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 04/20/2006 07:59:59 AM · #1
//www.dpreview.com/news/0604/06042001sonyalphaslr.asp

It's not much, but it still makes me impossibly excited
 04/20/2006 09:02:41 AM · #2
Originally posted by MrXpress:
//www.dpreview.com/news/0604/06042001sonyalphaslr.asp

It's not much, but it still makes me impossibly excited


I really need a backup body, and am torn between a 5D and waiting for the next 12MP Sony DSLR. I hope they get their act together soon!
 04/20/2006 09:24:26 AM · #3
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I really need a backup body, and am torn between a 5D and waiting for the next 12MP Sony DSLR. I hope they get their act together soon!

Considering that photography is your line of work, why not pick up the 5D for now (you can get the body only for around $500 now I think) and see what shakes out with Sony in the near future. Sell the 5D later.

I'm curious to see what Sony comes up with using the KM lens mount myself, but don't tell my wife! ;^)
 04/20/2006 09:41:02 AM · #4
Originally posted by glad2badad:
why not pick up the 5D for now (you can get the body only for around $500 now I think)

Do you mean...$1500?
 04/20/2006 09:43:21 AM · #5
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
why not pick up the 5D for now (you can get the body only for around $500 now I think)

Do you mean...$1500?


There are other cameras besides Canon. :P
 04/20/2006 09:56:06 AM · #6
Originally posted by dudephil:


There are other cameras besides Canon. :P


I don't see the word good in there, so I suppose that makes it an accurate statement 8D
 04/20/2006 10:40:16 AM · #7
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by dudephil:


There are other cameras besides Canon. :P


I don't see the word good in there, so I suppose that makes it an accurate statement 8D


Yeah, you might be right Prof....Doh - wait a second. Click your camera and check the top 5 scores for it: 7.21, 6.36, 5.97, 5.95, 5.90. Now click my camera. 7.29, 7.18, 7.03, 6.72, 6.72. :P
 04/20/2006 10:52:00 AM · #8
Wow, the 30d's been out for like a week and you're claiming the top 5 scores is a measure. The fact that that 7.21 is there so recently speaks pretty well of that camera (I'm a Canon boy if it's not obvious).

Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by dudephil:


There are other cameras besides Canon. :P


I don't see the word good in there, so I suppose that makes it an accurate statement 8D


Yeah, you might be right Prof....Doh - wait a second. Click your camera and check the top 5 scores for it: 7.21, 6.36, 5.97, 5.95, 5.90. Now click my camera. 7.29, 7.18 7.03, 6.72, 6.72. :P
04/20/2006 11:00:49 AM · #9
Anyhow, quibbling aside, we all know that KM cameras are very capable and very good. So is their glass.

I just wanted to pipe up by saying, we all knew that Sony was going to make this move, buying Konica Minolta was sort of like purchasing Park Place when they already have Boardwalk. It would be stupid of them to leave it alone without putting a hotel on it... It seems that they are getting things started this summer.

Ok, maybe Park Place and Boardwalk are a bad analogy, but Konica Minolta cameras really do offer some SERIOUS value for the money. Outside of their Drive modes and equivalent noise characteristics to similar Nikon bodies, they are pretty much the equal of any other cam out there.

Releasing a DSLR (or possibly 2, maybe one to update the 5d?) to compete in the 30D/D200 neck of the woods promises to put KM products back on the map in a serious way. With Sony at the helm, there might be a couple of loopholes missed, but coming from a different perspective will likely help tighten the ship up in a number of very good ways.

The only real drawback will be the stupid Sony Memory cards.
 04/20/2006 11:21:46 AM · #10
Originally posted by cresus:
Wow, the 30d's been out for like a week and you're claiming the top 5 scores is a measure. The fact that that 7.21 is there so recently speaks pretty well of that camera (I'm a Canon boy if it's not obvious).


