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04/23/2006 07:43:29 PM · #1 |
Hey is there someone here whos not entering the Complementary Colors III challeng and can critique my entery so i can get as high a scoure as possible? Got my friends cam for a day and am hoping to get my highest in this one and need someone to tell me if i coulde do any thing better :)
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04/23/2006 07:59:21 PM · #2 |
| The best advice I can give is take an image that you are proud of, and forget about scores. Do it for the love of the image not for points. |
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04/23/2006 08:02:08 PM · #3 |
read my profile:
If you are reading this and wish you had more comments on your current entry. Feel free to pm me the image ID or the title and I will give you an honest critique.
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04/23/2006 08:51:47 PM · #4 |
No problem in using a borrowed camera but if you get help in post processing is the entry truely yours? And if it gets you a new personal highest score ever, will you feel comfortable that you earned it? or will you have to share the credit? The time for getting critiques on challenge entry shots is during the challenges via comments, and after voting is finished.
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04/23/2006 08:59:52 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
No problem in using a borrowed camera but if you get help in post processing is the entry truely yours? And if it gets you a new personal highest score ever, will you feel comfortable that you earned it? or will you have to share the credit? The time for getting critiques on challenge entry shots is during the challenges via comments, and after voting is finished. |
She's asking for help from people that won't be competing, and wants advice and comments on how to improve. Is any image truly ours? I get help all the time, before, during *and* after challenges, and I can guarantee most people do. Some of us are here to learn and improve, and some of us wish to stick to principles that don't mean a thing to others.
To each their own. Enough pushing our views on those that don't share them |
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04/23/2006 09:06:59 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
No problem in using a borrowed camera but if you get help in post processing is the entry truely yours? And if it gets you a new personal highest score ever, will you feel comfortable that you earned it? or will you have to share the credit? The time for getting critiques on challenge entry shots is during the challenges via comments, and after voting is finished. |
I ask my girlfriend all the time...how does this look, how does this look. She has a good eye, and I trust her opinion.
I know for a fact I would not have at least one ribbon without her.
So, I think advise is good . I am not sure where you draw the line, but I think having peeps help you is a good thing.
Sometimes if you look at your own shots long enough you lose some perspective if its a great shot or just junk.
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04/23/2006 09:30:26 PM · #7 |
| The idea of getting help is just another way of saying help me learn... The way I see it anyway. Since I am new to photography there are area's that I don't know to look at or change. It's not that I can't it's I haven't learned them yet. When someone helps me, I know what to look at in the future and how to better it... Does that make sense? |
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04/23/2006 09:32:59 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
She's asking for help from people that won't be competing, ... |
Not quite the same thing as asking for advise from people who will not be voting.
Originally posted by Artyste:
I get help all the time, before, during *and* after challenges, and I can guarantee most people do. |
How do you know that "most people do"? I am sure some do, perhaps many, but I doubt that more than half do. Can you really guarantee that? or is it just wishful thinking in support of your view?
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04/23/2006 09:36:02 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Krisby:
Hey is there someone here whos not entering the Complementary Colors III challeng and can critique my entery |
I won't be and probably won't vote either so it shouldn't bother anyone if you would like my opinion. |
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04/23/2006 09:47:05 PM · #10 |
From the challenge rules (underline added for emphasis):
Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.
I'm sure many people on this site get some feedback from a family member or a friend or two. I would imagine most of that feedback is something like "which of these two do you like better", etc...
I'll admit, it does sound funny when help is being solicited from fellow DPC'rs. I have friends here at DPC that I've considered sending a shot to for feedback - but NEVER have because it just didn't feel right.
Just my opinion...
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04/23/2006 09:47:25 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
How do you know that "most people do"? I am sure some do, perhaps many, but I doubt that more than half do. Can you really guarantee that? or is it just wishful thinking in support of your view? |
I'm one of those that do. I have a few members here that I pass a submission by before I enter it, even if I am competing against them.
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04/23/2006 09:50:18 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Artyste:
She's asking for help from people that won't be competing, ... |
Not quite the same thing as asking for advise from people who will not be voting.
Originally posted by Artyste:
I get help all the time, before, during *and* after challenges, and I can guarantee most people do. |
How do you know that "most people do"? I am sure some do, perhaps many, but I doubt that more than half do. Can you really guarantee that? or is it just wishful thinking in support of your view? |
I can't guarantee it anymore than you could guarantee support for 'your' side. However, from everything I've read on this site from the time I began participating here.. *NOTHING* would suggest that more than a small handful of people, of whom you are the major voice, care *one* iota about people getting advice on entries from other people on this site.. as long as they aren't doing it out in the open for everyone to see.
