03/12/2003 05:00:58 PM · #13

Originally posted by Martin:

Martin
I feel embarassed to be British reading your childish post above.
In what possible way can you construe this as an attack on a "british amateur" just because you didn't think to keep the original version (just for a few weeks) of the image you entered??
As if anyone even knows who took which photo, or cares, in any case!
If you'd posted with even half a nod to maturity I am sure you'd have garnered more sympathy but just lashing out at site council for doing their job is, frankly, quite pathetic.
Kavey

Message edited by author 2003-03-12 17:01:23.

03/12/2003 05:01:06 PM · #14

Originally posted by GeneralE:

If you are using Windows get IrfanView -- it is a free program which can read the EXIF data.

What version of IrfanView do you have? The one I use does not read EXIF. Maybe I need to update.

-Terry

03/12/2003 05:08:44 PM · #15

Originally posted by Martin:

Martin,

The person who made the DQ request would have no way of knowing which photo was whose (the competition is anonymous, which is why I removed the title from your original message -- we don't discuss entries in the forums while they are being voted on), or how it was scoring.

As to your assertion that it has to do with the type of camera you took it with, the person would not have known what type of camera you took it with. Also, I can point to a large number of entries that won with relatively low-end cameras. I, for one, am always happy to see this happen -- it shows the skill of the photographer can overcome the quality of the camera.

-Terry

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

03/12/2003 05:16:54 PM · #16

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

If you are using Windows get IrfanView -- it is a free program which can read the EXIF data.

What version of IrfanView do you have? The one I use does not read EXIF. Maybe I need to update.

-Terry

Says version 3.2. You have to first type a capital-I (to get INFO), then there's an additional button to display EXIF. Someone posted a link to the download recently, but we still can't search in the forums...

spiderman

Canon EOS-D60

03/12/2003 05:21:20 PM · #17

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

i'm using version 3.75

EXIF data, if available, will be found by selecting menu item IMAGE, then selecting item INFORMATION - a new window will pop up - if EXIF info is encoded, there will be a button on the bottom/left of the new window labeled "EXIF" - hit that button for all the goodies

some cameras might encode similar data as "IPTC info" --- irfanview would have the same button in the same place, except it would be labeled "IPTC"

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

03/12/2003 05:32:26 PM · #18

I think the IPTC info is also displayed if you make entries in Photoshop's "File Info" fields. I get that button for edited files where the EXIF data has been discarded.

KarenB

Canon EOS-70D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

03/12/2003 05:32:42 PM · #19

The other thing is.. if you overwrite your image file.. how are you to keep it in case you love it? Do you also overwrite it when you resize the image? Yikes! That is scary to me. You may end up only being able to print it out for a mouse.

spiderman

Canon EOS-D60

03/12/2003 05:32:49 PM · #20

Originally posted by GeneralE:

... Someone posted a link to the download recently, but we still can't search in the forums...

IRFANVIEW website --- free downloads

says the latest version is 3.80 --- i'm out-of-date!

Message edited by author 2003-03-12 17:35:20.