I meant it all as a joke cresus so I hope you understand. But you are correct - it hasn't been out long and already has 60 owners on this site. Looks like Canon's brainwashing skills are unmatched :D

I think you made an excellent post eschelar. Many said that KM is dead and to sell our equipment and move on. Minolta was a pioneer in the auto focus SLR market and it would be a shame to see everything they did fall to the wayside. Looks like Sony is going to try to keep up by going with the Alpha mount lens. It will be interesting to see what they come up with in their new DSLR line.

And I dread the friggin sony cards as well.
 04/20/2006 11:40:30 AM · #11
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I really need a backup body, and am torn between a 5D and waiting for the next 12MP Sony DSLR. I hope they get their act together soon!

Considering that photography is your line of work, why not pick up the 5D for now (you can get the body only for around $500 now I think) and see what shakes out with Sony in the near future. Sell the 5D later.

I'm curious to see what Sony comes up with using the KM lens mount myself, but don't tell my wife! ;^)


Money's really tight right now... gig photography isn't the most lucrative profession!
 04/20/2006 11:40:36 AM · #12
I'm going to be jealous if Sony comes out with a high quality, minolta-mount Zeiss glass.

-Chad
 04/20/2006 12:26:27 PM · #13
I hate Sony with a passion. I was considering getting a Minolta dSLR until I heard that Sony had bought KM.
 04/20/2006 12:29:21 PM · #14
Originally posted by dudephil:
And I dread the friggin sony cards as well.


Actually, the last two high end pro-sumer cameras they came out with, the 828 and the R-1, both take CF as well as the stupid little memory stick. No reason to think a DSLR won't have the same capability.
 04/20/2006 12:30:55 PM · #15
how good are Zeiss glass anyway?

Im worried their DLSRs would require us to use the Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Duo Pro... (etc. etc.)

Im loyal to Canon haven't been disappointed at all.
 04/20/2006 01:12:13 PM · #16
I can't speak for "fancy" Zeiss glass, but I have a Sony P&S with a Zeiss lens--and it was the only thing on that camera that I didn't outgrow! My dad was always pretty surprised cause he has a Nikon D70, and my little Sony with Zeiss glass had really comparable optics. Now, granted, it's a little harder to measure because of some of the P&S limitations...but I never had any issue with sharpness!

I'll definitely be interested to see what's coming down the line! I know some people have issues with Sony, but they've always done right by me...so I'm pumped!
 04/20/2006 01:23:38 PM · #17
Yeah, I knew you were joking. I guess my response didn't come across silly. I've been staring through a microscope at my experiments that aren't working so my sense of humor isn't turned on.

Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by cresus:
Wow, the 30d's been out for like a week and you're claiming the top 5 scores is a measure. The fact that that 7.21 is there so recently speaks pretty well of that camera (I'm a Canon boy if it's not obvious).


I meant it all as a joke cresus so I hope you understand. But you are correct - it hasn't been out long and already has 60 owners on this site. Looks like Canon's brainwashing skills are unmatched :D

I think you made an excellent post eschelar. Many said that KM is dead and to sell our equipment and move on. Minolta was a pioneer in the auto focus SLR market and it would be a shame to see everything they did fall to the wayside. Looks like Sony is going to try to keep up by going with the Alpha mount lens. It will be interesting to see what they come up with in their new DSLR line.

And I dread the friggin sony cards as well.
04/20/2006 02:28:18 PM · #18
I'm really glad to see that Sony is leveraging what they bought. We need additional competition in the DSLR marketplace. That can only be good for the consumer. Given Sony's capability in sensor manufacturing and the Konica-Minolta platform, they can be a force to be reckoned with.
I don't think Sony will limit their cams to Memory Stick, that would be a poor choice for DSLRs. The fact that they put CF capability in the 828 is an indicator that they realize Memory Stick is not a complete answer.
I'm more worried about what they will do with RAW files. If they try to keep it proprietary and lock out 3rd party converter developers, it will hurt them, IMO. I'm not a fan of Sony in most things either, but I honestly wish them much success in this market.
 04/20/2006 02:43:39 PM · #19
Originally posted by kirbic:
I'm really glad to see that Sony is leveraging what they bought. We need additional competition in the DSLR marketplace. That can only be good for the consumer. Given Sony's capability in sensor manufacturing and the Konica-Minolta platform, they can be a force to be reckoned with.
I don't think Sony will limit their cams to Memory Stick, that would be a poor choice for DSLRs. The fact that they put CF capability in the 828 is an indicator that they realize Memory Stick is not a complete answer.
I'm more worried about what they will do with RAW files. If they try to keep it proprietary and lock out 3rd party converter developers, it will hurt them, IMO. I'm not a fan of Sony in most things either, but I honestly wish them much success in this market.