Quite frankly, it gets a little tiring to hear the things you keep saying from one source only. |
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04/23/2006 09:56:24 PM · #13 |
Helping inexperienced photographers learn what they need to know to become more profocient in whatever niche of photography they desire is what this site is all about. But must we always, and totally, sacriface the "level playing field" of our challenges to that end? As Riggs has indicated, we each draw the line for ourselves. The OP seemed to be as much seeking a high score as seeking learning. If the goal is to learn, then soak up as much as you can, when and where you can, but keep in mind that that the challenges are a competition, and we are all on the Honor system to enter our own works. If the goal is a high score, and you need help to get a score as high as you want it to be, then go for it and get as much help as your conscience will allow you to accept and still be able to call it your own work.
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04/23/2006 09:59:23 PM · #14 |
I am currently having a hellish time trying to decide which of three choices to submit.
I briefly considered asking a few DPCers for help, but decided that was unethical. That's the way I feel about this - not only because of the help, but also because of the voting stage.
Personally I think help is super if it is of a general nature, like learning a particular technique, but NOT for an actual challenge entry.
So I'm back to asking my hubby and my kids, and drawing straws against myself. |
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04/23/2006 10:00:29 PM · #15 |
| Recent studies have shown that coin flips are far superior to straw draws. |
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04/23/2006 10:01:17 PM · #16 |
1,2,3 4 votes? Is it really gonna matter when 300+ strangers are voting on your image?
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04/23/2006 10:02:49 PM · #17 |
I can trust the people I get opinions from to be fair with my image if they vote on it.
It's that simple.
*EDIT* HOWEVER, I really don't mean this as an attack on people that feel the opposite. If you feel that it is unethical for yourself to get opinions on challenge entries.. all the power to you. Honest. I respect that.
Message edited by author 2006-04-23 22:07:45. |
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04/23/2006 10:03:48 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Recent studies have shown that coin flips are far superior to straw draws. |
thank you, thank you, thank you Techno - now I finally know what I have been doing wrong all this time!!!
Watch out ribbons, here I come! |
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04/23/2006 10:15:20 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm one of those that do. I have a few members here that I pass a submission by before I enter it, even if I am competing against them. |
Just my own personal opinion here Leroy, but I would submit that you, as a "15 year veteran of portrait photography and photojournalism", don't need the advise that some firends could offer on how to improve your photography; and that by circulating your potential entries you are doing a "trial baloon" thing, trying to weed out shots that might be a flop with the voters. You are more interested in getting good scores than in need of advise to master technique. To you the site is more of a playground than it is a classroom.
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04/23/2006 10:27:53 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
To you the site is more of a playground than it is a classroom. |
Well, maybe... but as you may see, I tend to do shots that are outside my range of expertise. I'm fairly new to digital photography as a medium, my post-process, IMO, sucks.
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04/23/2006 10:29:33 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
1,2,3 4 votes? Is it really gonna matter when 300+ strangers are voting on your image? |
Yes, it does matter. And no, we are not getting 300+ votes anymore. Here's a quote I have used twice recently -
Originally posted by coolhar:
There is no way to know for sure going into voting but by looking at the results you can answer that question accurately. Any place where the scores of two entries are fairly close a difference of a very small number of votes changed can determine, or overturn, the order fo finish.
I took a quick look at the Jump challenge and found:
For the blue ribbon to have been claimed by the second place finisher would require 2 people who voted the red ribbon shot a 5, and 2 more who voted it a 6 to change their 4 votes to 10.
The threshold for ribboning was even lower - persuadeing one voter who would have scored the 4th place shot as a 6 to raise their vote to an 8 would have copped the yellow ribbon.
To break into the top ten the 11th place image needed only to get one vote upped from a six to a 10.
So I would say that it takes getting only a very few voters, sometimes only a single person, to throw your image a ringer score to actually make a difference in the rankings. Kinda surprising even to me, but anyone can do the math for themself. |
People need to understand how much impact an individual vote can have.
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04/23/2006 11:41:16 PM · #22 |
| You still have time if you wish an honest critique before the challenge begins, please feel free to PM me for my email address. You can send me a copy of your image... |
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04/24/2006 07:09:14 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
The best advice I can give is take an image that you are proud of, and forget about scores. Do it for the love of the image not for points. |
Amen to that |
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04/24/2006 08:53:14 AM · #24 |
well.. what to say.. first of all mr.coolhar i am sorry if you do not like my way of bettering my photographi. I have read the roules and there is nothing that prohibids me to ask people opinion of my art pre or post challenges. I took theys photos, i set them up, i postprossesed them im just asking people to give me tips on what coulde go better, not asking them to postpro it for me!! I am here to learn, im here to have fun and most of all i am here to get better and to see that i am getting better i whant my score to go up and for that to happen i need help. My friends don't know anything about photographi, they don't even know that complementary colours are so there is no help in asking them. I am sure you have shown someone your submision befor a challeng and asked how they liked it, i have no one to ask.
To all you other people i have only one thing to say.. THANKE YOU.. your help means alot to me and if i were any good i would do the same for you guys.. I will send someoff you to photos if thats ok and if you coulde tell me what i could do better it would be fantastic :)
Thanks
Kristbjörg Una |
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04/24/2006 09:18:31 AM · #25 |
I'll offer up advice if you'd like.
I'm not voting or entering.
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