Sony has a great tradition of innovative hardware and but sadly also restrictive, invasive software. I share your hopes and fears!
 04/20/2006 03:28:26 PM · #20
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by MrXpress:
//www.dpreview.com/news/0604/06042001sonyalphaslr.asp

It's not much, but it still makes me impossibly excited


I really need a backup body, and am torn between a 5D and waiting for the next 12MP Sony DSLR. I hope they get their act together soon!


Hi Bob! I'm in the same boat. I'm waiting :) Although the price point on the 5d is hard to ignore, I still would rather upgrade from my 7D.
 04/20/2006 05:03:32 PM · #21
Originally posted by kirbic:
....If they try to keep it proprietary and lock out 3rd party converter developers, it will hurt them, IMO. I'm not a fan of Sony in most things either, but I honestly wish them much success in this market.


Sony - Do something like that never; Next you will be accusing them of installing worms on your computer :-))

I agree that another serious compeditor in the dSLR market would be a very good thing. I am not sure I would trust Sony very far but realistically it's about picking the best hardware for your needs first and limiting the other stuff (none of them are out there for my benefit).

I don't understand this push to hide RAW formats from Adobe (ok and others) because none of the manafacturers are setting the world on fire with their own software - far from it. It would see obvious that proprietary formats would hurt them but the control seems more important - maybe that is the right call for them.
 04/20/2006 05:41:35 PM · #22
Oh my...if this new DSLR doesn't use CF - I will have to leave. Are there any other DSLR's that use memory sticks? I just remembered a few years ago when our Facilities manager was taking photos with some big Sony that saved the pictures to a floppy!! Eeewwww.
 04/20/2006 06:07:15 PM · #23
Originally posted by joanns:
Oh my...if this new DSLR doesn't use CF - I will have to leave. Are there any other DSLR's that use memory sticks? I just remembered a few years ago when our Facilities manager was taking photos with some big Sony that saved the pictures to a floppy!! Eeewwww.


I don't think it'll be too big of an issue. Sony is dumb, but they're not entirely stupid, and I think they recognize that people will simply not be that interested in a DSLR that only uses memory stick. They've acknowledged this by having both MS + CF slots in their DSC-F828 and DSC-R1 prosumers.
 04/20/2006 09:41:23 PM · #24
I am going to sit and wait after they come out with their first dslr. Bugs needs to be worked out in the first few models. I nearly snatched up an Olympus E-volt when it first came out, because I have always had a penchant for Olympus, but after seeing some of the resolutions taken by e-volts on this site, I am now glad I didn't. So when I finally get a dslr, I am hoping I can stay with Sony, to match my current H1 model. I have had pretty good luck with the H1 and I also have a Sony handycam which has been really good too.
Can you explain what a CF is?
 04/20/2006 09:46:48 PM · #25
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
I am going to sit and wait after they come out with their first dslr. Bugs needs to be worked out in the first few models. I nearly snatched up an Olympus E-volt when it first came out, because I have always had a penchant for Olympus, but after seeing some of the resolutions taken by e-volts on this site, I am now glad I didn't. So when I finally get a dslr, I am hoping I can stay with Sony, to match my current H1 model. I have had pretty good luck with the H1 and I also have a Sony handycam which has been really good too.
Can you explain what a CF is?


CF = CompactFlash card, which is more or less the dominant form of memory storage with DSLRs.

Odds are likely that the first Sony DSLRs will be reworked KM DSLR's, which should be a safe bet, pending any rootkit issues, heh.
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